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monkeytek
Jun 7, 2010

It wasn't an ELE that wiped out the backer funds. It was Tristan Timothy Taylor.

Pssst, Cymelion look up Madoff, ENRON and Theranos as to scams, please report your findings.

Sorry no catte tax. Just look at a cat when it stares at you, every time a cat looks at you it is making the mental calculation if it can kill and eat you. Every.drat.time

monkeytek fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Sep 10, 2018

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skaboomizzy
Nov 12, 2003

There is nothing I want to be. There is nothing I want to do.
I don't even have an image of what I want to be. I have nothing. All that exists is zero.
I will cover your taxxe

Dementropy
Aug 23, 2010




AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

Where's the uhhh... Where's the ummmmm... the... you know.... gameplay???

Having an NPC rasp at you in a poorly acted voice is not gameplay.

Morphix
May 21, 2003

by Reene
https://i.imgur.com/GOS8OYb.gifv
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lBmNXMxW-4

watch the first 30 seconds with music to get the full effect

looks like Roberts is aping The Shining. What this means for Star Citizen, or how this communicates a healthy and normal project, that I'm not sure about

Dementropy
Aug 23, 2010




Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe

“...but then there’s the chance glimpse of a coke machine, or a brief scent of Davidoff Blue Water, and it’s though I’m whisked back to that weekend in Tuscany, the promises of eternity and Derek’s force-of-nature tenacity.”

Edit. I sense regret in Cymelion. ‘Apathy’ is not a positive word.

Hav fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Sep 10, 2018

Morphix
May 21, 2003

by Reene

if you told me there exists a fallout fan that played 1 and 2 when they came out, has that context, and than sat through 3, enjoying that somehow beyond the novelty of a new fallout game, played vegas, somehow enjoyed 4, and is only mad now at 76

i wouldn't believe you, yet the citizens always surprise with their terribly confused tastes

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



So CIG trying to license their poo poo to other markets, particularly Asia because its like the only market they haven't tapped yet. Yeah thats going to work great with China now that they are cracking down on corporations bringing in new games to the market and severely limiting the amount of time people can put into games in the first place.

Its also going to work great in korea et al where the PC gaming market is incredibly hard to penetrate and most people playing in cafes instead of their homes

Both which usually have a pay by the hour thing, and its going to be great paying for like 3 hours of time to get like 10 minutes of gameplay out of it

Shadowlyger
Nov 5, 2009

ElvUI super fan at your service!

Ask me any and all questions about UI customization via PM

Cao Ni Ma posted:

So CIG trying to license their poo poo to other markets, particularly Asia because its like the only market they haven't tapped yet. Yeah thats going to work great with China now that they are cracking down on corporations bringing in new games to the market and severely limiting the amount of time people can put into games in the first place.

Its also going to work great in korea et al where the PC gaming market is incredibly hard to penetrate and most people playing in cafes instead of their homes

Both which usually have a pay by the hour thing, and its going to be great paying for like 3 hours of time to get like 10 minutes of gameplay out of it

What's going to happen is they'll show it in China, and then, as is standard, some Chinese developer will produce a lovely knockoff of it.

But since Star Citizen's poo poo Factor is already maxed out, it will overflow and the knockoff will wind up being the best game ever made.

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

Shadowlyger posted:

some Chinese developer will produce a lovely knockoff of it.



Geesus, that will be impressive.

Liquid Dinosaur
Dec 16, 2011

by Smythe
So re: the JFK assassinations. That was all before my time, and I'm no conspiracy enthusiast, but what what I've always wondered is while I understand Lee Harvey Oswald absolutely could have taken the shots in the place he did (I tried JFK: Reloaded...), what about the other conspiracies re: was Oswald working for anyone, and then perp-walking him in public where he could be conveniently shot before he could really be interrogated.

By all means feel free to say there's nothing to any of this.

Mr Fronts
Jan 31, 2016

Yo! The Mafia supports you. But don't tell no one. Spread the word.

