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Azathoth posted:I genuinely don't understand why anyone who is a fan of TNG or DS9 would want to see more content of those characters. It's not like they left huge question marks about what would happen to them, and in some cases their futures were even shown canonically. A quick drop-in scene that lasts less than a minute, sure whatever, enjoy the nostalgia dopamine hit, but actual stories, gently caress no. There's no reason to bring them back except Star Trek is so creatively bankrupt right now they don't want to even try to tell a new story without endless callbacks to series that people actually liked. Discovery didn't need young Spock, Discovery needed to not suck. Now it sucks with Spock in it instead.
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fat bossy gerbil posted:Enterprise had a lot of good stuff from a conceptual standpoint early in the first two seasons and did a good job playing with the setting being so early in Earths history relative to the other shows but the characters are so bland it poisoned the well completely. That's true, I tried watching during the original airing and gave up. Voyager could kinda stumble along with a dull first officer but Enterprise was dead in the water with Archer and T'Pol being boring. Phlox was the one fun character. I watched Orville for the first time recently and it's a fantastic show, and it was frustrating how well it develops likable people with plenty of fun supporting characters, and then contrasting it to Discovery where we have zero clue who the other bridge crew are or why it is sad cyborg-person died.
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Oct 12, 2020 21:27
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Okay, so what is Picard? Is it the try-hard, over-produced, ultraviolent reimagining of a goofy yet sincere sci-fi show?
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Oct 12, 2020 21:38
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Voyager could kinda stumble along with a dull first officer but Enterprise was dead in the water with Archer and T'Pol being boring. Phlox was the one fun character. Trip could be fun.
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Oct 12, 2020 21:40
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Epicurius posted:Trip could be fun. Trip unfortunately looked and sounded too much like George W Bush to take seriously.
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Oct 12, 2020 21:41
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Bogus Adventure posted:Okay, so what is Picard? Is it the try-hard, over-produced, ultraviolent reimagining of a goofy yet sincere sci-fi show? IDK about over produced. Too many producers for sure, but everything is so lazy.
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Oct 12, 2020 21:43
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Nefarious 2.0 posted:correct. there is zero difference between power rangers and star trek. you are very smart They're both sci fi pop culture kitsch, ones just localized by a very litigious rear end in a top hat Early power rangers and gene roddenberry both only had one plot for their shows
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Oct 12, 2020 21:45
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Hyrax Attack! posted:DS9 is one of my favorite shows but I don't want to see any additional content with the characters. I thought it finished on a strong (not perfect) note and the characters never came back for a bad movie. We have seven seasons that stand fine on their own. An important if overlooked part of the end of DS9 is that a lot of the characters go through a fundamental change that would quite hard to continue in a “get the band back together” sense which stays true to the characters as we left them. Worf and Dax get a pass for obvious reasons. TNG ended as a fairly Picard-only affair and one that didn’t really change much about him - just told a good, thematic story. It’s too easy to ignore the ending of DS9 and it just wouldn’t mesh without a lot of time and effort.
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Oct 12, 2020 21:45
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ignoring the ending of ds9 is a pretty good coping method. loving pah wraiths, man.
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Oct 12, 2020 22:14
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I actually liked the Pah Wraiths but I’m also known to like bad things so
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Oct 12, 2020 22:23
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Bogus Adventure posted:Okay, so what is Picard? Is it the try-hard, over-produced, ultraviolent reimagining of a goofy yet sincere sci-fi show? Picard is a weird one-off miniseries deconstructing the main character from mainstream television sensation Star Trek: The Next Generation. It comes to you from an alternate dimension where nobody has really been interested in Star Trek for 20 years so it takes a lot of liberties with the setting and tone.
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Oct 12, 2020 22:28
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Imagine how much of a full on everything shown in detail rapist Quark would be on a NuTrek DS9 sequel.
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Oct 12, 2020 22:37
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Bogus Adventure posted:Okay, so what is Picard? Is it the try-hard, over-produced, ultraviolent reimagining of a goofy yet sincere sci-fi show? It was sold to people as a low-key introspective series where Picard deals with getting old by solving mysteries in France. Alex Kurtzman wasn't impressed, so the show ends on whether or not a planet of secret Data's will open a universe portal and let an evil robot octopus through. The theme of the show is knowing when to end, when it's time to die, and because the show got renewed they put Picard in a robot body.
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Oct 12, 2020 22:37
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Gutcruncher posted:Imagine how much of a full on everything shown in detail rapist Quark would be on a NuTrek DS9 sequel. They went into plenty of detail about conditions of employment in his bar in deep space nine.
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Oct 12, 2020 22:42
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Pick posted:They went into plenty of detail about conditions of employment in his bar in deep space nine. They did, now imagine seeing it in every gruesome detail cranked up to Kurtzmans “let’s slowly pull his eyeball out” sensibilities.
