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Haifisch
Nov 12, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



Taco Defender

fizzymercy posted:

I work at an auto body and frame shop and I would just love to hear a single substantiated story about someone getting actually scammed at a legitimate auto shop. The thing is, everyone on earth thinks they're being suckered by their mechanic. Everyone isn't being scammed, that's stupid. Everyone thinks they're being scammed because cars are mysterious magic boxes that only break because all auto industry workers are dicks that want more money. We're not, we just took a lot of classes and also shoved our heads up the asses of so many cars we've earned your Ignorance Tax.
The key word there is "legitimate auto shop". A lot of people just go to a dealership for service or to Jiffy Lube-type places.

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Thanatosian
Apr 16, 2013

Angrier, Bitterer Man


Grimey Drawer

I keep seeing advertisements for diabetic dinners, hearing aids (usually "heavily discounted trials"), and stem cell treatments in the newspaper; they all look hella shady, what's the deal?

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007



Only olds buy newspapers now.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013





BiggerBoat posted:

Well, I posted one but I appreciate the post.

I think he means starting *now*. Plus, everyone knows those hidden camera ones on news programs are totally staged for *reasons*.

fizzymercury
Aug 18, 2011


Proteus Jones posted:

I think he means starting *now*. Plus, everyone knows those hidden camera ones on news programs are totally staged for *reasons*.

Nah I kinda skimmed the original post because it's just a loose story. Anecdotes are great and all (not being a dick, I mean that) but I'd like to see actual evidence. Or hear something other than "my aunt's best friend had a leaky steering doohickey and...". I never see that poo poo in person and there's not one single chance in hell that my methhead boss wouldn't scam people if he could.

e: I do mean at a legitimate mechanic's shop. Not a dealership or a JiffyAutoQuakerlube. Those frequently scam people for everything they can, I'll admit to that. Harley-Davidson is the closest thing you can get to an MLM on two wheels too.

fizzymercury fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Feb 7, 2018

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007



How would you define a 'legitimate' shop?

TheQuietWilds
Sep 8, 2009


The Lone Badger posted:

How would you define a 'legitimate' shop?

The ones that wouldn’t do that, obviously. Can you really, in TYOOL 2018, not spot an obvious no-true-Scotsman argument? Does someone really need to do a basic google to find a story of an independent mechanic ripping someone off? The local news having a slow day so they hidden camera bust a local mechanic is like border-lining on a trope.

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X


Yeah, the first rule of Tautology Club is the first rule of Tautology Club.

Shady mechanics are around but it's generally not hard to spot them though

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012



Predatory towing is common, but it usually doesn’t get this illegal.

Pilsner
Nov 23, 2002



fizzymercy posted:

I work at an auto body and frame shop and I would just love to hear a single substantiated story about someone getting actually scammed at a legitimate auto shop. The thing is, everyone on earth thinks they're being suckered by their mechanic. Everyone isn't being scammed, that's stupid. Everyone thinks they're being scammed because cars are mysterious magic boxes that only break because all auto industry workers are dicks that want more money. We're not, we just took a lot of classes and also shoved our heads up the asses of so many cars we've earned your Ignorance Tax.

Being a mechanic is a bullshit job but goddamn I get paid so well I honestly can't imagine having to scam someone for money. shame on IGA is right, buy Audels 5th edition and feel like a genius every time you smell burnt oil. It's amazing.

Since when does earning good money reduce the lust for a scammer to earn even more money? Assuming a mechanic is employed by a shop, he's not the one leading the potential scams; the owner of the shop is.

I don't have first hand experience getting scammed, since I repair my cars myself, but the internet and the real world is filled to the brim with mechanic scam stories. They are in a position of power, since most people cannot argue with them whether or not their brakes need replacement or if something is broken, and need their car fixed quickly, either to drive or pass inspection.

MightyJoe36
Dec 29, 2013

Cat Army


Proteus Jones posted:

Plus, everyone knows those hidden camera ones on news programs are totally staged for *reasons*.

Fruits of the sea
Dec 1, 2010



I'm in a city with a bike shop on every corner, and these car scams sound pretty familiar. Often it seems like mechanics choose the shady route out of convenience more so than actively trying to scam customers.