Star Citizer: You should learn apathy and move on

Citcon
Aug 31, 2018

by R. Guyovich

Liquid Dinosaur posted:

So re: the JFK assassinations. That was all before my time, and I'm no conspiracy enthusiast, but what what I've always wondered is while I understand Lee Harvey Oswald absolutely could have taken the shots in the place he did (I tried JFK: Reloaded...), what about the other conspiracies re: was Oswald working for anyone, and then perp-walking him in public where he could be conveniently shot before he could really be interrogated.

By all means feel free to say there's nothing to any of this.

He met several times with the Soviets in the Mexican embassy thats proven by released US files. But that doesn't prove they told him to do it or anything. But that also means people who claim conspiracy aren't exactly kooks. We won't ever know really its not in the US's interest to publicize that the USSR could kill presidents at will or it could have just been a lone wolf thing.

AngusPodgorny
Jun 3, 2004

Please to be restful, it is only a puffin that has from the puffin place outbroken.
When you're sitting on a story as rich and engaging as Squadron 42, you're going to way to leverage it by licensing it out for movies, books, TV shows, toys, cell phone games, and comic books. The release must be getting close if they're trying to line up tie-in products!

Or maybe they want to trick Tencent into taking the company off their hands, who knows.

radd
Jun 16, 2001

Super Spacefortress

Shadowlyger posted:

What's going to happen is they'll show it in China, and then, as is standard, some Chinese developer will produce a lovely knockoff of it.

But since Star Citizen's poo poo Factor is already maxed out, it will overflow and the knockoff will wind up being the best game ever made.

The Civilisation Gandhi of game development.

Scruffpuff
Dec 23, 2015

Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?

Liquid Dinosaur posted:

So re: the JFK assassinations. That was all before my time, and I'm no conspiracy enthusiast, but what what I've always wondered is while I understand Lee Harvey Oswald absolutely could have taken the shots in the place he did (I tried JFK: Reloaded...), what about the other conspiracies re: was Oswald working for anyone, and then perp-walking him in public where he could be conveniently shot before he could really be interrogated.

By all means feel free to say there's nothing to any of this.

I think the core of conspiracy theories is a fusion of the following human characteristics:

1) Being on the "inside," being "woke," believing you're an elite group who can "see the truth" makes people feel smart and part of something.
2) Understanding that yes, people can walk into a kindergarten and gun down children is too dark and evil to comprehend - believing a conspiracy does less damage to the soul.
3) Sane people cannot comprehend insanity. They try to fit illogical and insane actions into a framework that makes logical sense to them.

Fit all three together and you realize you can't break through the shell without changing human nature. The alternative is for a person to sit down, look at themselves and realize, "I'm not that smart or special, there is real evil out there, and sometimes poo poo happens and there's no reason." For some people, that's some Cthulu-level degradation of sanity.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



"I, a fan of all things Fallout" ~fails to mention Fallout Tactics and Fallout Brotherhood~

Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015






oh hey geez wow I'm super owned by this, because I only watched the first ten seconds of the video and not the next five

Liquid Dinosaur
Dec 16, 2011

by Smythe

Scruffpuff posted:

I think the core of conspiracy theories is a fusion of the following human characteristics:

1) Being on the "inside," being "woke," believing you're an elite group who can "see the truth" makes people feel smart and part of something.
2) Understanding that yes, people can walk into a kindergarten and gun down children is too dark and evil to comprehend - believing a conspiracy does less damage to the soul.
3) Sane people cannot comprehend insanity. They try to fit illogical and insane actions into a framework that makes logical sense to them.

Fit all three together and you realize you can't break through the shell without changing human nature. The alternative is for a person to sit down, look at themselves and realize, "I'm not that smart or special, there is real evil out there, and sometimes poo poo happens and there's no reason." For some people, that's some Cthulu-level degradation of sanity.

Yeah, checks out. The reason I'm more naturally willing to entertain the idea that LHO was working for someone is that unlike shooting up some school children, or pretending the Earth is flat (and apparently doing so for a few thousand years, at least) "kill the US President" is a plan that would totally have real and direct benefit to various parties. But Citcon is right: even if it happened like that, we'd NEVER know. And I'm honestly not losing a lot of sleep about it.


Back on topic: What's this with CIG trying to export the game to China?

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable

C:\ai>starai.exe

Launching Star Citizen AI...

