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This show was a hell of a ride. I still remember the days in season one when everyone was all "Wait a second guys, I think this show is actually trying to be good. And they're kinda doing it?" I was not expecting them to go so deep with the premise of the machine. And then the show actually became popular enough for us to not have to worry about it getting canceled after 1 or 2 seasons. I would have rather had a full season to close out on, but we got what we got and I'm glad. I do think this truncated season was still better than season 4. The ideal world never happens for a TV show. They had to deal with things like Nolan being busy with other things, Taraji Hensen leaving, Shahi getting pregnant, Caviezel being struck by lightning while crucified and struggling to relearn how to act, losing NCIS as a lead-in, CBS being the CBS that they are, etc. Instead of thinking about the missed potential I'll say hats off to everyone involved for not letting any bullshit stop them from making a drat good show for five years. Rolling with the punches like that is what separates the greats from the almost-greats. This show had great use of music. POI is old enough that it started in the era of "every drama episode ends with a sappy montage to a song" but they never abused that. You could play any song that played in the show and anyone who watched could tell you when that song played. Afraid of Americans, Hurt, Sinnerman, Fortune Days, Welcome to the Machine, The Day the World Went Away. I'll always think of this show when I hear those songs now. And the score by Ramin Djawadi was great. Just the right amount of emotional, paranoia-inducing, bombastic and overblown to set the show apart from its non-badass counterpart crime shows. John went out like a loving boss. Capping waves of goons with a big smile on his face, until he eventually got shot a bunch of times, then kept gunning down fools until he got chewed apart by machine gun fire then getting blown up by a cruise missile. We can all but hope to die so well. As cool as a spinoff would be I have no idea where they'd take it. I am sure they could come up with something if they really wanted. But really how do you take the number-of-the-week premise and end up topping two battling super AIs that have both infected the entire world? The show can still work on a smaller scale though. I am going to miss you, POI threads. I didn't post much but I've read every post starting from season 1. You guys hardly ever got bitchy or stupid for too long, and that may not sound like much but it's very high praise for any long-running show's thread anywhere on the internet. Seeing other people's reactions, thoughts, jokes, and predictions really added to my enjoyment of the show.
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pik_d posted:TALAMANTES JossiRossi posted:Decima were there to guard him, after all this was the man who was going to secure Samaritan got the gov't feeds. He was never in any danger. The machine spit out his number as the potential cause of a lot of deaths, the only solution to which was killing him.
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pik_d posted:TALAMANTES uhhh Talbot? lol where is this definitive list of names coming from??
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Jun 22, 2016 05:33
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bring back old gbs posted:uhhh Talbot? Just having some fun, someone posted a link to a generic list of last names, The gravestone says TAL, and Zaggit said we saw the last letter is 's' in season 1.
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Jun 22, 2016 05:35
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bring back old gbs posted:uhhh Talbot? Just some dumb website I found that had a list of last names. Talas makes sense because TAL______S So first 3 letters are TAL and last 1 is S. Plus it fits on the tombstone.
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pik_d posted:Just having some fun, someone posted a link to a generic list of last names, The gravestone says TAL, and Zaggit said we saw the last letter is 's' in season 1. Hollismason posted:Just some dumb website I found that had a list of last names. Never knew bout the last letter being an S, yeah I guess that'd be it.
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Jun 22, 2016 05:39
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Sober posted:If you can hear this, you're alone. I can't stop sobbing. :[
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Jun 22, 2016 05:39
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The Man in the Suit should have been John Taylor 
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Jun 22, 2016 05:40
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some of the best TV I've seen. season 1 was, hah, by the numbers, but it's been really incredible since episode three.
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Jun 22, 2016 05:40
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quote:Just to clarify, does the Machine still have Root's voice? Or is it back to being voiceless? 
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Jun 22, 2016 05:45
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Ignis posted:
 Don't know who Asian Kid, 11th Doctor, and Mirror Santa are, but sounds good.
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I know the short season/cancellation is unpopular with a lot of the show's fans, but I think the short season and even the schedule fuckery (once it actually started airing) really added to the sense of urgency. A full season might have been able to bring back a couple more characters from previous seasons, but it would have had a lot more filler that would have slowed everything down too. This was the last network show I was watching, so maybe I'm biased, but the idea that any show actually needs 22 episodes to tell a story seems ridiculous to me. Obviously if you love the characters and the world of the show and enjoyed the number of the week episodes, you may have wanted more just to have more, but I think 13 was a blessing in disguise.
