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stoutfish
Oct 8, 2012

by zen death robot


center right ideologues

do not believe in entropy

that is the thesis of their ideology, that things do not decay

it is the mindset that denies a physical law

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citybeatnik
Mar 1, 2013

You Are All
WEIRDOS





Quiet Feet posted:

"You morons, nothing will ever change! Now that that's out of the way, here's how we should change things!"

You're adorable.

It's human nature. You can't change it, but you can alleviate the damages and channel it appropriately.

Freemason Rush Week
Apr 22, 2006



citybeatnik posted:

It's human nature. It's not "normalized" like you were complaining about, it's how this poo poo works. How the hell did you think this worked?

It's great that Grognan is out there fighting the good fight (no, really, it is, I'm enjoying the updates) but pearl-clutching and going "oh wally wally wally how terrible this is!" is silly.

You should do some research into early human history and prehistory, imo. Did you know that before agriculture, most societies were egalitarian? Agriculture did not lead to class divisions in all cases, but many of them it did.

In other words, "human nature" as you understand it is only one epoch of our species' development. We are incredibly adaptive, and it's likely we could survive long enough to see a paradigm shift as incredible as the invention of farming. I don't think we could predict what society would look like then though, it would most likely be as incomprehensible to us as the industrial revolution would be to a caveman.

By the way, did you know that empathy is a teachable skill?

No Mans Land 4
May 2, 2016

by zen death robot


this is hilarious
a line of security guarding the stage hahaha

Freemason Rush Week
Apr 22, 2006



stoutfish posted:

center right ideologues

do not believe in entropy

that is the thesis of their ideology, that things do not decay

it is the mindset that denies a physical law

When I learned a grown-rear end man wrote a book called The End of History and wasn't immediately laughed out of town, I suddenly realized the problem went much deeper than I previously realized.

Maybe these nerds should take one book out of the liberal arts curriculum and sub in Watchmen:

Classic Comrade
Dec 24, 2012

(hair tousled from head shaking during speeches)


citybeatnik posted:

You're adorable.

It's human nature.

lol can u be any more condescending

unless your gimmick is being dnd.txt? in which case you're doing a helluva good job

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007



lol Demoncrats

Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo


Chair just adjourned without voting on delegates. Game over. I'm drained. Trespassing charges for people that stay

NumberLast
Jun 7, 2014



Um, bureaucracy is a new invention. It's not part of human nature. You kind of seem to be erronously applying a modern sensibility to the entirely of human history.

I was just watching the Star Trek mirror universe episode and you honestly seem to have come straight from there.

Freemason Rush Week
Apr 22, 2006



citybeatnik
Mar 1, 2013

You Are All
WEIRDOS





Mr. Horrible posted:

You should do some research into early human history and prehistory, imo. Did you know that before agriculture, most societies were egalitarian? Agriculture did not lead to class divisions in all cases, but many of them it did.

In other words, "human nature" as you understand it is only one epoch of our species' development. We are incredibly adaptive, and it's likely we could survive long enough to see a paradigm shift as incredible as the invention of farming. I don't think we could predict what society would look like then though, it would most likely be as incomprehensible to us as the industrial revolution would be to a caveman.

By the way, did you know that empathy is a teachable skill?

I too long to a return to our pre-agricultural roots, and am interested in modeling out how things could be in the future as opposed to dealing with the hear and now - such as the political sausage making that's being live blogged.

And yes, I am aware of that last bit - it's why I mentioned a more robust civil society actually interacting with folks and taking part in things. But that's also an offshoot of the same school of political thought that bemoans the drop in bowling leagues.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007



Nevada Dems are boned after Reid kicks it.

XboxPants
Jan 30, 2006

Steven doesn't want me watching him sleep anymore.


Spiky Ooze posted:

there was a motion to recount.

lady running it cheated once again basically did a hit and run on the mic to wrap it up without listening to the votes or anything.

