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eating only apples posted:Oh this is cool, I didn't see this coming. No, of course not. Why on earth would would you think that? From inside the tower, the Strawberry door leads to Strawberry House, and the Grape door leads to Grape House. Go back and read the tour of the fun house updates again. quote:The door to Strawberry is chained locked from the Grape side. How does someone from the Grape side chain the doors then enter, using the elevator to return to Strawberry? Do you think that the doors themselves move between Grape and Strawberry? Isn't it more likely that they're separate doors, with a space between that's used as the (silent, unmoving) elevator? Here's how it works: When the killer is setting up the locked rooms (presumably after the killing), The elevator is parked at Grape House. The tower is open on the G.H. side and closed on the S.H. side. The killer chains up the doors leading from the tower to S.H., and takes the elevator from G.H. to S.H. The killer, now in S.H. breaks the elevator, and breaks the button in S.H. which normally opens the doors to the tower (and closes the tower door going to G.H). This is likely done to make it seem like the killer must be in Grape House, because that's the house connected to the crime scene and the Strawberry House can't get to there. quote:(there is no elevator, they all note how quiet and still it is. It's just a space between the two towers, right?) It's an "elevator" which goes horizontally, not vertically, but I think it has to exist. The two houses are not the same house, we know this because people can be in both houses at the same time without encountering each other. They step inside and do not move and end up at the other side. Barring silent teleporter technology, I think the "elevator" room has to move.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:No, of course not. Why on earth would would you think that? From inside the tower, the Strawberry door leads to Strawberry House, and the Grape door leads to Grape House. Go back and read the tour of the fun house updates again. Typo, sorry. Stabbey_the_Clown posted:When the killer is setting up the locked rooms (presumably after the killing), The elevator is parked at Grape House. The tower is open on the G.H. side and closed on the S.H. side. The killer chains up the doors leading from the tower to S.H., and takes the elevator from G.H. to S.H. The killer, now in S.H. breaks the elevator, and breaks the button in S.H. which normally opens the doors to the tower (and closes the tower door going to G.H). I get it. Thanks.
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...it'd be interesting if this carried through to the class trial. Then you'd be deciding who to back, like, deliberately.
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Suddenly controlling Nagito and seeing his thoughts here is a pretty great moment, it really caught me off guard when I was playing.
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Is this what the V3 demo spoiled?
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No.
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You all fell for the decoy protagonist! Clearly Nagito is the real hero of this story. Real heros offer to help with murder, right?
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Qrr posted:Real heros offer to help with murder, right? Only Hitler murder.
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Oh boy a new POV! Oh no it's Naegi ![]() Stabbey_the_Clown posted:- I have no reason to think that the tower rotates. It might, this used to be a Fun House, but I have seen nothing to support the idea that it does. There are two sets of doors, not one set, so there's no reason for this to rotate. On the other hand, I don't have any idea how Nekomaru was killed, and it clearly wasn't with the unused decoy hammer. I'm betting he was done in with the tower mechanism itself, since Mechomaru did say that he'd be able to be in the room while it transformed if he was in sleep mode. Probably some sort of rube goldberg mechanism that involved using the pillars weights to decapitate him.
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I have a feeling that Souda's obsession is going to be the red herring this chapter. Its just too drat obvious.
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It pretty much has to be Souda now, doesn't it? Seems pretty complicated for anyone else to rig up, and as the only one who can fix the elevator he can control the investigation.
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I don't know about that... Somebody mentioned how odd it was upthread that Gundam made a point of having one of his hamsters hit a button, and I could absolutely see that coming back into play. The other thing about Gundam is that it gives him the ability to essentially "be" in 5 places at once by divvying out menial tasks to his hamsters, maybe even including handling rope and tying knots. Hamster Magic could even conceivably break the elevator. I would have thought all of that was ridiculous except for the fact that we got that scene with Gundam ordering a hamster around. And come to think of it, I'm not recalling some other less significant times in the past where he's had them do things for him. tl;dr: Not sure exactly how he would have pulled it off, but I'm feeling suspicious about Gundam so far.