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You know, alongside the praise that everyone else has already said... I'm really glad that they managed to wedge Amy Acker in there proper with Harold's hallucination and as a visual proxy for The Machine's presence. Getting cut from the show right before the big finale (even if she still had the narration) would've felt a little off for how big a part she played on the team these past few seasons. That was a nice touch.
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Generic American posted:You know, alongside the praise that everyone else has already said... I'm really glad that they managed to wedge Amy Acker in there proper with Harold's hallucination and as a visual proxy for The Machine's presence. Getting cut from the show right before the big finale (even if she still had the narration) would've felt a little off for how big a part she played on the team these past few seasons. That was a nice touch. I kinda think Finch should have been a little more alarmed that his Machine decided to take on the persona of someone who worshiped it as a god, but it was a nice move from a sentimental perspective on the showrunners' part. Did anyone else think it was pretty weird when the Machine started flirting with Shaw though?
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It makes sense that The Machine would flirt and talk with Shaw like that. It's clearly established The Machine does feel love and has the ability to simulate personalities. Also, the Machine has duplicated itself and as stated earlier Root lives on in the Machine.
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That was really good and now I'm really sad. Going to go drink some whiskey in honor of John. I haven't been this bummed about a show ending since Justified.
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This was an amazing series(especially considering how, uh, rote the first season was), the best portrayal of AI I can think of, and one of the best scifi shows in years. Despite how great this ending was (and it really was great), I'm really gonna miss this Person of Interest.  Whatever happened to Gabriel, anyway?
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It was a good ending with really powerful moments that didn't quite work as well as it should have. I do like the idea of the Machine recursively teaching a future version of itself/her daughter, that was a neat idea and closes out the season opener really well. But it's just sort of a disjointed mess off the back of the penultimate episode, which although rushed was at least clean. This finale I honestly had very little to no idea what was going on or what people were doing outside of the big sweeping moments, like I was at best very unsure what Finch and Reese were doing and why most of the time during the finale. The irony is that the single most powerful moment of the finale is that subplot with the two cops in the terms of a tonal/thematic conclusion to the series as a whole, which honestly just feels wrong. Basically all the roof stuff and Machine Root flashback-ing stuff was all fantastic, but basically the plot as written was a convoluted mess. NieR Occomata fucked around with this message at 07:10 on Jun 22, 2016 |
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Um... at the end, for the PoI title card it zoomed out to satellite view and there was a red triangle over part of NY. Was that always there this season or does Samaritan live on in the skies? 
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Bruceski posted:Um... at the end, for the PoI title card it zoomed out to satellite view and there was a red triangle over part of NY. Was that always there this season or does Samaritan live on in the skies? That's been there since Season 4. Before it was the Machine's yellow box over the title card, but it was flipped to Samaritan's red triangle. This season it starts off as the red triangle but gets overridden with a yellow box at the last second. I guess they just didn't have time to create a "clean" version for the finale to show that the Machine had won and Samaritan was gone for good, even though it already existed for Seasons 2 & 3...
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Jun 22, 2016 07:24
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I would watch Memento starring The Machine.
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Jun 22, 2016 07:26
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The Dark Id posted:Now that the series is over, I'm disappointed nobody kicked that dipshit little kid Samaritan was using as a speech puppet in the face at any point. Everything with that kid was loving dumb. For what it's worth, when this happened: I pictured that smug kid screaming in mortal terror.
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Jun 22, 2016 07:32
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I bet that kid is gonna spend the rest of his life in an asylum after flipping out that the voice in his head is gone and trying to tell people about the ai gods and the great filter.
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Zaggitz posted:I bet that kid is gonna spend the rest of his life in an asylum after flipping out that the voice in his head is gone and trying to tell people about the ai gods and the great filter. Again, I'd like to imagine that the last thing that kid heard from "God" was Samaritan screaming "FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!  " into his cochlear implant 
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What was with the editing on that roof scene though? Reese killed one guy at least twice and he still shows up in the next shot.
