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Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

Your brokebrain sin is absolved...go and shitpost no more!


nah there are plenty of gross non-meat things you can eat and/or try to run a scam selling to people

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occamsnailfile
Nov 4, 2007



zamtrios so lonely

Grimey Drawer

colloidal silver and cordyceps shall cure all your ills

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

Your brokebrain sin is absolved...go and shitpost no more!


even just bad/rancid produce, poorly-produced non-meat products. there's a lot

Applesnots
Oct 22, 2010

MERRY YOBMAS



Pilsner posted:

That is indeed bullshit. Brake caliper pistons have a thread in them (like a big screw), and to "push" back the pistons, necessary when installing brand new brake pads, you need to use a special tool to actually wind the pistons back into the caliper. This requires a LOT of force, and cannot be done by just squeezing them.

It is possible for calipers to be too worn, so the brakes "hang" (or are "frozen"), which wears brake pads and increases gasoline consumption, but this isn't somethign you can just demonstrate by trying to push them by hand.

Huh? Brake calipers are pistons. You can use a c clamp to push them back in or you can use your hands. It takes a little while to do with your hands as it compresses slowly but it works.

Edit for content:
I used to buy van meat back when I worked at a tattoo shop. They would show up with brand new steaks right of the shelf. From what I gathered they bought them with food stamps and then sold them at a discount for cash. Whatever cheap steaks. They actually seemed to care about the dates and keeping the cold too, when I asked dude told me that he was always really careful because if anyone got sick off of his van meat then they would not buy from him again.

Applesnots fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Feb 9, 2018

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

Get into shit, let it out like diarrhea
Got burnt once, that was only gonorrhea




Brake pistons: It's both, sometimes on the same car. My 98 Accord has press-return pistons in the front but you have to turn the back ones bc they are threaded as described.

Applesnots
Oct 22, 2010

MERRY YOBMAS



shame on an IGA posted:

Brake pistons: It's both, sometimes on the same car. My 98 Accord has press-return pistons in the front but you have to turn the back ones bc they are threaded as described.

I had no idea, I have done brakes on a good dozen or so cars and have never seen this. I learned something new. Thanks!

Zodijackylite
Oct 18, 2005

hello bonjour, en francais we call the bread man l'homme de pain, because pain means bread and we're going to see a lot of pain this year and every nyrfan is looking forward to it and hey tony, can you wait until after my postgame interview to get on your phone? i thought you quit twitter...

I'm able to understand the appeal of most of these scams - they appeal to some urge to win now, get the better of a situation, or misrepresent what they're selling. I honestly can't figure out what urge could possibly make people buy meat from a van. I thought the instincts which prevent us from eating spoiled food would be stronger than the ice-cream-truck urge, but I guess not?

If van meat is stolen, it's not refrigerated and has probably been down someone's pants. It's a couple bucks cheaper, I guess?

If van meat is from a "legitimate" seller, then what makes it more appealing than going to a supermarket? Perhaps the only understandable answer is that not everyone has a car or easy access to a supermarket, but the logistics of that still don't make sense when you think about handing over $100 to someone with a fridge in their van.

If van meat is cheaper, which I don't think it is, could it really be that much cheaper than a store with it on sale? Is it that much cheaper than the cost of refrigeration? This isn't stolen speakers of Chinese catalog stuff, it's meat.

Could van meat have a similar appeal to moonshine, because gently caress "the man" and you want it direct? I don't think so, because this product isn't romanticized. Buying venison from the back of a hunter's truck, maybe, but boxes of industrial-packed steak from a van is more like a long-shot knockoff from a bargain store than a jar of moonshine.

Even if someone does buy meat from a van on impulse, what would motivate someone to be a repeat buyer? I can wrap my head around Amway and Mary Kay tactics, payday loans, and stolen electronics, but what kind of broken mind or depraved lunacy motivates buying meat from a van?!?!

Applesnots
Oct 22, 2010

MERRY YOBMAS



Big steaks, big life.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008


Zodijackylite posted:

I'm able to understand the appeal of most of these scams - they appeal to some urge to win now, get the better of a situation, or misrepresent what they're selling. I honestly can't figure out what urge could possibly make people buy meat from a van. I thought the instincts which prevent us from eating spoiled food would be stronger than the ice-cream-truck urge, but I guess not?

