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Yolomon Wayne posted:BF1 is an insult to everyone who ever walked by a history book and cannot be enjoyed by anyone who should also be allowed to vote or drive a car. Battlefield games aren't really meant to be superrealistic, more like a vaguely history flavored fps. I say this as someone with a history degree. Everyone huddling in trenches hoping not to get blown up and occasionally getting mown down by machine guns isn't really fun gameplay. I like what they did with it though.
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Breetai posted:No poo poo: the dev diaries that Factorio does are hands-down some of the best forms of REAL open development I've ever seen. They talk about achievable goals in real terms, and when talking about bugs, blockers, and technological challenges they provide excellent detail and give it in easily digestible terms even for a layman, but without sounding dumbed down. Factorio amazes me. Every Friday they release what they are working on and they usually describe how they solve a game crippling bug. No video produced bullshit.
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Maldoror posted:what is wrong with the kitty hopefully nothing  another image i found by googling.
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Dark Off posted:
I always like watching Ben when he watches wing commander THE movie.
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xXAdmiralBekHarXx posted:Battlefield games aren't really meant to be superrealistic, more like a vaguely history flavored fps. I say this as someone with a history degree. Agree with this. Authenticity is only really relevant if the developers make a claim that they strive for a realistic interpretation of WWI (DICE hasn't) OR if the subject is of such a politicially controversial nature that any deviation from the truth would be incredibly ill advised. Like, DICE knew better than to bring in the Armenian genocide into the mix, since it wouldn't add any improvements to the experience. Prototype guns barely ever used can do just that, though!
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xXAdmiralBekHarXx posted:Battlefield games aren't really meant to be superrealistic, more like a vaguely history flavored fps. I say this as someone with a history degree. No, the fact that the 2 big players, France and Russia weren't in the game is a shame but concur with the anglosphère propaganda for the 20th century. Like the general false history that UK was a relevant country in WWII when they disappeared after letting the french and belgian fight and die at dunkerque.
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Mr.Tophat posted:If I was going to trust anyone to do a season pass correctly, it would be Nintendo. It's disgusting.
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France and Russia are in now they just separated them out to have themed dlcs instead of generic map packs. Not out of any disrespect. They started out with brits, ottomans,germans,austros,italians, and americans. Having an austro or italian themed dlc wouldnt be as compelling and their main audience is english speaking people so they put them in for launch.
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xXAdmiralBekHarXx posted:Battlefield games aren't really meant to be superrealistic, more like a vaguely history flavored fps. I say this as someone with a history degree. If you want to make a game in which you play a literal space marine though, WW1 maybe isnt the ideal setting. if you want big tank battles, a conflict in which one side didnt believe in tanks isnt ideal either, and giving them 700 "captured" french tanks to shoot as a british is just retarded. Dont get me started at hunting Flak-trucks in a biplane after downing literally twice the entire german airforce.
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Zzr posted:Like the general false history that UK was a relevant country in WWII when they disappeared after letting the french and belgian fight and die at dunkerque. Pretty sure it's spelled "Dunkirk". 
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xXAdmiralBekHarXx posted:Its one of those things where everytime you read it you discover new horrible and sickening truths. The sickening truths triples every second.
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Sandweed posted:The sickening truths triples every second. Only after a 52 hour operation where your heart is ground with glass.
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Yolomon Wayne posted:If you want to make a game in which you play a literal space marine though, WW1 maybe isnt the ideal setting. lol @ this post
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xXAdmiralBekHarXx posted:
They actually made that game. It's called Verdun and it's only fun if you loving hate yourself. Battlefield 1 let its freak flag fly, and it ended up being pretty fun so who cares? Or should we also be making GBS threads on Wolfenstein because it turns out Hitler wasn't actually a robot?
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Looks like someone is getting mad about video games. We only laugh about video games in this thread friend.
