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Elvis_Maximus
Oct 7, 2007

Relaxing AND Refreshing



Kinda sounds like they badly need a union or something tbh to hold the line, at least on the financial and working conditions piece. Same problem as the games industry in general though in that there's so many people who want to do this kind of thing that you can just chew talented people up and replace them once they're husks.

Basically capitalism I guess

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Extra Large Marge
Jan 21, 2004



Fun Shoe

Esports leagues are propped up by sponsor and investor money and see very little actual revenue. I'd imagine the guys running them are more interested in separating as much money as possible from sponsors and investors than making a decent product.

Quitting seems smart, it's a bubble that's going to burst.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

I may not be as cute as the other girls, but I'm the best at arm wrestling!


https://twitter.com/Sheldon_Sempai/...444312302678017

proclick

Marin Karin
Jul 29, 2011

What are you, compared to my magnificence?


the nsfw role really ties it all together

Jiro
Jan 12, 2004



https://kotaku.com/twitch-bans-smas...g-se-1845027272

And in more "Smash was always bad" news.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

I may not be as cute as the other girls, but I'm the best at arm wrestling!



had a dark lol at the url being 'twitch bans smash champion after he admits to having sex'

In Training
Jun 28, 2008



pretty wild that admitting to a criminal act of pedophilia only gets you a 2 month twitch ban.

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001






I think hes banned forever 2 months after admitting

In Training
Jun 28, 2008



Real hurthling! posted:

I think hes banned forever 2 months after admitting

That makes a lot more sense, oops.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009



"This isn't about unionising, it's about everyone coming together to negotiate the same rates" like this isn't one of the primary points of unionising.

Marin Karin
Jul 29, 2011

What are you, compared to my magnificence?


It's still hosed that he can admit to it and it takes more than a single day to ban his rear end, though. He had sponsors and everything, it's not like he was some under the radar account streaming for 9 viewers. Someone had to have @'d Twitch saying, "Hey this dude's loving gross."

The article mentions he hasn't streamed since then, but when you have the "ban heinous criminal from your platform" button in front of you, why not immediately press it, y'know?

Victory Position
Mar 15, 2004

Don't call me a hero.










my solution is to play other games because holy gently caress if it's bad for the other person, it's bad for you too and, even worse, you like to play with dropped and stuttering frames for some reason

thinking really hard about someone who loads up Tekken and goes, "aw yeah. time to hit ranked" as they slideshow through the night

Jazerus
May 24, 2011



Lemon-Lime posted:

"This isn't about unionising, it's about everyone coming together to negotiate the same rates" like this isn't one of the primary points of unionising.

yes but the discourse about unions in the US is so poisoned, especially in tech/games, that it's practically a dirty word for a lot of Tech People and Gamers. they'd rather come up with an excuse for why they aren't doing "the bad thing" while still actually doing it

Ryoga
Sep 10, 2003
Eternally Lost

Victory Position posted:

my solution is to play other games because holy gently caress if it's bad for the other person, it's bad for you too and, even worse, you like to play with dropped and stuttering frames for some reason

thinking really hard about someone who loads up Tekken and goes, "aw yeah. time to hit ranked" as they slideshow through the night

This is me even on a wired connection because the closest connection is 1/6 across the planet away from me. The connection will be laggy but at least it will be stable I guess.

SirKibbles
Feb 27, 2011

I didn't like your old red text so here's some dancing cash.


Victory Position posted:

my solution is to play other games because holy gently caress if it's bad for the other person, it's bad for you too and, even worse, you like to play with dropped and stuttering frames for some reason

thinking really hard about someone who loads up Tekken and goes, "aw yeah. time to hit ranked" as they slideshow through the night

That's the thing though, they don't sideshow you do. It seems fine on their end unless it's really bad

Elvis_Maximus
Oct 7, 2007

Relaxing AND Refreshing


Playing more Gundam versus and one thing I don't get is: why does it feel like my melee always loses to their melee attack? Is it a range thing? A priority thing?

Garrand
Dec 28, 2012




https://twitter.com/TheGreatKaitsu/...366772825419777

yo mamma a Horus
Apr 7, 2008



Nap Ghost


now this is the good poo poo

MechaX
Nov 19, 2011

"Let's be positive! Let's start a fire!"