If van meat is stolen, it's not refrigerated and has probably been down someone's pants. It's a couple bucks cheaper, I guess?

If van meat is from a "legitimate" seller, then what makes it more appealing than going to a supermarket? Perhaps the only understandable answer is that not everyone has a car or easy access to a supermarket, but the logistics of that still don't make sense when you think about handing over $100 to someone with a fridge in their van.

If van meat is cheaper, which I don't think it is, could it really be that much cheaper than a store with it on sale? Is it that much cheaper than the cost of refrigeration? This isn't stolen speakers of Chinese catalog stuff, it's meat.

Could van meat have a similar appeal to moonshine, because gently caress "the man" and you want it direct? I don't think so, because this product isn't romanticized. Buying venison from the back of a hunter's truck, maybe, but boxes of industrial-packed steak from a van is more like a long-shot knockoff from a bargain store than a jar of moonshine.

Even if someone does buy meat from a van on impulse, what would motivate someone to be a repeat buyer? I can wrap my head around Amway and Mary Kay tactics, payday loans, and stolen electronics, but what kind of broken mind or depraved lunacy motivates buying meat from a van?!?!

Nice steaks are really expensive. They are trying to dupe most likely blue collar people blue collar people into thinking that these are really nice cuts that would cost a lot more if purchased retail. But they aren't. By the time you bite into that tough piece of meat they are gone.

JacquelineDempsey
Aug 6, 2008


Lutha Mahtin posted:

even just bad/rancid produce, poorly-produced non-meat products. there's a lot

I just took my first exam towards becoming a certified FDA canning process authority, and if there's one takeaway from that class I got right now, it's fuuuck canned mushrooms. I mean, gently caress em anyways because they have the taste and texture of pencil erasers, but they come up in case studies of botulism more than meat products.

Going back to car repair scams: I've got a few (pretty boring) stories of mechanics trying to fail my car's state inspections over the years with fake poo poo, including one quite similar to the caliper story. I forget the exact issue, but thankfully young dumb me called my car-savvy dad who said "uh, there's no way they'd know that without [details I don't recall], and they don't do that on inspections." This shop had a young woman with a sticker about to expire the next day, and was more than ready to take advantage of easy prey.

goatsestretchgoals
Jun 4, 2011

in soviet russia, you shove robot

Applesnots posted:

Huh? Brake calipers are pistons. You can use a c clamp to push them back in or you can use your hands. It takes a little while to do with your hands as it compresses slowly but it works.

Hayne's or Chilton's (or both?) recommend the C-clamp as a standard step for changing brake pads.

goatsestretchgoals
Jun 4, 2011

in soviet russia, you shove robot

Zodijackylite posted:

Even if someone does buy meat from a van on impulse, what would motivate someone to be a repeat buyer?

didn't die last time, also i want a steak

Qu Appelle
Nov 3, 2005

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Lutha Mahtin posted:

nah there are plenty of gross non-meat things you can eat and/or try to run a scam selling to people

Yeah but I just want to see people try to sell tofu from a truck.

Don Gato
Apr 28, 2013

Actually a bipedal cat.

Grimey Drawer

I never saw van meat in the wild, but I did find a guy selling van fish once in Bahía Kino. Sure that town is right on the gulf of california, but the desert literally runs right up to the beaches and the guy was the only guy not selling fish at the pier. Even as a dumb teenager I thought that was pretty sketchy (you could even say it smelled a bit fishy )

peanut
Sep 9, 2007




I bought mochi from a little old man skipping around the neighborhood with a shopping basket, it was very good and not bad.

Basically that "NO SALES except tamale lady" sign is my life.

peanut
Sep 9, 2007




I wish I had a tamale lady

Depressio111117
Oct 18, 2014

A whole world of imagination beyond the oompah band.

One office I used to work at had a woman show up at 10 AM every day and sell us breakfast burritos out of her Dodge Neon. They were good as hell.