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Well. That was something. Yeah, it did feel a little rushed and convoluted, but, all things considered, I'm happy with the way it went. Sure, a full season would have been nice, but I get the feeling it would have been a bit much. v  v
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Toxxupation posted:The irony is that the single most powerful moment of the finale is that subplot with the two cops in the terms of a tonal/thematic conclusion to the series as a whole, which honestly just feels wrong. In a show all about how irrelevant people matter, the core theme/lesson for the machine to learn and the viewer to then experience coming from one of those irrelevant threads seems very much intentional to me and not some stumble that ironically stands out.
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Jun 22, 2016 08:32
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Jun 22, 2016 08:48
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All these years John thought he had escaped death-by-cruise-missile when he was merely delaying it.
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Jun 22, 2016 08:55
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Missiles, man... Those fuckers play the long game.
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Jun 22, 2016 09:41
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John's not really dead. He just retired to a farm upstate with Carter and Root.
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It's a shame LaToya Ferguson only got the review the last 3 episodes of the show for the AV Club, she really understands the show and all its nuances in a way that Alexa Planje just made no effort to. Her review on the finale pretty much lines up with my feelings on the ep 1:1. http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/moment-truly-matters-person-interests-last-episode-238603
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Great show. I will begrudging be content if this is how it has to end, but if Netflix could decide this season was all a simulation and throw a proper last season or two on that would be great; thanks in advance.
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Jun 22, 2016 09:59
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I didn't understand why the show wanted us to hear the same speech three times in the same episode, but it makes sense that it was the previous machine leaving notes for the new version. A great ending to a great show.
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"Try not to die." "Yeah, I love you too."  Even though a few narrative elements in the final season were unused or seemed to go nowhere, the emotional impact of this last chapter is going to haunt me for a day or two the way only a few of the best told stories can. Edit: Agreed on the AV club review being excellent. Mr. Horyd fucked around with this message at 11:32 on Jun 22, 2016 |
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Solid ending. I gotta admit the Deus Ex fan in me wanted the Machine and Samaritan to merge in space and comeback to Earth as a single AI, taking the best aspects of both to police the world and help people without controlling them and removing their agency completely. Harold needed the happy ending and John going out made sense. I think a lot of their ideas in general sounded better on paper than they actually played out but really the show peaked with Carter's death and subsequent revenge episode so wrapping up the AI stuff with a limited budget even though it made no sense in many ways, was about as good as we were going to get.
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I have watched two series finale this year (this and Castle.) and out of both of them this was satisfying. I am not sure if the new machine is 100% the Machine's child or not...or if it took some of Samaritans' programming with it. I always thought that the end of this storyline would be a new machine which was a combination of the both of them in a Ghost in the Shell "Where does the newborn go" sort of sense.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Samaritan did nothing wrong Metropolis posted:I am going to miss you, POI threads. I didn't post much but I've read every post starting from season 1. You guys hardly ever got bitchy or stupid for too long, and that may not sound like much but it's very high praise for any long-running show's thread anywhere on the internet. Seeing other people's reactions, thoughts, jokes, and predictions really added to my enjoyment of the show. Yeah, I'll miss you thread, too. And I would like to remind everyone that Mister Reese is a bad pun for Mysteries since that was my first post in the Season 1 thread.
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A solid ending to a flawed (but by no means bad and in many respects excellent) season, and to an overall fantastic series. I almost liked Amy Acker's turn as the Machine (especially in this episode where we got to see her) more than I liked her performance as Root, and I thought she was fantastic as Root. I also thought (and I'm sure this is what they were hinting at) that the Machine's half-remembered "everybody dies alone" lesson while it was in such a morbid mood was a callback to John's last words to Jessica: "Everybody dies alone and no one's coming to save you." And I'm glad it turned out to be something different. Alas poor Blackwell, we hardly knew ye (and cared even less).
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Sinteres posted:I kinda think Finch should have been a little more alarmed that his Machine decided to take on the persona of someone who worshiped it as a god, but it was a nice move from a sentimental perspective on the showrunners' part. Did anyone else think it was pretty weird when the Machine started flirting with Shaw though? Isn't the goal of any worshiper to be with their god when they die?
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