Elvis_Maximus posted:

Playing more Gundam versus and one thing I don't get is: why does it feel like my melee always loses to their melee attack? Is it a range thing? A priority thing?

Itís a mix of priority (some melee attacks are just faster than others), sometimes range, and also sprinkle some delay-based netcode that needs to juggle four players, some actually using WiFi

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

I may not be as cute as the other girls, but I'm the best at arm wrestling!


Elvis_Maximus posted:

Playing more Gundam versus and one thing I don't get is: why does it feel like my melee always loses to their melee attack? Is it a range thing? A priority thing?
what suit are you playing

Elvis_Maximus
Oct 7, 2007

Relaxing AND Refreshing


Endorph posted:

what suit are you playing

When I made the post I was playing noble gundam, but been working on crossbone since then.

Noble gundam being able to auto cancel melee attacks has really spoiled me lol, hard to get used to rainbow stepping for combos again!

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

I may not be as cute as the other girls, but I'm the best at arm wrestling!


unsure which crossbone you're playing (there's 4)

nobel's priority and speed in melee isn't actually that good, and it actually gets worse in berserker mode since she loses access to her high priority drill tackle and the beam ribbon spin that lets her cancel out of some moves. her melee damage is high but she cant really challenge other melee suits facefirst. so thats probably why you're losing out

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.



In Training posted:

pretty wild that admitting to a criminal act of pedophilia only gets you a 2 month twitch ban.

Yeah they didn't even make him an admin first like SA would.

Blockhouse
Sep 7, 2014

You Win!

Master Roshi is out on DBFZ and looks wild. It's weird that Kefla might be the only "normal" playing character in this season.

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

One Nation, Under God.

SF5 added an EX character costume via extra battle, you can dress Ryu as Kairi if you really want to

Chev
Jul 19, 2010


Switchblade Switcharoo

And here I thought they couldn't get any more desperate than outsourcing through costume design contests.

Shinji2015
Aug 31, 2007
Keen on the hygiene and on the mission like a super technician.

PaletteSwappedNinja posted:

SF5 added an EX character costume via extra battle, you can dress Ryu as Kairi if you really want to

I read "Kairi" as "Karin" at first, and was suddenly extremely interested in seeing cross-dressing Ryu.

Still, that's wild. Is it possible that the last character for Season V ends up being an EX character?

Blockhouse posted:

Master Roshi is out on DBFZ and looks wild. It's weird that Kefla might be the only "normal" playing character in this season.

The balance patch came out as well. Might see some shakeups in teams soon.

Oh, and Samurai Red just came out in Battle for the Grid. She looks fun as hell

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

One Nation, Under God.

Shinji2015 posted:

Still, that's wild. Is it possible that the last character for Season V ends up being an EX character?

No clue, but the costume specifically credits Kairi as a FEXL character and not a SFEX character, which is kinda weird.

I bet they'll add Skullomania, just so he's two for two in being guest DLC wasted on a lame game.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.



PaletteSwappedNinja posted:

No clue, but the costume specifically credits Kairi as a FEXL character and not a SFEX character, which is kinda weird.

I bet they'll add Skullomania, just so he's two for two in being guest DLC wasted on a lame game.

For real, I'd be hype for an Arika team in KoF XV or hell like just put Area or Garuda in Samurai Shodown or something.

Keegers
Aug 11, 2014






Been playing fantasy strike a bit since it's gone f2p. As much as it pains me the gameplay is pretty fun and netcode is solid.


The more interesting part of the game I think is how they handle ranked mode. I think too many fighting games don't push people to be a multi character specialist. For those who don't know in fantasy strike you select 3 characters and you have to win once each of those characters vs your opponents character choice to win the ranked match.

More fgs should have you select 3 or so characters and have a ban/pick phase before the match. Throws in some counter play and mind games at higher levels and allows for more unique matchups online. I suppose Fantasy strike is able to get away with this style more as the characters are vastly less complex than other fighters.

Elvis_Maximus
Oct 7, 2007

Relaxing AND Refreshing


Keegers posted:

Been playing fantasy strike a bit since it's gone f2p. As much as it pains me the gameplay is pretty fun and netcode is solid.


