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Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


I half-seriously suggested a thread in this vein in the PYF Dark Enlightenment Thinker thread, and other posters liked the idea, so here we are.

What is a tankie?

Wikipedia posted:

Tankie was a pejorative term referring to those members of the Communist Party of Great Britain that followed the Kremlin line, agreeing with the crushing of revolts in Hungary and later Czechoslovakia by Soviet tanks; or more broadly, those who followed a traditional pro-Soviet position.

SJWiki posted:

A Tankie is an apologist for the violence and crimes against humanity perpetrated by twentieth-century Marxist-Leninist regimes, particularly the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin (1924 - 1953). More broadly, the term may refer to any leftist who is perceived to support or defend authoritarian regimes on the basis that they are enemies of the United States. This can include regimes that are not and do not claim to be communist such as those of Vladimir Putin in Russia and Bashir al-Assad in Syria.

r/shittankiessay posted:

The modern usage of the term tankie means someone who unequivocally supports various tinpot dictators and nations, either as being muh "actually existing socialism" or on a principle of unprincipled "anti-imperialism."

What is an authoritarian moonbat?

RationalWiki posted:

This is a category for anti-democratic far-left, and most either embrace or heavily sympathize with authoritarian varients of communism. While they are all on the authoritarian far-left most are at odds with each other, for instance Stalinists and Maoists.

Thread guidelines:
  • The scope of this thread is intentionally somewhat vague, but try to stick to people who are apologists for dictators, advocate violent revolution to create a dictatorship of the proletariat with a straight face, espouse bigoted views such as homophobia from a "left-wing" perspective, or are at least vaguely Old Left. People you simply consider overly "woke" or "Tumblr-y" are a completely different category and should be avoided (we actually used to have a PYF mock thread for them, and it collapsed because of arguments about whether the people being posted were really all that unreasonable, and because a fair amount of the thread was at least arguably punching down). There will be some overlap in the form of "Maoism-Third-Worldism" and similar ideologies, but those should be OK to post, because I think pretty much everyone here can agree that they are silly.
  • There's no hard rule that you have to post a quote in every post or anything like that, but some amount of finding quotes instead of just discussion helps keep mock threads from dying.
  • On the other hand, try to keep quotes to a reasonable length.

Now on to the quotes!

The Stalin thread on RevLeft has some amusing bits.

quote:

That Stalin "made a fine Emperor" is not a Marxist analysis, nor are claims that he "crapped up" arts.

quote:

Sorry mates. My overall view of Stalin is actually positive. My main man Žižek is a self-proclaimed Stalinist, who am I to argue. Still,he did some questionable things. Like all that constant history-modifying, how's a worker supposed to make the right conclusions from history if the history itself is unreliable?

Then there's the American Herald Tribune, where the headlines say it all. It was actually what inspired this thread in the first place.

quote:

Homosexuality and Bourgeois Decadence: Reflections on the Orlando Massacre

One of the section headings is "Neoliberalism- a gay science."

quote:

9/11 and the Zionist Question: Is Noam Chomsky a Disinfo Agent for Israel? - Part 13

It's the "Part 13" that really makes this one.

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The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012



https://twitter.com/PhilGreaves01/s...921274102419456

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


https://twitter.com/halabtweets/sta...228565300371456

Edit: Actually, I might have broken my own guidelines here; @halabtweets is probably an Assad supporter/propagandist actually living in Syria, not a Western Assad apologist.

Silver2195 has a new favorite as of 02:41 on Aug 31, 2016

Straight White Shark
May 16, 2009



Fun Shoe


Tack on a few more "Syria vs."s at the start and this is basically accurate.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


Gabriel Pope posted:

Tack on a few more "Syria vs."s at the start and this is basically accurate.

Plus tack on a few more "vs. imperialism"s on the end.

In other words, it actually is complicated!

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


https://twitter.com/PhilGreaves01/s...456086260867072

It took me a moment to realize that he's criticizing Putin for not being Stalin-like enough.

Because Stalin would never support appeasement!

Silver2195 has a new favorite as of 02:51 on Aug 31, 2016

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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Ideally I shouldn't post my own personal arguments with leviathan-supersystem on tumblr, because tumblr. The bit where he claimed Robert Conquest supported his views on the Holodomor was pretty awesome though. If he brings it up again I'll do a detailed dissection of the terrible evidence. (Hint: a quote that refers to a quote somewhere else that quote-mines a quote from a third place that claims to be from an otherwise-unknown "personal communication" may not be the gold standard of historical evidence, and btw Conquest would have ripped your head off and shat down your neck.)

