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Drink-Mix Man posted:That's not what happened though. They said B4's brain stopped working for [tech] reasons.  Yeah, he died, we put him in a pelican case, wanna see?
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infernal machines posted:
That kind of raises an interesting question about what you do with a non-functional artificial sentient being that doesn't age and has no equivalent of a living will. At what point to you call them dead and bury them or whatever if there is a chance future science could save them? Is it analogous to being on life support if they are fully deactivated the whole time? Is it ethically wrong to give up on saving them and declare them dead if there is a chance they could be repaired in a matter of decades or even centuries? Or is it worse to keep them stashed away like an old car you might fix one day?
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Applewhite posted:I feel like Voyager was a missed opportunity. I mean a lot of voyager was absolutely shitposts
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Drink-Mix Man posted:That kind of raises an interesting question about what you do with a non-functional artificial sentient being that doesn't age and has no equivalent of a living will. At what point to you call them dead and bury them or whatever if there is a chance future science could save them? Is it analogous to being on life support if they are fully deactivated the whole time? Is it ethically wrong to give up on saving them and declare them dead if there is a chance they could be repaired in a matter of decades or even centuries? Or is it worse to keep them stashed away like an old car you might fix one day? Assuming they were non-functional I figure it's okay to put them aside until you can fix them, at least until you connect to their suspended memory and find their bloated mental figure begging you to kill them when you leave.
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MikeJF posted:I mean a lot of voyager was absolutely shitposts Then why were the writers so unhappy? I feel like if I were writing bad on purpose Voyager eps with my friends I’d be having a ball.
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CaptainSkinny posted:Ok, so here's the Voyager reboot. YES!!!
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Drink-Mix Man posted:That kind of raises an interesting question about what you do with a non-functional artificial sentient being that doesn't age and has no equivalent of a living will. At what point to you call them dead and bury them or whatever if there is a chance future science could save them? Is it analogous to being on life support if they are fully deactivated the whole time? Is it ethically wrong to give up on saving them and declare them dead if there is a chance they could be repaired in a matter of decades or even centuries? Or is it worse to keep them stashed away like an old car you might fix one day? These questions would all make a really good hook for a story about coming across the consequences of such an AI being stored and forgotten by time. God, if only there were a show whose format was specifically about exploring new kinds of ethical dilemmas by fictional proxy in a serious and deliberative manner, that would make a hell of an episode. Welp, time to put on some more quality CBS All Access content!
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One thing I will give Picard: I'm glad Marina Sirtis got a final trek beat that wasnt being mindraped
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they're going to retcon it next season so that was an android copy and the real troi was on a romulan cube being mindraped
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Drink-Mix Man posted:That's not what happened though. They said B4's brain stopped working for [tech] reasons. Jurati gives Picard a synopsis of the movie he was in where Data downloaded his brain into B4, then says that it didn't work because B4 was "an inferior copy" and "ultimately he wasn't much like Data at all". End of information about why B4 is in parts in a drawer and end of interest in him from Picard.
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MikeJF posted:It's well known that the Trek staff begged to have a year off between TNG and Voyager, and they begged again for extra time between Voyager and Enterprise, and both times CBS was like 'write or be replaced' while masturbating to graphs of TNG's ratings. It wasn't CBS back then, it was still Paramount. The CBS spinoff didn't occur until 2006.
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tactlessbastard posted:Have any of the mass effect people commented on the plagerism? they haven't got a leg to stand on seeing as mass effect is an unlicensed remake of star control 2, and for some reason also star control 3
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shadow puppet of a posted:Picard's shittyness is entirely due to Patrick Stewart and thats why its so wonderful and fun to watch him mash about inside the skin of a character he always secretly hated and resents being remembered for.
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infernal machines posted:Assuming they were non-functional I figure it's okay to put them aside until you can fix them, at least until you connect to their suspended memory and find their bloated mental figure begging you to kill them when you leave. Meanwhile in the STO canon B4 and Data have a long internal discussion over who ought to have ownership over the body(as it can only host one AI long term), which eventually ends with B4 deleting himself against Data's protests, because there is a crisis that only Data can solve, and the needs of the many...