"OK GUYS MOTION TO END THE CONVENTION CALL-FOR-YEAS-CALL-FOR-NAYS" (without even waiting for people to answer) "OK THE YEAS HAVE IT YOU'RE DISMISSED CONVENTION IS OVER EVERYONE GO HOME"

*GAVEL BANG*GAVEL BANG*GAVEL BANG*





*screaming ensues*

Quiet Feet
Dec 14, 2009

THE HELL IS WITH THIS ASS!?



citybeatnik posted:

You're adorable.

It's human nature. You can't change it, but you can alleviate the damages and channel it appropriately.

You're really wining me over into the depressed/misanthropic camp by being condescending.

Saying that things are the way they are and thats it is an end to a discussion. There is no alleviating anything according to that viewpoint because A: if people are unrepentant shitbags then they are not interested in alleviating anything and B: the same argument applies. Suggesting that there is anything to be done is contradicting yourself.

Studio
Jan 15, 2008




Vaya con dios Grognan

imidge
Aug 16, 2003



Have any Sanders liberals read Settlers yet?

http://readsettlers.org/settlers.pdf

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Classic Comrade
Dec 24, 2012

(hair tousled from head shaking during speeches)


the DnD mindset is like some kind of political learned helplessness, lmao

NumberLast
Jun 7, 2014



My entire worldview just can't agree with what you're saying, friend. Mostly because I consider myself a fairly normal human and I wouldn't be an rear end in a top hat for its own sake, so I have to assume most people wouldn't either.

e: Similar reason to why misanthropy seems stupid to me. It requires the speaker to assume they're 'better' than everyone else.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007



German Miku exists.

citybeatnik
Mar 1, 2013

You Are All
WEIRDOS





NumberLast posted:

Um, bureaucracy is a new invention. It's not part of human nature. You kind of seem to be erronously applying a modern sensibility to the entirely of human history.

I was just watching the Star Trek mirror universe episode and you honestly seem to have come straight from there.

Nawh it's cool I shaved off the goatee.

And define "recent". The Sumerians had it, for christ's sake.

Classic Comrade
Dec 24, 2012

(hair tousled from head shaking during speeches)


lol its probably a good thing that wouldn't load considering it got a probie

NumberLast
Jun 7, 2014



citybeatnik posted:

Nawh it's cool I shaved off the goatee.

And define "recent". The Sumerians had it, for christ's sake.

Trying to define anything pre-IR using anything post-IR is insane. Socially speaking we're basically a different species now.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007



Classic Comrade posted:

lol its probably a good thing that wouldn't load considering it got a probie

it was the hotty of takes

NumberLast
Jun 7, 2014



Wait what is Settlers?

Is it a boardgame thing?

stoutfish
Oct 8, 2012

by zen death robot


imidge posted:

Have any Sanders liberals read Settlers yet?

http://readsettlers.org/settlers.pdf

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

what the hell is this

Classic Comrade
Dec 24, 2012

(hair tousled from head shaking during speeches)


stoutfish posted:

what the hell is this

ok seriously what was it, it wouldn't load for me, my browser was probably doing me a favor, but i am still curious lmao

NumberLast
Jun 7, 2014



Holy loving poo poo

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007



I thought it was racisms

NumberLast
Jun 7, 2014



That's, uh...

That sure is a thing someone wrote

Quiet Feet
Dec 14, 2009

THE HELL IS WITH THIS ASS!?



NumberLast posted:

Wait what is Settlers?

Is it a boardgame thing?

Anybody willong to trade wood for sheep? I got wood, want sheep.

Classic Comrade
Dec 24, 2012

(hair tousled from head shaking during speeches)


was it just goatse

NumberLast posted:

That's, uh...

That sure is a thing someone wrote

oh ok guess not

Joda
Apr 24, 2010

When I'm off, I just like to really let go and have fun, y'know?



Fun Shoe

Grognan posted:

Chair just adjourned without voting on delegates. Game over. I'm drained. Trespassing charges for people that stay

Wait, if you haven't voted on delegates how are candidates gonna know whether or not to show up for the DNC?