But I will note that I started Stalin apologetics on RationalWiki. RW gets mountains of poo poo from reactionaries as a "far leftist SJW wiki", so we need more poo poo from tankies really.

divabot has a new favorite as of 14:51 on Aug 31, 2016

pookel
Oct 27, 2011



Ultra Carp

Good thread idea. I don't have much experience with these folks on the internet, but I'm happy to go looking. I did go to college with an unapologetic Stalinist who was shunned by campus leftist organizations for his views. My most vivid memory of him was when Bob Dole spoke on campus, and Brad the Stalinist got to ask a question, only instead of asking a question he started ranting about American imperialism. Eventually the security people took the microphone away, and he began shouting desperately as if he were being dragged away by the police ... except he wasn't, he was just standing there with no mike. Bob Dole said "sorry, was that a question?" and everyone laughed and he slunk away in shame.

As for content: Western apologists for Hugo Chavez would fit here, yes? IIRC, there were a lot of those during his regime.

A White Guy
Dec 19, 2012

Never fear!
Japan is here!


Oh lord yes. I read the /r/syriancivilwar reddit off and on, largely so I can keep up to date with it. The comments range from informative to outright loony-bins, but my favorite so far:

quote:

In his first reaction to the protests on 30th March 2011 Assad agreed with the legitimate demands of the demonstrations. He ended the single party rule, called for new elections, new constitution, new modern media law, multi candidate elections and set a presidential term limit on himself. He amnestied thousabds of opponent fighters, and invited all refugees also deserteurs to come back to Syria and have there case settled if they fled conscription.
He is not your usual dictator. He is a reformer, a liberally minded, great statesman. But he came into power of a country, at War for 50 years, in a state of martial law, under constant threat of political and radical Islamists, sanctioned and threatened by America and inside a militaristic, autoritarian system. He is our man to change the system from the inside. Steering it to more liberty, more democracy, more modernity. Simplier said then done. But he has the best intentions and is very pragmatic, rational, predictable and actually humble.

Assad, giver of democracy

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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pookel posted:

Good thread idea. I don't have much experience with these folks on the internet, but I'm happy to go looking. I did go to college with an unapologetic Stalinist who was shunned by campus leftist organizations for his views. My most vivid memory of him was when Bob Dole spoke on campus, and Brad the Stalinist got to ask a question, only instead of asking a question he started ranting about American imperialism. Eventually the security people took the microphone away, and he began shouting desperately as if he were being dragged away by the police ... except he wasn't, he was just standing there with no mike. Bob Dole said "sorry, was that a question?" and everyone laughed and he slunk away in shame.

As for content: Western apologists for Hugo Chavez would fit here, yes? IIRC, there were a lot of those during his regime.

RUHNAMA, Niyazov, Monday (NNN) — Hugo Chávez has promised to speed up “the construction of true socialism” in Venezuela now that he can stand for re-election indefinitely. “We have exploded the barriers to a permanent socialist revolution.”

Chávez has changed Venezuela from the sky right down to the earth,” said the completely typical Venezuelan citizen our reporter was supplied with. “Now there are opportunities for all, from the richest to the most deprived. The people love him. We cannot go back.”

Chávez has already taken control of the country’s vast oil wealth, expropriated private landholdings and businesses and instituted a programme of deep social reforms. He has attacked the “distribution of wealth” problem by destroying as much of it as possible. After Chávez promised to nationalise the biggest power and phone companies, the Caracas Stock Exchange closed nearly 20% down, Electricidad de Caracas fell 25% and CA Nacional Telefonos was suspended from trading. The Venezuelan Bolivar has been replaced in common use with twigs and small rocks, which suddenly have much greater practical exchange value.

Chávez next wants to merge all his coalition partners into a single party, remove the opposition television channel, nationalise key businesses and rule by decree for a year. However, construction of a one-hundred-metre tall gold statue of himself in the Caracas city square that turns to follow the sun will be delayed until next year, and renaming the days of the week and months of the year after himself and his mother can wait until the year after.

Fidel Castro expressed his confidence that Chávez was in no danger from the US. “This is the CIA we’re talking about,” said Castro. “They could gently caress up a wet dream. Hey, maybe they’ll try the exploding cigar trick again. That’s a good one.”

A White Guy
Dec 19, 2012

Never fear!
Japan is here!


Also, what does 'tankie' mean? Or rather, why are authoritarian leftists called tankies, specifically?