Still wouldn’t buy van meat though.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008


peanut posted:

I wish I had a tamale lady

Don't you have sweet potato dude at least?

therobit
Aug 19, 2008


I have sure as poo poo bought van fish before and will do again. People with tribal fishing rights will bring the morning's catch into town and sell of out of a cooler. You just have to know what the fish should and should not look like and you are golden. It's fresher than store bought for sure. This is probably specific to a few places in the Pacific Northwest though.

peanut
Sep 9, 2007




Yeah we do get a sweet potato truck sometimes but it's never at a time when I want a sweet potato and the song is so loud they don't notice you half the time if you try to get their attention.
I've seen a sweet potato guy at a busy walk-through point saying Last few, almost sold out, first come first serve! to catch impulsive buyers, then bust out a whole new box when that crowd is gone.
I saw this happen because I was a sucker and bought one and immediately sat down to eat it across from the stand.

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

-=SEND HELP=-




Pillbug

Depressio111117 posted:

One office I used to work at had a woman show up at 10 AM every day and sell us breakfast burritos out of her Dodge Neon. They were good as hell.

Still wouldn’t buy van meat though.

Somebody like that is going for repeat business and is far less likely to be a scammer. The meat van is planning on never, ever seeing you again.

Neon Burrito Lady counts on that daily income and probably doesn't want to gently caress it up.

Pilsner
Nov 23, 2002



shame on an IGA posted:

Brake pistons: It's both, sometimes on the same car. My 98 Accord has press-return pistons in the front but you have to turn the back ones bc they are threaded as described.

You're right, they're not always threaded. My car's rear pistons are threaded because of the handbrake self-adjust mechanism, I believe. Can be a bitch and a half to wind them back.

MightyJoe36
Dec 29, 2013

Cat Army


Zodijackylite posted:

I'm able to understand the appeal of most of these scams - they appeal to some urge to win now, get the better of a situation, or misrepresent what they're selling. I honestly can't figure out what urge could possibly make people buy meat from a van.

Can't find it on YouTube right now, but there was a Seinfeld episode where he buys his dad one of those electronic organizers that at the time were really expensive. George tells him to tell his dad that he "got a deal" on it, and hint that it might be "hot." This really impresses the old man. "Look at this! Jerry got me a deal on it. It might even be stolen."

The thing that makes people buy Van Meat, Speakers, and other questionable stuff off a truck is the same thing that gets them to fall for stupid stuff like Nigerian scams - they want to think that they're smarter and/or a better negotiator than everybody else or they want to believe that they can get something for nothing.

People wonder why, in the year 2018, it's still almost impossible to buy a new car without going through a dealer and going through the whole "what would it take to put you in this car today" and "let me talk to my sales manager" bullshit. They tried the "no-haggle" car sales with Saturn in the 1990s and the company ended up folding.

The majority of car buyers want it that way. They want to go into a dealer and pretend that they're a great "horse trader" and then brag to their buddies how they out-negotiated the sales guy and "got a deal." Same thing with Van Meat.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS


MightyJoe36 posted:

Can't find it on YouTube right now, but there was a Seinfeld episode where he buys his dad one of those electronic organizers that at the time were really expensive. George tells him to tell his dad that he "got a deal" on it, and hint that it might be "hot." This really impresses the old man. "Look at this! Jerry got me a deal on it. It might even be stolen."

The thing that makes people buy Van Meat, Speakers, and other questionable stuff off a truck is the same thing that gets them to fall for stupid stuff like Nigerian scams - they want to think that they're smarter and/or a better negotiator than everybody else or they want to believe that they can get something for nothing.

People wonder why, in the year 2018, it's still almost impossible to buy a new car without going through a dealer and going through the whole "what would it take to put you in this car today" and "let me talk to my sales manager" bullshit. They tried the "no-haggle" car sales with Saturn in the 1990s and the company ended up folding.

The majority of car buyers want it that way. They want to go into a dealer and pretend that they're a great "horse trader" and then brag to their buddies how they out-negotiated the sales guy and "got a deal." Same thing with Van Meat.