One upscale store replaced my inner tube with one three sizes too large. That's so much larger than the correct size that it had to be folded to even fit inside the tire. Clearly they didn't have the right part and just winged it, leading to my tube puncturing yet again 2 days later.

Replacing more expensive parts is a craphoot. Once when my chain broke, I shopped around only to discover that some mechanics would only offer to patch the chain (which is a temporary fix at best) while others would only replace the chain and the wheel drive entirely. Finally found a guy who was actually willing to explain the pros and cons of both and had him repair it. Gave me the impression that most mechanics prefer to do whatever they want, depending on the parts and time they have available.

If you break down in a spot where you don't have access to bike tools, there isn't much choice unfortunately.

Fruits of the sea fucked around with this message at 13:19 on Feb 7, 2018

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006



All this is just bog standard leveraging expert knowledge to bilk people who need your service but don't know the ins and outs themselves. I've personally seen it with gunsmiths and computer repair places and my landlord has some horror stories about contractors.

gently caress, you don't even need to be a real expert. It's the same mechanic that gets people to believe all the bullshit alternative medicine woo. Someone sounds convincing enough to make them believe they're an expert and they defer to them because they want to do what's best to fix their situation.

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness

Thanatosian posted:

I keep seeing advertisements for diabetic dinners, hearing aids (usually "heavily discounted trials"), and stem cell treatments in the newspaper; they all look hella shady, what's the deal?
The thing with hearing aids is that they're targeting old people and the sticker price on them is expensive as gently caress. So they only expect to sell at "heavily discounted" prices period (and still make a mint) and their preferred audience is often not that discerning.

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X


My ex is a short cute blonde who also knows her poo poo when it comes to cars. It was always both painful and hilarious how many mechanics would be relatively straight with me but would try to rip her off if she went into the shop alone. Extra hilarious because of the way she'd own them before leaving. She got car knowhow and zero tolerance for bullshit from her dad.

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013



Platystemon posted:

Predatory towing is common, but it usually doesn’t get this illegal.

Jfc, reading that thread gave me the urge to commit some illegal acts against that dry cleaner and towing company. I hope he rawdog barebacks those fuckers until they prolapse and bleed out, legally speaking.

peanut
Sep 9, 2007




Eric the Mauve posted:

My ex is a short cute blonde who also knows her poo poo when it comes to cars. It was always both painful and hilarious how many mechanics would be relatively straight with me but would try to rip her off if she went into the shop alone. Extra hilarious because of the way she'd own them before leaving. She got car knowhow and zero tolerance for bullshit from her dad.

https://youtu.be/zCQ-etiFyho

Inspector 34
Mar 9, 2009
DOES NOT RESPECT THE RUN

BUT THEY WILL



Les Schwab has got to be one of the worst since they'll even threaten to hold your car if you don't accept the recommended repairs, "for your own safety." They pulled this on me one time because I only wanted 2 tires instead of all 4.

They also tried this on my wife one time when she went in to get her tires rotated (I think). They told her that she needed all new brakes and that they couldn't let her leave without performing the maintenance. She had just replaced the pads on all 4 corners the previous weekend and everything else was in good working order.

Just asking for a manager seems to be enough to get them to pretend the tech is in deep poo poo for trying to scan you, I doubt they actually care though.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006



loving

I've got a throw-away facebook that I use to log in to random garbage that wants one. It's literally under "Bob Smith" and is attached to an equally disposable gmail account that I have forwarded to my main email.

I got an email today addressed to Bob Smith at that throw away gmail that began with this hilarious line:

quote:

Dear Bob,

We wish to suggest you to submit application for a absolutely legitimate home based opportunity in logistics.

An ABSOLUTELY LEGITIMATE opportunity.

mostlygray
Nov 1, 2012

BURY ME AS I LIVED, A FREE MAN ON THE CLUTCH


Pharmaskittle posted:

I would 100% buy van meat

I know I've mentioned it before, but van meat is the best. I've never seen two shadier guys in my life when they came to my house. White shag carpet rape van, home freezer plugged into an inverter running up to the cigarette lighter. The driver kept the van running while he was trying to get me to buy 10 lbs of meat for $75, $55, $35 depending on his rap.