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it's really funny that the mediocre mmo writing of sto gets it right when a building full of highly paid hacks get it so very wrong.
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the only thing Picard can do to save the show is to change the name to Siko and continue his story instead.
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zooted heh posted:the only thing Picard can do to save the show is to change the name to Siko and continue his story instead. Sisko's cameo is finding him sitting in a bar somewhere, playing a piano. He doesn't say a single line, just smiles and plays a few random notes in response to anything someone asks him.
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Neurolimal posted:One thing I will give Picard: I'm glad Marina Sirtis got a final trek beat that wasnt being mindraped Of all the TNG characters, she benefitted the most from switching from the 80s style of writing to the late 2010s. Also it doesn't shock me that the guy who wanted to play Action Picard who Fucks had no interest in anything like TNG and I do think Stewart had a big hand in some of the more bizarre decisions in Picard.
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star trek is so loving simple. you, the viewer, have awesome friends, in space, who go on adventures with you. there is levels and levels of good writing in there, like having internal logic and consistent technology and worldbuilding to make them and space and their space adventures and their friendship feel real to you, but in short that's it, that's all it has to be. any budget, any talent, you just have to accomplish that one goddamn thing and you've made yourself a loving star trek
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Except you just described Dr. Who. If you don't care about the premise, philosophy, or the underlying characterization, there are dozens of sci-fi adventure shows you can watch. Every single one of them will meet that description, and the content doesn't matter. Star Trek as a brand of sci-fi adventure show was differentiated both by the types of stories they told, and the at least relatively consistent universe they told them in. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 13:35 on Oct 6, 2020 |
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Oct 6, 2020 13:22
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Star Trek is sci fi themed Comedia Delle Art
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Wow I just watched the first 2 hours of Discovery (now that it's on CBS). The main character is intensely unlikable. She makes super-bad decisions while being portrayed as both logically-minded and crazily emotional. And you have her captain telling her she's basically Flawless Jesus in the first few minutes of the episode. This show sucks.
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Lincoln posted:Wow I just watched the first 2 hours of Discovery (now that it's on CBS). The main character is intensely unlikable. She makes super-bad decisions while being portrayed as both logically-minded and crazily emotional. And you have her captain telling her she's basically Flawless Jesus in the first few minutes of the episode. This show sucks. Discovery sucks poo poo harder than a shop vac dipped in a septic tank.
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The first three-ish episodes of Disco are basically setting up an entirely different show and are probably the among the worst of the season. The middle stretch is pretty good. Season one was plagued by writer and producer infighting and shuffling, and season two was also to a lesser extent.
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HD DAD posted:The first three-ish episodes of Disco are basically setting up an entirely different show and are probably the among the worst of the season. They're only really "good" compared to the trainwreck of the opening arc and the utter cliff-dive of the final arc. By their own merits their aggressively mediocre at best.
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Discovery Season 2 had a lot going for it just because of Anson Mount, Ethan Peck, Rebecca Romjin, and Tig Notaro. The metaplot was still kind of weak, but they were all good actors, their relationships were fun, and "Christopher Pike and the Enterprise crew show up and actually do heroic things" is good. An episode like New Eden is probably the most old school Star Treky Discovery has been. <Spoiler for New Eden> Discovery finds a planet that's made up of a bunch of refugees from WWIII who have regressed to a more primitive society. The planet is about to undergo a natural disaster, and Pike and Tilly have to try to figure out how to save them without violating the Prime Directive.
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Anson Mount's Pike is wasted on the kind of show Discovery is. Or actually yeah the characters make up a good Star Trek cast and the show has the trappings of Star Trek in it, just it seems everyone in the production took very great pains to avoid engaging with them at every possible turn. I even like the Lorca twist. Or at least think it would have worked as an end-of-season shakeup.