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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A White Guy posted:

Also, what does 'tankie' mean? Or rather, why are authoritarian leftists called tankies, specifically?

To quote myself from the vile socjus regressive-left wiki:

quote:

Serious devotees of Soviet Union apologetics are referred to by the derogatory epithet tankies, after the tanks that rolled into Hungary when they dared leave the Soviet Union's loving hugs. This term was coined by other communists who didn't agree with such actions and originated as a term for the Communist Party of Great Britain when they followed the Kremlin line.

The term is routinely used concerning Stalin apologists. Because he was dead by the time the tanks rolled, they will often claim the word properly refers to someone other than them — though approximately nobody goes along with this. You'll also see it being used for Mao apologists, North Korea apologists, Nicolae Ceausescu apologists, Berlin Wall apologists, and those who cheered the June Fourth Incident Tiananmen Square Massacre.

Other groups get called "tankies" if they take an authoritarian line. There are actually tiny Trotskyist groups that supported military "intervention" in Hungary, e.g. the Marcyites.

Worth excerpting for the first post?

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


divabot posted:

To quote myself from the vile socjus regressive-left wiki:


Worth excerpting for the first post?

I think the Wikipedia quote I used already touches on the derivation ("agreeing with the crushing of revolts in Hungary and later Czechoslovakia by Soviet tanks").

pookel
Oct 27, 2011



Ultra Carp

Welp, I went looking for Chavez fans on Tumblr, and it didn't take long.

From http://thankyouhugochavez.tumblr.com/



Then there's this charming dude, who says "This is an anti-racist, anti-sexist (non-feminist) communist blog.
The enemy is the capitalist class of all races, sexes, nationalities and orientations, and those who ally with them, consciously or not."

http://large-hard0n-collider.tumblr.com/

The name of this one speaks for itself:

http://fuckyeahmarxismleninism.tumblr.com/

But is even worse than I expected, because they seem to be fans of North loving Korea.

Lunchmeat Larry
Nov 3, 2012

IF I COULD BE ANY KIND OF FLOWER I'D BE A BIG ANGRY COCK

Marxism-Leninism is good though

Ichabod Sexbeast
Dec 5, 2011

Giving 'em the old razzle-dazzle


But North Korea is not

Shbobdb
Dec 16, 2010

by Reene


Anything written by the Sparticist about noted Fake Leftist Noam Chomsky is gold.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKIu-JjfIXE

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


The Spartacist League is icky.

quote:

Our defence of Polanski, like our longstanding defence of NAMBLA (North American Man/ Boy Love Association, which advocates the decriminalisation of consensual sex between men and boys), is based on our Marxist programme for women’s liberation through socialist revolution. Government out of the bedroom! Hands off Roman Polanski! Drop the charges!

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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Silver2195 posted:

The Spartacist League is icky.

But man, the demo chants!

I used to go to anti-Nazi demos in my dissolute youth. I had short hair and wore a suit and tie, because presentation is important and also it confused the poo poo out of the police. Everyone else was assorted commies and anarchists. The Spartacists would always show up with the best-made banners and have these really complicated chants that nobody could be expected to pay attention to. I expect the Melbourne lot had as their cult leader that one guy (of course it was a guy) who is so anal he alphabetises his underwear.

pookel
Oct 27, 2011



Ultra Carp

Silver2195 posted:

The Spartacist League is icky.


But ... Roman Polanski didn't just have sex with an underage girl, he drugged her and forcibly raped her. Even if 13-year-olds could legally consent, what he did was surprise sex. How can anyone defend him?

Woolie Wool
Jun 2, 2006

by FactsAreUseless


Silver2195 posted:

The Spartacist League is icky.

That made me recoil in my seat and shove my hand out at the screen.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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pookel posted:



But ... Roman Polanski didn't just have sex with an underage girl, he drugged her and forcibly raped her. Even if 13-year-olds could legally consent, what he did was surprise sex. How can anyone defend him?

Roman Polanski has thanked creepy surprise sex apologists worldwide in his battle to avoid extradition to the US for the artistically necessary 1977 drug surprise sex of a 13-year-old girl.

“Messages have come from supporters of drugging children and loving them from across the world,” the Oscar-winning rapist wrote in an open letter published on the website of French intellectual and drug surprise sex apologist Bernard-Henri Levy.

“I would like every one of them to know how heartening it is, when one is locked up in a cold, bare cell — and my luxurious ski resort chalet is a cold, bare cell to me — to hear this murmur of human voices and of solidarity with drugging and loving young girls.”