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Hmm...I feel like we're not quite on the same wavelength... Well, it is what it is. There's no way you guys will ever be on the same wavelength as trash like me. Hmhmhm... Looks like this is leading to an interesting development. ![]() ![]() ![]() This is the clock everyone's been talking about, right...? Hmm, I never knew this clock had an alarm function. The alarm is set to 5:30 a.m... That probably means something. ![]() ![]() It's the monitor used to communicate with us... How much longer until Monokuma appears on this screen? Until then, we need to collect all the clues that will solve this case. So we can be useful for true hope... ![]() ![]() Just as I thought, this telephone is connected to Grape House. If a means of communication was prepared, it's as if something like this was expected to happen... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I understand why the school would immortalize such an important person in a portrait... But why would they put it in a place like this? What are they trying to show to me? ![]() ![]() They're probably on the other side of this security camera...watching everything. Even though we're suffering from despair, they're watching everyone fight beautifully for hope! ...In a way, I'm jealous. They get to see things we don't even know about... They get to see the full spectrum of hope...! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() And I thought you were reminiscing about Peko or something... But that can't be, right? After all, you already know how pointless it is to cling to memories of the dead. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() *Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing...!* ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() *KA-BLAM!* ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Anyway...it seems there's no doubt that what you guys just told me is a very important clue... The wall clock alarm you heard first...and the rumbling noise that came right after... Now then, how do these noises relate to this case? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Hmm, it might be too soon to declare that just yet. We can't be certain unless we first clear up the mystery surrounding that rumbling noise. Hmm, a rumbling noise, huh... Did something heavy fall over or something? Also... Based on what everyone just told me, there's another thing I'm curious about... You all heard the alarm clock in the lounge go off just before the rumble... What do you suppose that means? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() And so Kazuichi ran down the stairs, complaining for some reason. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ...Now then, here comes the main event. There's only one thing I can do for them... I can go to that place for everyone's sake. I can't let them face that danger... I must be the pariah who goes in their place. ![]() That's it... I should investigate one more time before I head over there. ![]() Just in case, it might be good to check and make sure they're really blocked off... ![]() ![]() ![]() There's a lot of playground equipment here... Everyone would scold me if they caught me playing with it. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() If I press the button next to the elevator, the door should open so I can ride it... But nothing happens when I press it... Looks like it's definitely broken. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() It's the Strawberry Hall door that leads to the tower... ![]() The button is broken. There's no way it'll open... As I recall, based on what Hajime told Fuyuhiko over the phone... The other side of this door is also barred with chains. They must've been really cautious to go to the trouble of barring the door from both sides... ...Something about that seems a little suspicious. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Just as I thought... There's no mistaking it... The elevator and Strawberry Hall door look like they're completely broken. I didn't expect the contact elevator to be disabled from Grape House... As long as it's disabled, there's no way to move between houses... Which means the person who disabled the elevator would be stuck at Grape House. That person... They should still be at Grape House, but... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() The Final Dead Room... Only those who win the Life-Threatening Game contained within will reach the Octagon... And inside the Octagon... ![]() There's no doubt Nekomaru's killer has been to that place. No matter where I search...there are no weapons anywhere in this building. Regardless of the weapon used to kill Nekomaru, the killer must've obtained it there... ![]() Also...unlike everyone else, I don't mind dying at all. That's all the more reason why...I should go.
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Nagito is passively trolling people. I really enjoyed this part. And it shows you that Nagito is very perceptive. So is Chiaki.
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- Who set the alarm? Suspicious. It's as if the killer wanted to get everyone to the lounge. To create an alibi? - Okay. So the elevator panel is broken in Grape House, AND the is stuck at Grape House too. This new information changes my theory. Sort of. My theory was basically that the killer is on whichever side the elevator is on. I'll need to think about this. ... The button could be broken on Strawberry House side, then the elevator taken to Grape House, where the safety panel was tampered with, the tower is set to Grape House and the door to Strawberry House is chained shut. - I definitely agree that there is something a bit odd about the door being chained shut and the button broken. - Part of me hopes that this isn't suicide because it would be repeating the first game, but it might actually fit for a coach to do it for his team. - I still have no solid theories, so I'm enjoying this. For now.
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Blademaster_Aio posted:Nagito is passively trolling people. I mean, there's a reason everyone is doing him favors even though he's unstable and potentially batting for the other team.
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If we assume that Nagito didn't hear the alarm because, as mentioned previously, the deluxe rooms are soundproofed, then I think we're currently missing information on why Gundham was up? Checking back he had the other deluxe room and consequently shouldn't have been woken by it either if he was there.
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Nagito loving with everyone is never not the best thing.
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Well, if anybody's going to win the life-threatening game, it's the luckiest boy. Makes sense.