Has the US got anything like the car supermarkets we have in the UK like AvailableCar? They have customer service and finance types that are on no commission, they don't haggle over sticker price and you basically wander their huge parking lot looking at the cars and then go back to the office to do a test drive. When you buy it the finance guy shows you their options but if you say you've got the funds already they just shrug and you're on your way. I've bought like three cars through them and one through a Ford dealership and I'd prefer to never go back to a dealership again after extra fees getting tacked on and aggressive sales pitches for finance and their "service plans".

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

I'm the babyliberal, gotta love me!


MightyJoe36 posted:

People wonder why, in the year 2018, it's still almost impossible to buy a new car without going through a dealer and going through the whole "what would it take to put you in this car today" and "let me talk to my sales manager" bullshit. They tried the "no-haggle" car sales with Saturn in the 1990s and the company ended up folding.

The majority of car buyers want it that way. They want to go into a dealer and pretend that they're a great "horse trader" and then brag to their buddies how they out-negotiated the sales guy and "got a deal." Same thing with Van Meat.

No, that's actually because regulations make the alternative impossible. Nobody likes buying cars this way.

greazeball
Feb 4, 2003





So long as people are motivated by feeling like they got a better deal than someone else, we're all going to get the worst deal that sellers can give us:

quote:

If the marketplace was a war between buyers and sellers, the 19th-century French sociologist Gabriel Tarde wrote, then price was a truce. And the practice of setting a fixed price for a good or a service—which took hold in the 1860s—meant, in effect, a cessation of the perpetual state of hostility known as haggling.

As in any truce, each party surrendered something in this bargain. Buyers were forced to accept, or not accept, the one price imposed by the price tag (an invention credited to the retail pioneer John Wanamaker). What retailers ceded—the ability to exploit customers’ varying willingness to pay—was arguably greater, as the extra money some people would have paid could no longer be captured as profit. But they made the bargain anyway, for a combination of moral and practical reasons.

The Quakers—including a New York merchant named Rowland H. Macy—had never believed in setting different prices for different people. Wanamaker, a Presbyterian operating in Quaker Philadelphia, opened his Grand Depot under the principle of “One price to all; no favoritism.” Other merchants saw the practical benefits of Macy’s and Wanamaker’s prix fixe policies. As they staffed up their new department stores, it was expensive to train hundreds of clerks in the art of haggling. Fixed prices offered a measure of predictability to bookkeeping, sped up the sales process, and made possible the proliferation of printed retail ads highlighting a given price for a given good.

Companies like General Motors found an up-front way of recovering some of the lost profit. In the 1920s, GM aligned its various car brands into a finely graduated price hierarchy: “Chevrolet for the hoi polloi,” Fortune magazine put it, “Pontiac … for the poor but proud, Oldsmobile for the comfortable but discreet, Buick for the striving, Cadillac for the rich.” The policy—“a car for every purse and purpose,” GM called it—was a means of customer sorting, but the customers did the sorting themselves. It kept the truce.

Customers, meanwhile, could recover some of their lost agency by clipping coupons—their chance to get a deal denied to casual shoppers. The new supermarket chains of the 1940s made coupons a staple of American life. What the big grocers knew—and what behavioral economists would later prove in detail—is that while consumers liked the assurance the truce afforded (that they would not be fleeced), they also retained the instinct to best their neighbors. They loved deals so much that, to make sense of their behavior, economists were forced to distinguish between two types of value: acquisition value (the perceived worth of a new car to the buyer) and transaction value (the feeling that one lost or won the negotiation at the dealership).

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/05/how-online-shopping-makes-suckers-of-us-all/521448/

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

I'm sorry, everyone.

Fil5000 posted:

Has the US got anything like the car supermarkets we have in the UK like AvailableCar?

CarMax is a lot like that here in the U.S.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006



MightyJoe36 posted:

Can't find it on YouTube right now, but there was a Seinfeld episode where he buys his dad one of those electronic organizers that at the time were really expensive. George tells him to tell his dad that he "got a deal" on it, and hint that it might be "hot." This really impresses the old man. "Look at this! Jerry got me a deal on it. It might even be stolen."