The 76-year-old director is now under house arrest in Switzerland and facing extradition to the United States where he could be sentenced for having drugged and hosed a 13-year-old girl he was photographing in 1977. He fled the country in 1978 on the eve of sentencing because he believed a judge might actually dare put him, of all people, in jail on some trumped-up pretext.

“It’s clearly victimisation of an artiste by a judge who just doesn’t understand Hollywood,” said celebrity drug surprise sex supporter Whoopi Goldberg. “Luring in kids, giving them drugs and then sodomising them mercilessly and brutally is what this town was built on. The camerawork on the images of the drugged young girl’s anus skewered on the end of Mr Polanski’s genius cock as she mumbled ‘no, stop, no’ was particularly awe-inspiring. You don’t get work like that for free.”

The “Free Polanski” movement is widely considered even wackier than hip-hop’s periodic “Free Some Guy Who Totally Deserved To Go To Jail” movements.



sorry, we're talking about icky leftist surprise sex apologists, aren't we.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Just assume everybody in Hollywood or the British government is participating in giant child slave orgies, and you won't be disappointed when it turns out someone did.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless




Let's have a round of applause jazz hands for good old "indefatigable" himself, George "The end of the USSR was the worst day of my life" Galloway.

OldMemes
Sep 5, 2011

I have to go now. My planet needs me.


It's hard to believe that George Galloway is a real person, let alone a former MP. You could fill the entire thread with things he's said. He has a massive crush on Assad of all people

An actual thing George Galloway said posted:

I don’t believe that the government of Iran is a dictatorship



I've got a friend who used to go to left wing rallies, he stopped after they became increasingly overrun with Tankies and the like. They're the Freepers of the left and ruin it for everyone else.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless


OldMemes posted:

It's hard to believe that George Galloway is a real person, let alone a former MP. You could fill the entire thread with things he's said. He has a massive crush on Assad of all people

I think he also likes Putin, doesn't he?

He also had that thing in the last election where he put these leaflets around the constituency he'd parachuted into suggesting that he was a better Muslim than his Labour opponent - who was an actual Muslim.

(I have heard Jill Stein also likes Putin.)

Wheat Loaf has a new favorite as of 21:17 on Sep 1, 2016

Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone

Shockingly it turns out fringe groups can be astoundingly stupid.

http://www.workers.org/2016/05/11/s...a/#.V7fUH61ceUk

quote:

There seems to be an unwritten law among the colonizers and imperialists that the peoples they have attacked the most must be insulted the most.

U.S. history is replete with examples. None is more repugnant than the universally offensive treatment heaped on the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea by the U.S. political establishment and media.

Since occupying the south of Korea in 1945, the imperialists have tried to defeat the Korean people’s efforts to build socialism and overcome the poverty and devastation they inherited from decades of Japanese colonial rule. From 1950 to 1953, the Pentagon launched one of the most unequal wars in history against the DPRK. But the Korean Revolution succeeded anyway in the northern part of the peninsula. Showing incredible morale and bravery, the newly liberated Korean people in the DPRK under the leadership of the legendary Kim Il Sung and the Workers’ Party fought the invaders to a standstill and then rebuilt their country.

So the imperialists, while still occupying the south and holding annual “war games” that threaten the DPRK with both conventional and nuclear weapons, have intensified their insults against the leaders of north Korea.

Workers World totally rejects this war propaganda offensive. It stands in solidarity with the DPRK, its people and leaders, in defense of their sovereignty and social system.

A momentous event has just taken place in Pyongyang, capital of the DPRK. Starting on May 6, the Workers’ Party of Korea held its 7th Congress to chart the next phase of its development. The Secretariat of the National Committee of Workers World Party sent the following solidarity message to the First Secretary of the WPK:

“Dear Comrade Kim Jong Un,

“Workers World Party sends comradely greetings to the Workers’ Party of Korea on the occasion of your party’s 7th Congress.

“Many years have passed since the great revolutionary struggles that liberated the northern half of Korea from the colonial oppressors and their puppets, and all that time the Workers’ Party of Korea has remained true to its commitments.

“Despite the strident hostility of the imperialist ruling classes, your Party has organized the people of the DPRK into a strong, educated, sincere force for building socialism that refuses to be intimidated. It has dealt firmly with those who would return all of Korea to the days of vassalage to international finance capital. It has guided the building up of the advanced scientific foundations of the economy and defense, and thus neutralized the constant war threats of the imperialists.