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Zzr posted:No, the fact that the 2 big players, France and Russia weren't in the game is a shame but concur with the anglosphère propaganda for the 20th century. Like the general false history that UK was a relevant country in WWII when they disappeared after letting the french and belgian fight and die at dunkerque. Ah yes the old D-Day Dodger myth, let's just forgot the entirety of the Burma, North Africa and Italy campaigns shall we... The UK was pretty tapped out, manpower wise, fighting in those fronts. Hell the veterans from the Italian campaign were so pissed about this attitude, that they even wrote a song about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcFC57nT0xY (and yes I am very aware of what a hell hole the eastern Russian front was, and that it is not remembered more often, other than Stalingrad, is a crying shame) Codezombie fucked around with this message at 12:36 on Sep 5, 2017 |
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Beet Wagon posted:They actually made that game. It's called Verdun and it's only fun if you loving hate yourself. Battlefield 1 let its freak flag fly, and it ended up being pretty fun so who cares? Or should we also be making GBS threads on Wolfenstein because it turns out Hitler wasn't actually a robot? The main highlight of the Battlefield series is that video of the guy going straight up in his jet, ejecting, sniping the pilot of the jet following him, then managing to get back into his jet and fly away. Its focus is on fun and mayham but just with actual weapons.
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So how about that space sim by Hairy Robberts, eh?
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Mne nravitsya posted:Whatever you need to say to make yourself feel better, but honestly, go get a job at Rockstar for example and tell me how much they want to listen to your dreams. This line of work ruins idealists who think they know all the answers to all the problems, even though they haven't worked a day in it, and only have a very meta view. Making business software is not like making games, and your foolish to think they are the same. We have a lot of divorce, a lot of unemployment, and a lot of companies who promise the world and then yank it all back out from under you when you join. We also have a lot of first weekers who join on and think that they can change the whole project with their dreams. Sorry to shatter your illusions of what you think the game industry is. If you want to change it and show us all how it's done: please feel free to start your own 200+ Person company and prove us all wrong. Here's the sheep defending the farmer who slaughters him. I worked in the gaming industry so I don't need any myopic lectures from you. All I'm saying is that YOU are the problem with the gaming industry. You're the one that not only takes it, but comes in here and defends it as some kind of status quo we're supposed to all sit here and accept.
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tuo posted:So how about that space sim by Hairy Robberts, eh? Yer a wizzard Hairy...
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tuo posted:So how about that space sim by Hairy Robberts, eh? One of those things you have to drink it all in before forming an opinion.
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Yolomon Wayne posted:BF1 is an insult to everyone who ever walked by a history book and cannot be enjoyed by anyone who should also be allowed to vote or drive a car. So it's a battfield game. It's also a pretty darn competent large-team shooter, in spite on the series' insistence on airlording.
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The Titanic posted:You're thinking this sort of behavior is just relegated to game development. But Nike, Apple, and the example scenarios you are pulling from have a product and customers willing to pay for them. If some employee said "wow our technology stack is a mess" everyone would say "yeah but the site works great in my experience" Also I think there are very few people clamoring for a public "I'm John Doe in the finance department and working with Chris is a nightmare." though they are pretty fun. More along the lines of TheAgent's anonymised "Chris came in last week and demanded refactoring on 4 different ships that were previously flyable. Now I have to drop everything I was working on, this seems backwards." Mr.Tophat posted:I'm serious, I scarcely posted at all before this thread. I am grateful to Chris Roberts. I am indebted. And I pay him back with every bout of laughter that overwhelms me. Where I once read posts, I now just post. Where there was once respect, there is now irreverence. Where there was once, "I'm not sure when it'll be finished," there is now, "Two weeks." 
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I thought that scene where the guy in blue armor fighting the guy in bloody armor with an electric-sparking hammer while falling from a collapsing tower was unrealistic because they were not wearing helmets. Then again, if the greenskin warboss was wearing a helmet during that boss fight, it would have been realistic but way too long for a game, so I can understand the need to balance historical realism with fun.
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52 days until Citizen Con.
