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SlayVus
Jul 10, 2009


Grimey Drawer

Agrajag posted:

Would playing a game that is installed on a 960 EVO encounter heat problems?

Heat problems would occur from like writing data constantly. Playing a game is sporadic, short reading of game files. Reading data is much less intensive than writing data.

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BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

Make your move...'cause mine's gonna be ugly.

Samsung will finally have some competition in the 2TB NVMe range: https://www.techpowerup.com/230215/...nand-up-to-2-tb

jeff8472
Dec 28, 2000

He died from watch-in-ass disease

Can somebody please tell me of my motherboard will work with an nvme m.2 ssd?

Gigabytes "supported" list hasnt been updated in almost a year

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/pr...spx?pid=5179#ov

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

Make your move...'cause mine's gonna be ugly.

jeff8472 posted:

Can somebody please tell me of my motherboard will work with an nvme m.2 ssd?

Gigabytes "supported" list hasnt been updated in almost a year

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/pr...spx?pid=5179#ov

It'll work, but it'll only deliver two lanes' worth of bandwidth. It's a limitation of the Z97 chipset. That's still going to be ~1250MB/sec, though.

In short, don't buy a 960 Pro or anything - an Intel 600p will be perfect.

LRADIKAL
Jun 10, 2001

A Very Useful Person



Fun Shoe

I've been building an expensive system for a co-worker, I told him to buy either an Intel 600p or a Samsung 960 nvme drive. Explained that the 600p is the slowest nvme but is p cheap compared to the expensive Samsung. He went with the 1TB 600p. It has a 32GB cache which seems so crazy. Point is, I can't find any benchmarks for the 1TB version of the drive. Has anyone seen a review or benched their own? Just curious, really.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

Make your move...'cause mine's gonna be ugly.

As I recall, the opening runs of the 1TB drives were all reserved/snapped up by OEMs, so no reviewer could get their hands on one before they became 'old news.'

jeff8472
Dec 28, 2000

He died from watch-in-ass disease

Thanks BIG HEADLINE!

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

Make your move...'cause mine's gonna be ugly.

jeff8472 posted:

Thanks BIG HEADLINE!

No problem - I'm just going off the fact that it claims the M.2 slot on your board supports up to 10Gb bandwidth, which works out to 1250MB/sec.

TimeWaster
Nov 1, 2011


So just for the dummies (me), is it right to conclude, for basic computing/gaming, that there's currently no reason to pay the extra to have a NVMe-based SSD over a SATA-based SSD because the real world time difference in software function (e.g., startup times, load times, file access, etc.) is minimal?

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

Make your move...'cause mine's gonna be ugly.

TimeWaster posted:

So just for the dummies (me), is it right to conclude, for basic computing/gaming, that there's currently no reason to pay the extra to have a NVMe-based SSD over a SATA-based SSD because the real world time difference in software function (e.g., startup times, load times, file access, etc.) is minimal?

They actually do a much better job of processing small files than SATA SSDs, and you will notice a speed up of a few seconds on boot. In a few months' time, the price of NVMe drives will decrease as more options become available.

The Electronaut
May 10, 2009


Has there been any news on MyDigitalSSD's 960 GB BPX release date?

Ika
Dec 30, 2004
Pure insanity



Potato Salad posted:

If you're loading that thing full bore continuously for more than 7s, though, you've got a fairly heroic use case. 960 EVOs fixed this issue somewhat with the Polaris controller and a minor heat-spreading feature. I'm not aware of throttling being an issue in the real world on high-quality nvme for home, game, and productivity users. Let me know if you find a good case though.

I don't know how to check for thermal throttling, but I use mine as a scratch drive for 30gb+ sparse matrices. Block transposing one of those is IO bound and takes several minutes.

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011



My Windows 10 PC just did a thing where it rebooted after booting on and then told me something like "we need to restore from a recovery drive ..." I rebooted the computer a few times and eventually it started up so here I am. I thought it might be a SSD issue but Samsung Magician says the drive health status is good. Is there a way I can put the SSD through more rigorous testing to make sure it's not gonna fail on me? I'm not worried about the data on it, just want to figure out what went wrong so I can fix it before it becomes a problem.

td4guy
Jun 13, 2005

I always hated that guy.



