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I could see them doing a double-fakeout ending, where on one hand we have the Machine picking up Blackwell as her primary asset to hold American society together in the wake of the molten shards of Samaritan raining down all over everything, while it appears that everyone is dead. And then we cut to Italy, where Harold and Grace Uccelli run a bird sanctuary together, while the Man in the Suit and the Woman Who Doesn't Like Suits But Will Wear One To Blend In travel the world to save the irrelevant numbers, backed up by INTERPOL Agent Fusco.
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I would not be surprised if the original plan for 6 seasons had Samaritan being defeated in season 5, leaving the antagonist of season 6 to be Dark Harold having broken all his rules becoming the villain he constantly went on about being afraid of becoming.
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Jun 2, 2016 17:00
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Acer Pilot posted:Carter had a kid too though Carter's kid was older than Fusco's kid, and had the benefit of a father who could take him on. Plus, they had planned on Carter dying in order to propel the show and give the gang something to rally around. Killing Fusco at the end would serve no purpose to the story, especially because this is his redemption from the years of being a dirty cop.
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Jun 2, 2016 17:19
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I don't consider this evidence for or against Fusco dying, but doesn't he share custody of his son with his ex-wife?
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Jun 2, 2016 17:29
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docbeard posted:I don't consider this evidence for or against Fusco dying, but doesn't he share custody of his son with his ex-wife? Yeah. I think she has full custody. But, being as this is a story and not real life, it really doesn't serve any purpose to kill him, other than an "everybody dies" mentality by the writers. There has to be a bright spot at the end, as a lot of the show focuses on redemption.
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Jun 2, 2016 18:40
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We've really only seen his son as something important to Fusco, for him to be threatened with and subsequently use as the starting reaction for a potential rampage or act of ridiculous violence. Carter's kid had a little development, she reconciled with her husband and him being able to care for his son was an important part of that. Also let's take a minute to remind everyone that Finch is kind of responsible for stealing/copying ARPANET and giving people the internet. Which would be an interesting story in and of itself, but Prometheus stealing fire from the gods is something they've only ever implied. Honestly, Finch and Grace getting back together is absolutely silly to me, considering he's been dead afask for like, ten years? But Samaritan thinking Team Machine are dead, the Machine and Samaritan having it out and/or merging, and then the Machine's Daddy.exe protocol is actually keeping them safe while they try and live out their lives as people would be a satisfying ending. John trying to be a normal person who can be attached to others, Shaw merely trying to be a person, and etc. Also I have to say I'm really glad that Samaritan realized it had a blind spot, and made some kind fo work around. I felt the cover identities was kinda overstaying it's welcome.
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SpookyLizard posted:Honestly, Finch and Grace getting back together is absolutely silly to me, considering he's been dead afask for like, ten years? I agree with this. There hasn't been anything to warrant this, but it would be nice if Finch realized the love of his life is gone, maybe remarried, and he moves on. Maybe next time he goes to the cafe, he'll buy the two cups and ask the waitress to join him. i still want a happy ending for everyone. Fusco being captain of the precinct, John still working as a cop under Fusco, and Finch moving on with his life. But the numbers keep coming, so Shaw works alongside ROOT/MACHINE 3 shows left and i would totally want the Samaritan arc to end in the second episode and just have the final episode be a, one year later/where are they now, finale.
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Yeah, I mean idyllic happy ending fantasies aside, I can't imagine any reunion between Harold and Grace at this point being anything but difficult. Though I'm at the point in my Season 2 rewatch where we're seeing them dating again and goddamn are they adorable together (not least because, I suppose, Grace's actress is Michael Emerson's wife and their chemistry is real) and the old sap in me wants it to happen anyway. berzerkmonkey posted:Yeah. I think she has full custody. But, being as this is a story and not real life, it really doesn't serve any purpose to kill him, other than an "everybody dies" mentality by the writers. There has to be a bright spot at the end, as a lot of the show focuses on redemption. Oh yeah, I absolutely agree. I don't think Reese, at least, makes it out alive, but I hope I'm wrong because seeing him claw his way back to being a real person again after having the humanity ground out of him has been fantastic. Normally I think American TV seasons are too long, but I kind of wish we'd gotten a full season this year. The pacing just feels off and I think some of the slow-burn characterization that they like to do is suffering because of it.
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Did they ever explain why Blackwell is such a critical asset to Samaritan? Is it his IQ? His prison background? Did Samaritan arrange for him to paint houses as training like Mr. Miyagi? I get that he has certain genetic markers and some natural immunities, but is that all? It just seems like he went from ex-con, to house painter, to errand boy, to a Martine-level elite operative with special assignments in a very short span.
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SirMonkeyButt posted:Did they ever explain why Blackwell is such a critical asset to Samaritan? Is it his IQ? His prison background? Did Samaritan arrange for him to paint houses as training like Mr. Miyagi? I get that he has certain genetic markers and some natural immunities, but is that all? He's not important. He's desperate because of his ex-con status and he's willing to commit violence against others so Samaritan is using him as a pawn. He was getting step by step instructions without understanding really why he was doing them or why it was important.
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Jun 2, 2016 19:34
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I think Blackwell is meant to be our window into a typical Samaritan operative's training.
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THF13 posted:He's not important. He's desperate because of his ex-con status and he's willing to commit violence against others so Samaritan is using him as a pawn. He was getting step by step instructions without understanding really why he was doing them or why it was important. He is a also literal genius though, it displayed his IQ in an overlay but not everyone had that. It may matter.