Fast Luck
Feb 2, 1988



it's communism

Freemason Rush Week
Apr 22, 2006



citybeatnik posted:

I too long to a return to our pre-agricultural roots, and am interested in modeling out how things could be in the future as opposed to dealing with the hear and now - such as the political sausage making that's being live blogged.

And yes, I am aware of that last bit - it's why I mentioned a more robust civil society actually interacting with folks and taking part in things. But that's also an offshoot of the same school of political thought that bemoans the drop in bowling leagues.

I didn't say I want to return to our roots though? And I specifically said we can't predict the future accurately? I'm just saying that sausage making is something we started doing at a certain point in time. If it had a beginning, it could also have an end.

citybeatnik
Mar 1, 2013

You Are All
WEIRDOS





Quiet Feet posted:

You're really wining me over into the depressed/misanthropic camp by being condescending.

Saying that things are the way they are and thats it is an end to a discussion. There is no alleviating anything according to that viewpoint because A: if people are unrepentant shitbags then they are not interested in alleviating anything and B: the same argument applies. Suggesting that there is anything to be done is contradicting yourself.

Our entire history's been spent clawing ourselves up and out of the pit, man. Going "deep down we're assholes" doesn't negate the advances that we've made despite that. If anything, it makes the good we've managed to do all the more important. But realizing that "some people are assholes, but some assholes are -assholes-" keeps you from having batshit "burn it all down!" people go off in your face like a claymore.


NumberLast posted:

My entire worldview just can't agree with what you're saying, friend. Mostly because I consider myself a fairly normal human and I wouldn't be an rear end in a top hat for its own sake, so I have to assume most people wouldn't either.

e: Similar reason to why misanthropy seems stupid to me. It requires the speaker to assume they're 'better' than everyone else.

If I'm the yardstick by which 'better' is judged then we're -all- hosed. But luckily, I'm not. I've met plenty of generous, nice people who feel deep down that they're doing the right thing.

But I have seen people be an rear end in a top hat just for the sake of being an rear end in a top hat, or to get ahead. I've seen how backwards we can be, and petty racism thrown around, and casual sexism. poo poo sucks now, it sucked even more before, and it'll keep on sucking unless we practice mindfulness to go against our natures.

NumberLast
Jun 7, 2014



I can't deal, man.

NumberLast has issued a correction as of 06:06 on May 15, 2016

stoutfish
Oct 8, 2012

by zen death robot


Fast Luck posted:

it's communism

that is the best way to describe it yes.

it's early american history through the lens of Maoist third world-ism.

NumberLast
Jun 7, 2014



citybeatnik posted:

Our entire history's been spent clawing ourselves up and out of the pit, man. Going "deep down we're assholes" doesn't negate the advances that we've made despite that. If anything, it makes the good we've managed to do all the more important. But realizing that "some people are assholes, but some assholes are -assholes-" keeps you from having batshit "burn it all down!" people go off in your face like a claymore.


If I'm the yardstick by which 'better' is judged then we're -all- hosed. But luckily, I'm not. I've met plenty of generous, nice people who feel deep down that they're doing the right thing.

But I have seen people be an rear end in a top hat just for the sake of being an rear end in a top hat, or to get ahead. I've seen how backwards we can be, and petty racism thrown around, and casual sexism. poo poo sucks now, it sucked even more before, and it'll keep on sucking unless we practice mindfulness to go against our natures.

Woah. You got me to start having a discussion on human nature on Something Awful.

You, sir, performed some excellent maneuvers here and I tip my hat.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007



stoutfish posted:

that is the best way to describe it yes.

it's early american history through the lens of Maoist third world-ism.

oh, i thought it was somebody posting wyatt mann type poo poo + BERNIE RACIST, oh well it was just a sixer, I cannot undo those.

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empireofcrime
Nov 3, 2015

The crimes of this guilty land can never be purged away but with blood.

Classic Comrade posted:

ok seriously what was it, it wouldn't load for me, my browser was probably doing me a favor, but i am still curious lmao

At a guess and from reading the first couple pages and the chapter title I'm guessing it's some kind of "socialism is rooted in racism" poo poo.

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