Apparently some MSI motherboards come with a gimmicky heatspreader to help lower the temperature of your M.2 NVMe SSD. It turns out they're poorly designed and actually increase the temperatures slightly. Good job, MSI.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2...es-temperatures

thebigcow
Jan 3, 2001

Bully!

I'm surprised no one sells heat spreader and fan kits for m.2 drives.

repiv
Aug 13, 2009



College Slice

thebigcow posted:

I'm surprised no one sells heat spreader and fan kits for m.2 drives.

http://www.eteknix.com/can-now-watercool-m-2-drives

thebigcow
Jan 3, 2001

Bully!

I was picturing something like that with a blower fan and vents in the bracket.

1gnoirents
Jun 28, 2014

ASK ME ABOUT MY MICRO PENIS


Potato Salad posted:

Better pray the owning office isn't watching for that exact thing in system center.

"Excuse me, between 5pm Tuesday and 8am Wednesday someone hosed with tpm, there is a chassis intrusion and there's a new drive in the device."

"Holy poo poo someone broke into my home?"

"Looks like it, hey, don't worry, I'm taking the laptop right now, FBI will see if they can print / look for hair and see who stole hardware and encrypted important data, we'll tell you if someone is identified"

I wasn't involved when that happened, and to my knowledge it hasn't happened again.

Lol sometimes after dealing with craigslist I do wonder what possible net I can get entangled in if it ends up being stolen or under what circumstances would I actually face inconvenience or trouble. I almost never consider used storage either for many normal reasons but then there is the added potential of what was actually on the drive.I used to buy and sell a whole lot of computer stuff on Craigslist (sadly enough, the main appeal is the average knowledge of what some computer part is worth is obviously lower on Craligslist) but sometimes I'd get a dirty feeling. This drive was definitely one of those times.

Oh well though, runs really great, which is surprise enough

BobHoward
Feb 13, 2012

The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull


td4guy posted:

Apparently some MSI motherboards come with a gimmicky heatspreader to help lower the temperature of your M.2 NVMe SSD. It turns out they're poorly designed and actually increase the temperatures slightly. Good job, MSI.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2...es-temperatures

You know those oversized RAM heatsinks you see on popular overclocker memory? Same deal. Actually heats the memory up a bit compared to no heatsink at all. Turns out that filling all the space between DIMMs with metal (blocking all possibility of airflow, either forced or convection) is not good, even if there are fins sticking out the top.

Agrajag
Jan 21, 2006

gat dang thats hot


BobHoward posted:

You know those oversized RAM heatsinks you see on popular overclocker memory? Same deal. Actually heats the memory up a bit compared to no heatsink at all. Turns out that filling all the space between DIMMs with metal (blocking all possibility of airflow, either forced or convection) is not good, even if there are fins sticking out the top.

i've seen some posts through google of people sticking on aftermarket heatsinks on m.2 NVME's, apparently those work pretty well.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

Yeah, like this:

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002






copper heatsink stickers work alright as well, as long as any air comes around

Agrajag
Jan 21, 2006

gat dang thats hot


any reputable stores to buy heatsinks that would fit a 960 NVME?

SlayVus
Jul 10, 2009


Grimey Drawer

Agrajag posted:

any reputable stores to buy heatsinks that would fit a 960 NVME?

I use these on my Titan XP. https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/s/ref=...nzotech+ramsink

You can find quite a few people online using them for 950 and 960 SSDs.

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

Anyone use smartctl in windows? Trying to figure out how to get it to tell me the health of nvme drives that aren't mounted to a drive letter. The documentation doesn't really help, it's very linux centric.

Alternatively any other command line based tools to do that for windows?

RocketSurgeon
Mar 2, 2008


Agrajag posted:

any reputable stores to buy heatsinks that would fit a 960 NVME?