“We are sure you have much to celebrate in this remarkable Congress of your Party. The Korean revolutionaries have shown the world that a determined and politically conscious people can take on any challenges and succeed when imbued with the spirit of unity, courage and independence.”

Since this was written, the news from Pyongyang is that Kim Jong Un has been elected chair of the Workers’ Party of Korea and is stressing the policy of “byungjin,” which means the simultaneous buildup of both economic and military strength, including nuclear weapons. As the U.S. has threatened the DPRK with nuclear attack ever since the 1950 war, the development of such weapons by the Koreans can only be seen as a necessary defensive measure. Ever since 1953, the Koreans have asked for negotiations to end that war with a peace treaty, and the U.S. has refused.

All progressives must continue to ­demand that Washington abandon its futile attempts to overthrow the DPRK
and sign a peace treaty NOW

Benny Harvey
Nov 24, 2012
WORST OF ALL THE BENNYS

Wheat Loaf posted:



Let's have a round of applause jazz hands for good old "indefatigable" himself, George "The end of the USSR was the worst day of my life" Galloway.

Mainstream politicians shake hands with dictators too.

Tacky-Ass Rococco
Sep 6, 2010

by R. Guyovich


I really enjoyed this D&D thread, about how Stalin did literally nothing wrong. Grover Furr is my favorite tankie moonbat.

See also:

Did the Soviet Union Invade Poland in September 1939? NO!
(The answer: No, it did not.)

Pallas_Cat
May 2, 2009

Absolute Unit

I refuse to believe that this person is regularly left in charge of small children.



But hey, they're really smart. They're about to graduate with 8 degrees (if the government stalkers and/or angels don't interfere)!





The site they link to has big plans to build an anti-capitalist "eco feminist" village in South America so they can live off the grid in harmony with the earth.

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

D U S T M A N


Jack of Hearts posted:

I really enjoyed this D&D thread, about how Stalin did literally nothing wrong. Grover Furr is my favorite tankie moonbat.

See also:

Did the Soviet Union Invade Poland in September 1939? NO!
(The answer: No, it did not.)


lmao this clod is a professor of Medieval English lit at my college

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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Alaois posted:

lmao this clod is a professor of Medieval English lit at my college

I am so sorry.

If you're going to teach children about revolutionary socialism, I recommend the Robert Peston approach:

Terrible Opinions
Oct 17, 2013


There sure were a whole lot of Stalinists and North Korea supporters in that thread. LF never died.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

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I am amazed I only just heard of National Bolshevism.

You can make almost anything really bad by adding "National" in front, e.g. National Anarchism, aka Nazis who don't like being told what to do. An "anarchist" strain that unites anarchists in detesting it more than "anarchocapitalism" does.

A White Guy
Dec 19, 2012

Never fear!
Japan is here!


divabot posted:

I am amazed I only just heard of National Bolshevism.

You can make almost anything really bad by adding "National" in front, e.g. National Anarchism, aka Nazis who don't like being told what to do. An "anarchist" strain that unites anarchists in detesting it more than "anarchocapitalism" does.

I'm reminded of something that sounded amazing to my 17 year old head, but now that I'm a little older makes all kinds of sense. Politics don't really exist on a spectrum from left to right, like a line. In reality, political ideology is more a circle, where at both ends some hilarious authoritarian form of government (Right-wing whatever you want here, usually fascism being the example), and on the other end of the circle is left wing authoritarian form of government. Authoritarians are authoritarians, regardless of what stripes they choose to wear. The only real difference between a neo-stalinist and a neo-nazi is which mustachioed 20th century dictator they choose to worship. That's why Nazi anarchists or Communist anarchists (which should both be oxymorons) can comfortably reconcile two seemingly totally opposite ideas. Authoritarians don't care about cognitive dissonance.

Forgall
Oct 16, 2012

What're you lookin' at?


I thought they were called tankies because they play world of tanks.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

Horseshoe theory is basically one of the ways centrists jerk themselves off for never actually believing in anything so I wouldn't take it too seriously.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 17, 2013


I mean it's not wrong, you just need to understand the additional caveat that the middle of the horseshoe is apathy the exact thing that lets authoritarians win.

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teen witch
Oct 9, 2012




One of the few pros of being Facebook friends with tankies is tankie infighting is this hilarious overblown nerd slapfest.

The cons are the massive amounts of off the wall apologia. I'd kill to never see another TeleSUR article in my future.

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