I told him not interested, but he had a great rap so keep up the good work. I shook his hand, and he peeled out before his buddy even got the door shut all the way, made a U turn, and hauled rear end down the hill again.

5 stars, would not buy again but would like to say hi.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013





Van Meat is such a weird thing to me. I had literally never heard of it before this thread. All I've ever had offered to me were Van "Speakers*".



* - aka box with bricks in it.

mostlygray
Nov 1, 2012

BURY ME AS I LIVED, A FREE MAN ON THE CLUTCH


BiggerBoat posted:

Have we discussed mechanics and repair men in this thread?
...
Anyone got any shady auto repair stories?

I had a worn left rear brake pad that needed replacing. I went to Tires Plus because they were close and I'd been there before. The dude told me that I needed 4 pads, 4 rotors, and both rear calipers replaced. He "proved this to me" by showing me that the calipers were "frozen" by trying to press the piston in with his hands and it wouldn't move. He even had me try. He then explained that they are supposed to move freely. He quoted me ~$800 for the repair.

It didn't pass the smell test to me, so I took a trip up north to my home town mechanic. He replaced the rear pads and turned one of the rotors. He explained how the calipers work and how to measure run-out. I think he charged me $80. It was definitely less than $100. I've never paid for brake repairs since. It's not hard, I can do it myself.

When in doubt, you don't need new calipers. They'll just leave the old ones on and charge you the price for new.

HerStuddMuffin
Aug 10, 2014

YOSPOS


Proteus Jones posted:

Van Meat is such a weird thing to me. I had literally never heard of it before this thread. All I've ever had offered to me were Van "Speakers*".



* - aka box with bricks in it.
The van speaker scam is actually a speaker sale. As in, you do get the pair of speakers you paid for. The scam part is that you’re getting lovely speakers that are not nearly worth the price you paid for them, and not even close to their weight in bricks.

Hippie Hedgehog
Feb 19, 2007

Ever cuddled a hedgehog?

BiggerBoat posted:

My grandma had trouble with her AC once in her car and the dude said she needed a compressor and every other loving thing. I took it to a shop and turns out [...]

So one mechanic had one opinion and the other mechanic had another opinion... Which one is the scammer? I mean you don't need to assume he was being intentionally dishonest when it's equally attributable to incompetence.

About van meat, is it usually fake/mislabeled, or just stolen? I know shops here have a lot of meat shoplifted from them so I suppose it has to go somewhere.

Hippie Hedgehog fucked around with this message at 15:57 on Feb 8, 2018

SEKCobra
Feb 28, 2011


Hippie Hedgehog posted:

So one mechanic had one opinion and the other mechanic had another opinion... Which one is the scammer? I mean you don't need to assume he was being intentionally dishonest when it's equally attributable to incompetence.

About van meat, is it usually fake/mislabeled, or just stolen? I know shops here have a lot of meat shoplifted from them so I suppose it has to go somewhere.

Going to someone that claims to be a professional who is actually incompetent is a scam in itself.

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

Your brokebrain sin is absolved...go and shitpost no more!


Hippie Hedgehog posted:

About van meat, is it usually fake/mislabeled, or just stolen? I know shops here have a lot of meat shoplifted from them so I suppose it has to go somewhere.

a lot of times it's meat that is just really low quality, or past the sell-by date

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013



SEKCobra posted:

Going to someone that claims to be a professional who is actually incompetent is a scam in itself.

No, that's a free market.

Class Warcraft
Apr 27, 2006




My parents bought ground beef from a guy in a van once. It had shards of bone in it that I chipped my tooth on. Don't buy van meat.

occamsnailfile
Nov 4, 2007



zamtrios so lonely

Grimey Drawer

On that Scott Tucker guy from last page, apparently the whole family was into it and threw shady debt collection in for their shady lending practices. One obsessed and vengeful non-customer spent months tracking them down. It just sucks that it takes so much effort to turf these assholes.

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X


Class Warcraft posted:

My parents bought ground beef from a guy in a van once. It had shards of bone in it that I chipped my tooth on. Don't buy van meat.