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I'm going to hold off on further speculation until the compass thing pans out. I bet it's crucial.
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FPzero: I assume Hinata just stops you if you try using the elevator right before going to Grape Tower and discovering the body? It doesn't look any different in the screenshots but I guess any tampering would've been behind the safety panel.
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I assume he does but I didn't check or anything. There are a lot of plot locks during the game that I just don't bother showing off. Even on the first day they did Tai Chi, I'm certain Hajime would just say he can't afford to take the time to use the elevator if you went there.
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Okay so I think I figured it out. The killer is Gundham. He asked Mechamaru to meet him in the tower room, then deactivated him with the sleepy time button (either convincing or forcing him). Then he set up things, somehow (possibly with Mechamaru's help?), so that a column would fall on top of Mechamaru's head when the tower room is moved; he set the alarm clock so it would ring and attract the other boys, and when the alarm clock goes off Gundham has one of his hamsters push the button, moving the room from strawberry to grape, and goes to the lobby, so he's present when the others hear the loud noise, thus establishing an alibi. Then when the others go back to sleep Gundham takes the elevator to the strawberry side, goes into the tower, drops several fake clues and moves the body (the body is lying on top of the column fragments) to futz things up, chains up the door, goes back to strawberry, sends the elevator back (hamsters!), smashes the button, and goes back to sleep. I'm still not clear on some details, but I think that's mostly it. (We still have some investigation to go through to however, so this might all be disproven in the next update ![]() e. Removed spoiler tags. Mikl fucked around with this message at 03:03 on Sep 17, 2017 |
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Mikl posted:Okay so I think I figured it out. Spoiled, but it's just my speculation. I kinda like this theory. Could also bring into play how he was present if he set things up and had his Hamsters carry out the deed for him somehow.
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My opinions on that theory should be visible in the unspoiled killer guesses. Gundham is going to be so sad after those little murderers get the punishment. ![]()
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It is only a spoiler if people who have actually played the game start weighing in on the trial before it is finished.
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FoolyCharged posted:My opinions on that theory should be visible in the unspoiled killer guesses. Well, the motive would indeed be starvation, but not the starvation we expected to be the motive.
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Hunt11 posted:It is only a spoiler if people who have actually played the game start weighing in on the trial before it is finished. I think they meant the spoiler tags when they referred to 'the unspoiled'.
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Gonna restate this, and this is general LP policy unless a thread OP says otherwise; If you are earnestly speculating and do not know the plot of the game there is no need to spoiler tag your speculation, no matter how certain you are of your theory.
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Fedule posted:Gonna restate this, and this is general LP policy unless a thread OP says otherwise; Got it, I'll unspoil my post then.
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![]() The Archives is one of only two remaining escape rooms in the game! Sigma (6BP, Yellow Pair) and Luna (5BP, Yellow Pair) are stuck in here with Clover (6BP, Cyan Solo). Archives is not a complicated room, or a long one, or one very full of meaningful content. It is, however, high on a lot of peoples' lists of unfavourites, for one very particular reason that we will get to. This seems an obvious start. It says "Management Number." What do you think it means? Well, pretty much the only thing anyone's gonna manage in this room is books... It's got the letters A, B, C, and D, and then the numbers 1 through 8 running vertically. Maybe it's referring to the bookshelves in front of us? Hm... Well, the bookshelf has 8 rows, and so does this chart. There's a narrow bookshelf on either side, and wider ones in the middle. Yes, they're shaped just like the diagrams on the chart. Hey, there's a blue slot here. You think we're supposed to put something in it? It's an awfully small hole... What would we be putting in it? There comes a point where this not being obvious stops being believable. But here we are. Let's take a little spin, literally, around the room. Note the safe on the floor by the exit door. It's surprisingly easy to-- ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Aw man. Must be some morphic resonance interfering with my jumps. Why would our LPs be resonating though? ![]() Well, whatever. I'll just go try this again, then. ![]() ![]() ![]() FPzero fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Sep 17, 2017 |
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![]() What even is going on here.
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![]() ... FPZero, I think I love you.
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I thought for a full half minute at the start that you were admitting to being Fedule's alt ![]()
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For a second there, I thought I clicked the wrong LP.
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I love you guys for this.
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# ? Jan 23, 2021 21:36 |
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I knew it! I knew that Monokuma was really Zero the Rabbit! IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!
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