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bring back old gbs posted:He is a also literal genius though, it displayed his IQ in an overlay but not everyone had that. It may matter. Samaritan's definitely made a practice of recruiting exceptionally intelligent people in the past. I guess now that it's more entrenched than before, it can just raid temp agency files for the smartest people instead of depending on nautilus-themed ARGs.
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Jun 2, 2016 20:19
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I don't think anyone is going to survive this season. There's no way Reese makes it out alive or Shaw. Maybe Fusco.
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Jun 2, 2016 20:39
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Everyone dies, the only beings left alive are the Machine and Samaritan. They argue until their power supplies run out.
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I am hoping the 3 other techno-wizards on Team Machine resurface with whatever THEY have been working on.
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THF13 posted:He's not important. He's desperate because of his ex-con status and he's willing to commit violence against others so Samaritan is using him as a pawn. He was getting step by step instructions without understanding really why he was doing them or why it was important. Just seems weird. Samaritan could recruit or manipulate almost anyone from a much larger talent pool, including professionally trained soldiers, spies, Hague investigators, etc. But hey, this ex-con house painter seems really smart and capable. Eh. I trust the showrunners to make this make sense, so I'll just enjoy what's left of the ride.
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SirMonkeyButt posted:Just seems weird. Samaritan could recruit or manipulate almost anyone from a much larger talent pool, including professionally trained soldiers, spies, Hague investigators, etc. I think it's going a step further though, going back through that house painters life to see that he got abused when he was younger, put into foster care, foster parents weren't great people, took advantage of the violence in his past to get him to do violent things for them, then hung him out to dry when he gets arrested for doing something he was ordered to. So Samaritan has this profile of a guy who desperately wants approval from some authority figure and will gladly commit violence for the person if he gets that, and this is their default behaviour because they are mentally broken. Samaritan just has all these different environmental factors it knows add up to make specific skill sets and it's finding people better suited to their jobs this way instead of simply stealing Blackwater's employee list and assuming they'll be loyal because they are soldiers.
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Golem II posted:Everyone dies, the only beings left alive are the Machine and Samaritan. Final episode: Some new guy gets a phone call, gets directions to a location with Machine and Samaritan both spouting ideology at him. He gets to a storage facility, and finds that by complete coincidence the two had their mainframes built in adjacent lockers. So New Guy walks into a room with the wall knocked out, all of the assets on either side dead, and both systems asking him to shut the other one down while they dit there impotently able to affect anything. End of series.
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The final episode is going to be a giant robot battle as both ASIs combine a bunch of trucks into Voltrons. Samaritan will appear to have the upper hand, but there's a crucial piece of intel The Machine gained by working with its assets instead of using them as tools like Samaritan: The Machine kneecaps Samaritan.
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Jun 2, 2016 23:10
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Everyone dies except Fusco. Fusco becomes the new Finch, guiding the new Man in the Suit: Leon.
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Jun 2, 2016 23:19
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What the hell did happen to those other tech guys? Didn't they all get killed?
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Hollismason posted:What the hell did happen to those other tech guys? Didn't they all get killed? The Machine gave them all new identities like it did Finch/Reese/Shaw, and they were never heard from again.
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Jun 2, 2016 23:30
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The show ends with the Machine getting elected President. I'd watch a show about the first AI PotUS.
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paragon1 posted:The show ends with the Machine getting elected President. Only if he speaks through that kid.
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The Machine can't get elected, its only 6 years old.
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xeria posted:The Machine gave them all new identities like it did Finch/Reese/Shaw, and they were never heard from again. I vaguely remember them showing up one more time in a later episode, but yeah they basically got written off/forgotten.
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Jun 3, 2016 18:35
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Didn't Martine kill them all in the opening of season 4?
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Argue posted:Didn't Martine kill them all in the opening of season 4? No, she just killed some randos to show how Samaritan is shutting down any possible leak of its existence IIRC.
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xeria posted:No, she just killed some randos to show how Samaritan is shutting down any possible leak of its existence IIRC. And any possible competition.
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Somehow the closed captions for the last two episodes have leaked. Beware of spoilers.
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Sub Rosa posted:Somehow the closed captions for the last two episodes have leaked. Beware of spoilers. lmao that cam versions of movie trailers and closed captioning text leak nowadays. poo poo's so ridiculous.
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Sub Rosa posted:Somehow the closed captions for the last two episodes have leaked. Beware of spoilers. I mean yes this makes sense but holy gently caress is this real life?
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I'm sure someone else already mentioned it, which is what reminded me of it, but go back to the Season 5 premiere. It began with some apocalyptic-sounding narration in Root's voice, so go watch and listen again, knowing what we know now, and it will change your outlook on what we've already seen and what is yet to come.
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:I'm sure someone else already mentioned it, which is what reminded me of it, but go back to the Season 5 premiere. It began with some apocalyptic-sounding narration in Root's voice, so go watch and listen again, knowing what we know now, and it will change your outlook on what we've already seen and what is yet to come. nah I don't remember that it was probably nothing.
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I don't know who Ben Linus is but Harold is about to gently caress some poo poo up 
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WarLocke posted:I don't know who Ben Linus is but Harold is about to gently caress some poo poo up He was the character played by Michael Emerson on  . Quite possibly the best character on the show - you were really drawn to him, but he was a real son of a bitch.
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Everything about Finch's monologue in the interrogation room was intense as gently caress. And then the phone call with the Machine after - the look on his face when he realizes that if the Machine chose Root's voice as her own, that means Root must be dead - jesus, gives me chills.
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SirMonkeyButt posted:Just seems weird. Samaritan could recruit or manipulate almost anyone from a much larger talent pool, including professionally trained soldiers, spies, Hague investigators, etc. Samaritan can only recruit so many highly trained soldiers before someone notices it.
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