Also it probably wasn't beef.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006



Not to mention that if you're going to get a food born illness from meat, ground meat is pretty much where it's at. I love a rare burger as much as the next guy, but there are good reasons why you only want to do that if the meat has been ground quite recently.

iajanus
Aug 17, 2004

#GOAT


Class Warcraft posted:

My parents bought ground beef from a guy in a van once. It had shards of bone in it that I chipped my tooth on. Don't buy van meat.

Considering mince is $6 a kilo at the shops I can't imagine how loving cheap it must be to make the van version attractive to buy.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

I'm sorry, everyone.

Hippie Hedgehog posted:

So one mechanic had one opinion and the other mechanic had another opinion... Which one is the scammer?

The one that can't tell the difference between a hose and a blast of freon from a brand new compressor? The one that saw a 72 year old lady drive in and lied to her loving face? That one. That one is the scammer.

A shot compressor is pretty easy to diagnose. So is an empty freon tank and a loose hose.

Lots of sensitive, defensive car repair men here lately.

It's really the same thing as taking advantage of old people who don't understand computers and a simple matter of upselling to the naive which, yeah, I find rather lovely and scammy.

Sorry my example was anecdotal. The shop in question was Goodyear to the guy that asked.

BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Feb 8, 2018

Pilsner
Nov 23, 2002



mostlygray posted:

I had a worn left rear brake pad that needed replacing. I went to Tires Plus because they were close and I'd been there before. The dude told me that I needed 4 pads, 4 rotors, and both rear calipers replaced. He "proved this to me" by showing me that the calipers were "frozen" by trying to press the piston in with his hands and it wouldn't move. He even had me try. He then explained that they are supposed to move freely. He quoted me ~$800 for the repair.
That is indeed bullshit. Brake caliper pistons have a thread in them (like a big screw), and to "push" back the pistons, necessary when installing brand new brake pads, you need to use a special tool to actually wind the pistons back into the caliper. This requires a LOT of force, and cannot be done by just squeezing them.

It is possible for calipers to be too worn, so the brakes "hang" (or are "frozen"), which wears brake pads and increases gasoline consumption, but this isn't somethign you can just demonstrate by trying to push them by hand.

Class Warcraft
Apr 27, 2006




iajanus posted:

Considering mince is $6 a kilo at the shops I can't imagine how loving cheap it must be to make the van version attractive to buy.

If there was a latin phrase for "cutting corners and then regretting it" it would be on my family's coat of arms.

Pilsner
Nov 23, 2002



Class Warcraft posted:

If there was a latin phrase for "cutting corners and then regretting it" it would be on my family's coat of arms.
Tell more stories!

Hippie Hedgehog
Feb 19, 2007

Ever cuddled a hedgehog?

BiggerBoat posted:

Lots of sensitive, defensive car repair men here lately.

Why would you assume I'm a car repair man? Because I pointed out that, based on your statement of events, it would be prudent to apply Hanlon's razor? (That's "do not attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence" so people don't have to google it.)
With the detail you just added, I'm willing to concede he was indeed dishonest so let's just stop assuming people's motives and move on with the thread, shall we?

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

I'm sorry, everyone.

Hippie Hedgehog posted:

Why would you assume I'm a car repair man? Because I pointed out that, based on your statement of events, it would be prudent to apply Hanlon's razor? (That's "do not attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence" so people don't have to google it.)
With the detail you just added, I'm willing to concede he was indeed dishonest so let's just stop assuming people's motives and move on with the thread, shall we?

ok.

I wasn't posting solely at you. Some guy last page got weird about the suggestion that car mechanics could ever be dishonest and another said the hidden video stuff was staged. So far in the thread I hadn't seen an Herbalife or Amway guy come in say "whoa, hold the gently caress on. I DO this for a living so back off" and it just struck me as odd.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013





BiggerBoat posted:


another said the hidden video stuff was staged.

poo poo, dude. I was being sarcastic.

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Class Warcraft posted:

My parents bought ground beef from a guy in a van once. It had shards of bone in it that I chipped my tooth on. Don't buy van meat.

Times like this make me wish I ate red meat, so I could appreciate how horrible this meat is.

There's no tofu equivalent to the 'Van Meat Guy'.

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