The more interesting part of the game I think is how they handle ranked mode. I think too many fighting games don't push people to be a multi character specialist. For those who don't know in fantasy strike you select 3 characters and you have to win once each of those characters vs your opponents character choice to win the ranked match.

More fgs should have you select 3 or so characters and have a ban/pick phase before the match. Throws in some counter play and mind games at higher levels and allows for more unique matchups online. I suppose Fantasy strike is able to get away with this style more as the characters are vastly less complex than other fighters.

Tag games and KoF all incentivize learning to play multiple characters though?

They don't have a pick/ban phase, but even with the amount of league I play I don't really see why I'd want to port that into a fighting game. There's too much to learn with most characters versus something like league where, yeah there's individual character mechanical things to learn, but a lot more of your results are about the strategy and macro play that you execute over the next 30 minutes rather than did you nail this specific combo of abilities together.

Dracula Factory
Sep 7, 2007




Pick/ban is really great for mobas because you have 100+ heroes that operate fairly similarly and have access to the same items, so if your fave gets banned or countered you can just pick someone else you like who fits a similar role. And having a playable stable of 4-5 heroes is way easier than learning 1 average fg character.

dhamster
Aug 5, 2013

I got into my car and ate my chalupa with a feeling of accomplishment.

The FS ranked system is unique but I don't think I like it.

-The roster only has 12 characters and I'm forced to roll with a team of 3, when there's only ~2 characters I enjoy playing.
-The team format is backwards from how most games do it. Instead of simply knocking out their team, you need to win with each of your characters. Combine this with a lot of uneven matchups, you might get reverse OCV'd with your worst character after easily going up 2-0.
-Lots of time sitting in menus, even mid-match. This is probably to make the complexity of this format legible. Before each game there's that long animation shuffling the characters in your team (why can't they be put in order, anyway?). Animations to show the winning characters getting locked out. Animations to show your progress through the fake ranked mode brackets you're playing through, progress through the ranked system, etc. Everything going on outside the game just seems to take way too long.

Chev
Jul 19, 2010


Switchblade Switcharoo

To paraphrase a Spider-man programmer at GDC, when you see that kind of flourish that takes way too long, that's because they're not flourish, they're animated loading screens.

FanaticalMilk
Mar 11, 2011




Dracula Factory posted:

Pick/ban is really great for mobas because you have 100+ heroes that operate fairly similarly and have access to the same items, so if your fave gets banned or countered you can just pick someone else you like who fits a similar role. And having a playable stable of 4-5 heroes is way easier than learning 1 average fg character.

Sounds like pick/ban will be great for Tekken Tag 3.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010



Pick/ban phases suck because they add even more time before playing the actual game.

dhamster
Aug 5, 2013

I got into my car and ate my chalupa with a feeling of accomplishment.

Dracula Factory posted:

Pick/ban is really great for mobas because you have 100+ heroes that operate fairly similarly and have access to the same items, so if your fave gets banned or countered you can just pick someone else you like who fits a similar role. And having a playable stable of 4-5 heroes is way easier than learning 1 average fg character.

pick/ban would go really poorly in gg, since many gg players have been playing the same character for years (decades?)

I remember doing an xrd auction tournament at combo breaker and people were pretty much only bidding on their mains. I decided to bid on Slayer because he was only $2 and got bodied by zenzen ky

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

Yogg-Saron fan #1


I imagine the 3 character system is Fantasy Strike trying to flex the fact that there aren't as many mechanical demands to get up and running with multiple characters (idk how true this actually is). In anything even slightly more sophisticated it's pretty hopeless.

sharrrk
Feb 13, 2012

It's time to party!


pick/bans hurt character specialists, who often bring the most hype to lesser used characters. like imagine if people just kept banning rangchu from using panda or eyemusician from using yoshimitsu, or marlinpie from using viper or angelic from using shuma-gorath. banning chars in fgs is so wack. ppl would just learn the safest and easiest characters and not even bother with anything else cuz anything unknown would get banned asap so they dont have to deal with it

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inthesto
May 12, 2010

Pro is an amazing name!


No Wave posted:

I imagine the 3 character system is Fantasy Strike trying to flex the fact that there aren't as many mechanical demands to get up and running with multiple characters (idk how true this actually is). In anything even slightly more sophisticated it's pretty hopeless.

This is explicitly the point of team mode in Fantasy Strike.

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