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Oct 12, 2020 22:47
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Gutcruncher posted:They did, now imagine seeing it in every gruesome detail cranked up to Kurtzmans “let’s slowly pull his eyeball out” sensibilities. Gene would be proud to finally see his vision of enormous Ferengi hogs fully realized on television
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Oct 12, 2020 22:49
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I mean, in more ferengi episodes than not they either receive an ear handjob or talk about receiving an ear handjob Profit and Lace ends with the lady he was demanding earjobs for employment from saying "actually I like rubbing giant ferengi ears" and Quark chasing her to get his lobes off
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Oct 12, 2020 22:50
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Gene would be proud to finally see his vision of enormous Ferengi hogs fully realized on television
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Oct 12, 2020 22:51
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Neurolimal posted:I mean, in more ferengi episodes than not they either receive an ear handjob or talk about receiving an ear handjob In nu-Trek, you finally see the ear cumshots
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Oct 12, 2020 22:55
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Pick posted:They went into plenty of detail about conditions of employment in his bar in deep space nine. Trafficking the Dabo girls is fine, it comes with the territory, but don't let them catch a whiff of arms sales. Gutcruncher posted:They did, now imagine seeing it in every gruesome detail cranked up to Kurtzmans “let’s slowly pull his eyeball out” sensibilities. Quark tries to get Morn, and subsequently Garak to help him dispose of a Dabo girl who had a bad date in the holosuite, but Odo is on his rear end because he thinks Quark has been demoing new Romulan disruptors in there. In the end they frame a Nausicaan who was winning a little too much at the domjot table. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Oct 12, 2020 |
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Oct 12, 2020 23:02
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infernal machines posted:Trafficking the Dabo girls is fine, it comes with the territory, but don't let them catch a whiff of arms sales. I had a moment of being half asleep, thinking I was still in the NCAA Football thread and was like "I KNEW Dabo Swinney is a twisted fucker."
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Oct 12, 2020 23:05
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqGVyPO647I
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Oct 12, 2020 23:08
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:ignoring the ending of ds9 is a pretty good coping method. loving pah wraiths, man. I mean sure, you can ignore the Pah Wraiths because that was a stupid plot point but at least it was an intentionally personal one for Sisko. The fallout of the Dominion War is something we're never going to see because they were ignoring just how game changing that conflict was back when Voyager was airing and Picard doesn't even acknowledge its existence.
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Oct 12, 2020 23:11
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Arcsquad12 posted:and Picard doesn't even acknowledge its existence. Which is funny because it was the impetus for the first all out space battle involving hundreds of ships shown on Star Trek, you know, the thing they can't go a single season without trying to one-up. It even sets the stage for the Federation being short of ships and materiel when the Romulan evacuation begins. So yeah, better never mention that. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Oct 12, 2020 |
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Oct 12, 2020 23:19
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Sometimes I think Trek goes out of its way to avoid talking about DS9 plot points.
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Oct 12, 2020 23:21
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Dominion war plus nemesis is a loving poo poo place to have things because it's basically every federation enemy curbstomped. So what you're going to bring back the kazon or some poo poo? The breen? The borg Queen is dead cardassia is hosed Romulus is hosed the dominos is hosed
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Oct 12, 2020 23:23
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HD DAD posted:I actually liked the Pah Wraiths but I’m also known to like bad things so i was down with the LOVE of the pah wraiths until now (mid seas 7) when mystical bullshit seems to be overtaking the personal drama and political intrigue that are ds9's strengths. also they could throttle back on the ezri a little
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Oct 12, 2020 23:23
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HD DAD posted:Sometimes I think Trek goes out of its way to avoid talking about DS9 plot points. I thought the lower decks joke about this was the funniest in the whole series
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Fuligin posted:i was down with the LOVE of the pah wraiths until now (mid seas 7) when mystical bullshit seems to be overtaking the personal drama and political intrigue that are ds9's strengths. also they could throttle back on the ezri a little No!!!!! She must be immediately beloved!!!!!! Nonstop Ezri episodes!!!!!
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Oct 12, 2020 23:24
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Pick posted:Dominion war plus nemesis is a loving poo poo place to have things because it's basically every federation enemy curbstomped. So what you're going to bring back the kazon or some poo poo? The breen? The borg Queen is dead cardassia is hosed Romulus is hosed the dominos is hosed Synthetics
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Pick posted:I thought the lower decks joke about this was the funniest in the whole series It really works on a few levels doesn’t it
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Oct 12, 2020 23:25
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Pick posted:Dominion war plus nemesis is a loving poo poo place to have things because it's basically every federation enemy curbstomped. So what you're going to bring back the kazon or some poo poo? The breen? The borg Queen is dead cardassia is hosed Romulus is hosed the dominos is hosed Joe TV watcher doesn't care, just make the Klingons bad again
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Oct 12, 2020 23:25
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What about 8 weird tentacles from a spooky space portal? Doesn't that sound scary? Or really big flowers, wooOOOooOOOooo...
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Oct 12, 2020 23:29
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I love that both Star Trek series had a big bad "destroy all life as we know it" AI as the main threat at the same time. Presumably the writers share a whiteboard
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Oct 12, 2020 23:31
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I actually thought the flowers were kind of cool. Reminded me of something I'd see in TAS maybe. Lack of bad guys is a good thing, I wanna see less war and more space weirdness
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Oct 12, 2020 23:32
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Picard writer: wait, I thought it was one of our guys who wrote “evil AI” Disco writer: we thought it was one of ours. gently caress, we need more whiteboards
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Oct 12, 2020 23:32
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Oct 12, 2020 23:33
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I mean same but not because the federation is a ridiculous overdog like a high school sports team antagonist who wears polo shirts
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Oct 12, 2020 23:33
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Ezri would have been so much better if her entire plot with Worf in the final 10 episodes wasn’t treated like dumb high school romance bullshit.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:I actually thought the flowers were kind of cool. Reminded me of something I'd see in TAS maybe. The problem is the current crop don't know how to write without bad guys. Internally, externally, everything has to be melodrama and existential threats. To the extent there's any space weirdness at all, it's directly in service of that. HD DAD posted:Picard writer: wait, I thought it was one of our guys who wrote “evil AI” Can't wait for the Picard/Disco crossover episodes
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