The thing that makes people buy Van Meat, Speakers, and other questionable stuff off a truck is the same thing that gets them to fall for stupid stuff like Nigerian scams - they want to think that they're smarter and/or a better negotiator than everybody else or they want to believe that they can get something for nothing.

People wonder why, in the year 2018, it's still almost impossible to buy a new car without going through a dealer and going through the whole "what would it take to put you in this car today" and "let me talk to my sales manager" bullshit. They tried the "no-haggle" car sales with Saturn in the 1990s and the company ended up folding.

The majority of car buyers want it that way. They want to go into a dealer and pretend that they're a great "horse trader" and then brag to their buddies how they out-negotiated the sales guy and "got a deal." Same thing with Van Meat.

This is one of those things that is running into stiff generational headwinds. People my dad's age seem to love that BS, but I've never met anyone under the age of 40 who saw going to the dealer as anything other than a burden.

Hippie Hedgehog
Feb 19, 2007

Ever cuddled a hedgehog?

MightyJoe36 posted:

The majority of car buyers want it that way. They want to go into a dealer and pretend that they're a great "horse trader" and then brag to their buddies how they out-negotiated the sales guy and "got a deal." Same thing with Van Meat.

Absurd Alhazred posted:

No, that's actually because regulations make the alternative impossible. Nobody likes buying cars this way.

You're both forgetting that people are different. Some people are extroverts and like to haggle, some are introverts and hate it, some people are in between. Some people want control of the price, even if it's just the illusion of control, while some prefer to be offered a set price and either accept or reject it, and yet others' preference will vary according to the situation.

The US legal demand for car dealership seems weird, it must serve only to protect the auto industry's profit margins, not consumers' rights. I mean, most cars in other countries are also sold by dealers, even without such a law, so it's not like it would kill the auto industry to allow direct sales.

Two Feet From Bread
Apr 20, 2009


College Slice

Professor Shark posted:

Could be!

I finished the episode, the anger at the goverment from the guy and his lawyer (who also ended up going to jail) is pathetic and their claims that the goverment are the REAL criminals is hilarious. They never show any self reflection on how their choices led to their situations, just anger that they weren’t allowed to get away with their crimes.

Tucker’s brother killed himself instead of standing trial and going to jail, he and an employee blame the government for his death, of course.

I recently read a article on this. The article basically said some fake debt collector threatened to rape this guy's wife over fake debt. So guy got smart on fake debt and basically went on the legal war path with a focus on getting debt collectors to roll on each other. He collected a bunch of evidence and sent it into the fed with this being the end result.

Tucker's MO was that he would get a bunch of loans and sell them to debt collectors. Some would be real debt, but a lot would be the same loan sold to different collectors or a completely made up loan fabricated from hashed together legitimate information (one person's name and SSN, one's contact info, another persons loan amount, and a random loan company all mashed together for a new loan. The end collectors would try and collect on some, but when a fake loan was found out, they would just sell it to an even shitter collector. Kind of like a reverse pyramid scheme where poo poo flows down instead of up.

The article also said a common practice, and scam, by debt collectors would be to get someone to make a small onetime payment on fake debt to get the collector to go away. Then the collector would use that payment as proof the debt is authentic, apply it to the person's credit score, and then say they have to pay more to get it removed.


EL BROMANCE posted:

I spent the weekend in New Orleans so had all the usual scams attempted. I should’ve made up bingo cards.

Oh, do tell. I'll be there for Mardi Gras.

Two Feet From Bread fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Feb 9, 2018

Pharmaskittle
Dec 17, 2007

arf arf put the money in the fuckin bag


Two Feet From Bread posted:

Oh, do tell. I'll be there for Mardi Gras.

I bet you $10 I can tell you where you got your shoes.

That one actually got me the first time I ever heard it, and the guy was funny so I just paid him.

ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016

Someone had to do it.

Pharmaskittle posted:

I bet you $10 I can tell you where you got your shoes.

That one actually got me the first time I ever heard it, and the guy was funny so I just paid him.