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We're coming up on the 13th anniversary of ea_spouse. It's fun watching this thread (and the games industry as a whole!) painstakingly rediscover why unions exist. e: Nice work everyone, I didn't even notice at the time that we were celebrating Labor Day ITT with a long debate about lovely employment practices.
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xXAdmiralBekHarXx posted:The main highlight of the Battlefield series is that video of the guy going straight up in his jet, ejecting, sniping the pilot of the jet following him, then managing to get back into his jet and fly away. gently caress you, video games should be boring. The BF series is the most consistently fun multiplayer FPS series and that's why I hate it.
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AP posted:52 days until Citizen Con. I hope Chambers finally finds peace sometime in the future. Roberts is riding him hard and put him up wet.
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DoctorStrangelove posted:gently caress you, video games should be boring. The BF series is the most consistently fun multiplayer FPS series and that's why I hate it. Game is literally unplayable because you just glitch into your cockpit instead of a 30 second boarding/sitting down/stimpiring process.
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It strikes me as funny that we're arguing over whether or not a Battlefield game is historically accurate. Not because that's a silly thing to argue about, but because that's one of the only things to argue about. In an era where big evil publishers ruin games according to so many people, EA and DICE put out a compelling shooter that appealed to fans of the series and delivered exactly what you'd expect. There's not really any big surprises in quality, despite a bunch of new "stuff" being added. You either like the general Battlefield experience in which case you'll enjoy BF1 or you don't, and you won't. It's such a stark contrast to something like Star Marine. After streaming it for you guys a bunch, I felt compelled to do a big long effortpost on my problems with it, as someone who pretty frequently plays FPS games. The problem was that the game (mode) is so flawed at every level that it's almost impossible to know where to start, or how deep to dig. I was thinking about how clunky the movement feels, and how/why something like that even happened in what is essentially a Crysis mod. I couldn't really figure it out until it dawned on me that it probably is intentional - that's how Chris thinks space marine armor should move. I'd bet actual human money he rolled through the shop and said "No, slower, more methodic cause they're in big fuckoff armor, but not like Halo because it's not cinematic," and that's the kind of poo poo that actually boils my brain when I think about Star Citizen.
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i think bf is one of better AAA games. I still would not buy it. because frankly it seems like expansion pack to previous games. with 60$ price tag. I do understand that game companies have to release something to keep 100's of employees working. I just wish they would dare to take more risks. you cant really justify 60$ price tag on game that brings nothing new to genre. also im not going to install origin because of it  
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Dark Off posted:i think bf is one of better AAA games. Problem is doing stuff that's new and revolutionary is risky. Lots of things that are new simply suck. And all of a sudden a 100 people are out of a job. Also doing things that are new are far more expensive and complicated to do than in the past as games are now far more complex.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMN4IriekT0&t=233s Question: How many polygons are in a typical armor set? Answer: Between 50,000 and 60,000. Don't know if that number ends up in game or not.
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Beet Wagon posted:It strikes me as funny that we're arguing over whether or not a Battlefield game is historically accurate. Why would you buy and play a game set specifically in world war 1, if its not anything like world war 1 though? Its not like theres a shortage on space marine or ww2 shooters out there.
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doingitwrong posted:We're coming up on the 13th anniversary of ea_spouse. It's fun watching this thread (and the games industry as a whole!) painstakingly rediscover why unions exist. https://twitter.com/buttpraxis/status/904845425605091328 Murder the bourgeoisie.
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Sandweed posted:https://twitter.com/buttpraxis/status/904845425605091328 No see it's just that a greater fraction of the population is in the top 10% so unions aren't needed anymore
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Yolomon Wayne posted:Why would you buy and play a game set specifically in world war 1, if its not anything like world war 1 though? Because it's fun.
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Yolomon Wayne posted:Why would you buy and play a game set specifically in world war 1, if its not anything like world war 1 though? Because its the latest game and its good. Sound and level design is spectacular. Shooting mechanics are good as always. That its set in WWI is just the flavor don't sweat it.
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