Alphacool has a kit that would fit most any on the market. Not sure how well it works or where to get them in your socialist paradise of choice though.
https://www.alphacool.com/shop/-new...01-80mm-schwarz
the plates do seem like a thin piece of tin or aluminium. If im going for anything similar i guess ill just make one myself from copper or something.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

Nobody Cares




use Powershell and wmi

I *think* you can go by device instead of drive letter via a few pipes

Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Feb 3, 2017

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

Nobody Cares




http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarg...ll/smart-disks/

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

Awesome, thanks!

SlayVus
Jul 10, 2009


Grimey Drawer

So I think Intel Optane memory won't work in boards unless they specifically have a 22110 M.2 slot. All Z270 boards that are Intel Optane ready have at least 1 22110 M.2 slot and usually include a second 2280 M.2.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

Make your move...'cause mine's gonna be ugly.

SlayVus posted:

So I think Intel Optane memory won't work in boards unless they specifically have a 22110 M.2 slot. All Z270 boards that are Intel Optane ready have at least 1 22110 M.2 slot and usually include a second 2280 M.2.

People who buys ASRock's ~Supercarrier~ flagship board might be pissed, then - it has three M.2 slots, but all are 2280 only.

metallicaeg
Nov 28, 2005

Evil Red Wings Owner Wario Lemieux Steals Stanley Cup


BIG HEADLINE posted:

People who buy ASRock's ~Supercarrier~ flagship boards might be pissed, then - it has three M.2 slots, but all are 2280 only.

If you're dumping $400 on a motherboard and don't have that thing researched out to hell and back before purchasing, I can't feel sorry for you if you somehow miss that.

SlayVus
Jul 10, 2009


Grimey Drawer

BIG HEADLINE posted:

People who buys ASRock's ~Supercarrier~ flagship board might be pissed, then - it has three M.2 slots, but all are 2280 only.

I may be wrong, ASRock claims that board is Intel Optane ready. Maybe they'll have 22110 versions with more storage?

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

What did I miss. Why does Optane need to be 22110?

Agrajag
Jan 21, 2006

gat dang thats hot


SlayVus posted:

So I think Intel Optane memory won't work in boards unless they specifically have a 22110 M.2 slot. All Z270 boards that are Intel Optane ready have at least 1 22110 M.2 slot and usually include a second 2280 M.2.

Is Intel Optane memory automatically enabled if I built my pc with an Intel 600p boot drive? I still don't exactly know what the heck it is or how to enable it or if it is enabled or whatever.

The website for my board does say it has Intel Optane memory.
https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/TUF-Z270-MARK-2/

Agrajag fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Feb 4, 2017

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

Have Optane m.2 pricing/capacities been revealed?

In all the promo shots from Intel I've seen it looks like 2280 length but promo shots aren't necessarily the real deal of course.

Agrajag
Jan 21, 2006

gat dang thats hot


BIG HEADLINE posted:

People who buys ASRock's ~Supercarrier~ flagship board might be pissed, then - it has three M.2 slots, but all are 2280 only.

Ok, someone please explain wth is the point of this if it doesn't even work in Win10? I have to assume most anyone building a new pc is going to be using Windows 10 in 2017.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z270...rrier/index.asp

quote:

Dual Intel® LAN
Users are able to connect two LAN cables to this motherboard's rear I/O. Dual LAN with Teaming function enabled on this motherboard allows two single connections to act as one single connection for twice the transmission bandwidth, making data transmission more effective.
* Teaming is not supported with Windows® 10.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

Just wear the fucking mask, Bob


Agrajag posted:

Ok, someone please explain wth is the point of this if it doesn't even work in Win10? I have to assume most anyone building a new pc is going to be using Windows 10 in 2017.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z270...rrier/index.asp

Network teaming isn't supported but ethernet ports are. 99.99% of people aren't going to benefit from it anyway.

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

Teaming is supported in more sever oriented OSes like windows server 2012/2016 and probably linux too.

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PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless


My old P5Q Premium has 4 Ethernet ports.

I keep telling myself I'll use it as a router someday.

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