How does that even work? Like i wouldn't take the bet, but how do they ever win that?

ponzicar
Mar 17, 2008


ilmucche posted:

How does that even work? Like i wouldn't take the bet, but how do they ever win that?

You got them on your feet.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012





ON YER FEET

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

-=SEND HELP=-




Pillbug

Absurd Alhazred posted:

No, that's actually because regulations make the alternative impossible. Nobody likes buying cars this way.

The place I got my current car from (note: I bought it used rather than new) actually does no haggle pricing. The price on the website is the price you pay. No negotiating, no shenanigans, no dickhead salesman trying to rip you off. There wasn't even a four square!

I did some research and...the price I paid was actually fair. The whole process was so painless I was legitimately confused. There was a minor issue with the car that cropped up in the middle of it all that they promised to fix. I kicked myself for not getting that in writing but they had their mechanic fix it for free the next day despite that. I expected to get dicked over on that one but they were like "sorry 'bout that, brah. Got it covered."

Typing that out sounds like fantasy especially compared to some of the other places I've had to deal with but it's actually true.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

I'm the babyliberal, gotta love me!


ToxicSlurpee posted:

The place I got my current car from (note: I bought it used rather than new) actually does no haggle pricing. The price on the website is the price you pay. No negotiating, no shenanigans, no dickhead salesman trying to rip you off. There wasn't even a four square!

I did some research and...the price I paid was actually fair. The whole process was so painless I was legitimately confused. There was a minor issue with the car that cropped up in the middle of it all that they promised to fix. I kicked myself for not getting that in writing but they had their mechanic fix it for free the next day despite that. I expected to get dicked over on that one but they were like "sorry 'bout that, brah. Got it covered."

Typing that out sounds like fantasy especially compared to some of the other places I've had to deal with but it's actually true.



Moving away from cars, on a scale from 1 to hella, how much is this an mlm?

Wicked Them Beats
Apr 1, 2007



Absurd Alhazred posted:



Moving away from cars, on a scale from 1 to hella, how much is this an mlm?

Ten out of ten downlines agree, this is a legitimate opportunity to make real money and be your own boss!

And all it will cost you is whatever they charge for the cheapest wine blends they can find to markup 500%. Of course you only pay a 400% markup if you sign up to be a CEO (signing up to be a CEO only costs a small monthly fee).


Pharmaskittle posted:

I bet you $10 I can tell you where you got your shoes.

That one actually got me the first time I ever heard it, and the guy was funny so I just paid him.

Dude did this to me in SF when I was 18 or 19. His delivery was pretty funny and he also gave me a shoe shine so I paid him.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!



ponzicar posted:

You got them on your feet.

In NO it’s “You got them on Bourbon St”. One dude tried that on me, but telling me you like my sneakers ain’t gonna work when I know I’m wearing ugly rear end Sketchers.

Saw the NYC style guys trying to hawk rap CDs on old ladies. Lots were wearing Philly gear, as it was Super Bowl Sunday and they were obviously trying to appeal to the crowd.

The guy I gave a few bucks to gave me a fake drinking violation, and had good hustle. Had a shirt with a logo for some youth ministry thing but that might’ve just been BS to win religious peeps over.

And yeah we were there for some parades and stuff, and one of the cups I got with the queens/princess photos on the side has become a favorite drinking vessel.

Vlonald Prump
Aug 28, 2011

Here in America, you grab them by pussy. In old country, pussy grab you!!

Buglord

Had a very mystifying scam call the other day:

Me: Hello?

Scammer: [extremely Chinese voice] Hello, I am calling to inform you that your antivirus has detected a virus on your computer...

Me: Uh huh. What company are you calling from?

Scammer: You're supposed to known that!

Me: ...huh? What's the name of your company?

Scammer: You're supposed to know the company!

Me: Uh, OK. Hope the weather's nice in Beijing [click]



Poor scamtraining, frustration, or unusual honesty in a scammer? You decide!

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Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

I'm the babyliberal, gotta love me!


I just got a weird email from a gmail account ostensibly belonging to my late grandma. It had a real weird looking image in it. I hope the preview reading process on the server side didn't get my account hacked, I sent an email to warn my Dad.

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