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HD DAD posted:The first three-ish episodes of Disco are basically setting up an entirely different show and are probably the among the worst of the season. Didn't they go through something like three or four showrunners in season one and two?
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I appreciate that nobody really gives two shits about rain Wilson when he was visibly desperate to be another scene stealing beloved quirkmaster
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infernal machines posted:Didn't they go through something like three or four showrunners in season one and two? Pretty much. Timeline as far as I know: Brian Fuller: Came up with the concept and general outline of the season. Studio started loving around with his concept so he peaced out after the first 2-3 scripts were completed and before filming started. Gretchen Berg/Aaron Harberts: Stepped up and ran with whatever notes Fuller left behind, while also injecting their own ideas to staple things together while also running massively behind schedule. Finished season one, and set up the arc for season two. They were fired after the 4th or 5th episode due to being shitheads to the staff writers, and supposedly going way over-budget on the premier. Alex Kurtzman: Stepped in to run season two after he poo poo-canned Berg and Harberts. He went on record it was just temporary until he found someone else to be in the trenches, which he found in.... Michelle Paradise: Brought on toward the end of season two and helped wrap it up. She is the current show runner for season three.
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That explains a lot about Discovery in general. The funny thing is, if they weren't committed to this long form serialized story bullshit and they were just making episodes of the week, it probably wouldn't even be noticeable. You might have some rough episodes here and there, but you wouldn't have an absolute clusterfuck of a narrative where nothing makes sense because no one had stuck around to connect all the fiddly bitsshadow puppet of a posted:I appreciate that nobody really gives two shits about rain Wilson when he was visibly desperate to be another scene stealing beloved quirkmaster What if Harcourt Mudd was actually a cool ice joker agent of chaos, instead of an affable grifter? That'd be cool right? infernal machines fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Oct 6, 2020 |
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infernal machines posted:That explains a lot about Discovery in general. The funny thing is, if they weren't committed to this long form serialized story bullshit and they were just making episodes of the week, it probably wouldn't even be noticeable. You might have some rough episodes here and there, but you wouldn't have an absolute clusterfuck of a narrative where nothing makes sense because no one had stuck around to connect all the fiddly bits TNG is the perfect example of this. They had so much producer/showrunner turnover until mid-season three, but it was pretty well masked due to the weekly nature of the show. If they had somehow attempted long-form arcs, they’d probably be as equally nonsensical as Disco’s.
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My Lovely Horse posted:Anson Mount's Pike is wasted on the kind of show Discovery is. the lorca twist might have worked if anyone in starfleet had the slightest problem with how this fundamentally evil dude did a bunch of evil poo poo openly. instead, they all completely agreed with the flimsy hard men making hard choices bullshit used to justify war crimes. because gosh darn it, there's a war on!
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infernal machines posted:What if Harcourt Mudd was actually a cool ice joker agent of chaos, instead of an affable grifter?
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infernal machines posted:Except you just described Dr. Who. nope and yes nope doctor who is not a star trek because yes star trek has a consistent universe because in star trek you, the viewer, feel like you have awesome friends, in space, who go on adventures with you. also in doctor who you only usually get one awesome friend. the criteria is actually way harder than you think.
SG1 isn't usually in space, Firefly/Farscape have flawed protagonists, Red Dwarf/Orville is not internally consistent and highly flawed protagonists. There are probably actual non-Treks Treks out there but they're not really as abundant as you'd think because everyone only implements a couple of those criteria
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Star trek returns to earth like all the time honestly if you're ok with camp and flamboyant monologuing as the answer to every conflict then most of the doctor who reboot might scratch your trek itch Eccleston & Tennant, good. Matt Smith puts on a mediocre Tennant impression, Capaldi is interesting but gets bad scripts, havent watched Whittaker Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Oct 6, 2020 |
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There's a Star Trek Democrat fundraiser with Pete buttegieg, I say, with true words
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