"I see you're trying to make anlevel! Press 1 sos I can halp u out!"

1

"It looks like you pressed [character_pressed_calue]! Stand back while I make this level!"

"Building walls..."

"Building floors..."

"Building dooThank you for playing Star Citizen!

C:\ai>

Kikas
Oct 30, 2012

Scruffpuff posted:

I think the core of conspiracy theories is a fusion of the following human characteristics:

1) Being on the "inside," being "woke," believing you're an elite group who can "see the truth" makes people feel smart and part of something.
2) Understanding that yes, people can walk into a kindergarten and gun down children is too dark and evil to comprehend - believing a conspiracy does less damage to the soul.
3) Sane people cannot comprehend insanity. They try to fit illogical and insane actions into a framework that makes logical sense to them.

Fit all three together and you realize you can't break through the shell without changing human nature. The alternative is for a person to sit down, look at themselves and realize, "I'm not that smart or special, there is real evil out there, and sometimes poo poo happens and there's no reason." For some people, that's some Cthulu-level degradation of sanity.

Funnily enough, #3 is a perfect fit for Star Citizen. People who understand game development cannot comprehend the way Star Citizen is developed.

Neltharak
Jun 7, 2013

The Titanic posted:

C:\ai>starai.exe

Launching Star Citizen AI...

"I see you're trying to make anlevel! Press 1 sos I can halp u out!"

1

"It looks like you pressed [character_pressed_calue]! Stand back while I make this level!"

"Building walls..."

"Building floors..."

"Building dooThank you for playing Star Citizen!

C:\ai>
I was debating dumping my partner.

Reading that made me break off into a wild laughter fit for a solid minute. Thanks, I needed that. :laugh:

Pixelate
Jan 6, 2018

"You win by having fun"
Anyone feels like discussing the screens on the background?

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable

Quavers posted:



Game is good :magical:

Store Citizer: around 3.5hr in, we got that 3 minutes of fighting

Finally actually read this.

I'm glad to see the full star Citizen experience is finally starting to shape up the play fun pipelines are kicking into full gear.

CoD better watch it's heinie because Chris Roberts is about to make it his bitch.

Scruffpuff
Dec 23, 2015

Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?

I like that picture. It's a good illustration of how $200 million and believing you're a game developer can create an incredibly realistic Famous Game Developer Playset yet produce absolutely nothing.

People who point to the offices and activity therein as proof this is not a scam may as well be claiming Hobbits are real because they can go to New Zealand and visit the film set.

It's key to remember that the $200 million is free money, not earned income. They are not a business - they're a charity. At best.

Scruffpuff fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Sep 10, 2018

Dogeh
Aug 30, 2017

ShitMeter: -------------|- 99%

Someone should edit them and add Rebel Galaxy Online....

Aqua Seafoam Shame
Aug 20, 2018

by astral

Liquid Dinosaur posted:

So re: the JFK assassinations. That was all before my time, and I'm no conspiracy enthusiast, but what what I've always wondered is while I understand Lee Harvey Oswald absolutely could have taken the shots in the place he did (I tried JFK: Reloaded...), what about the other conspiracies re: was Oswald working for anyone, and then perp-walking him in public where he could be conveniently shot before he could really be interrogated.

By all means feel free to say there's nothing to any of this.

On the first point, I think people conflate LHO being a "known" person to the FBI and CIA with them having files on the guy in some cabinet who knows where. What I mean is, both organizations have files on a lot of people, but that doesn't mean anyone is actively thinking about them. It's not like any agent was waking up every morning thinking, "I wonder what Lee Harvey is up to today." I know that's not quite the issue you're talking about, but I think that fact magnifies his supposed importance and any connections he may have had to other groups.

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable

Lladre posted:

Well wasn't the last "Road To Citizen-con" how they almost had the game working , just needed more polish?
Why is it a year later (two years later?) and we still do not have the content that they showed in the video?

It was, if I recall, a plea that they were like 2 weeks from having it all done but... game making is hard.

This was, I believe, the whole sand worm and sneaking combat stuff which apparently was merely two weeks from being 100% in the game.

And yes, you are correct that despite this tearful admittance to being almost but not quite done, this whole thing never made it into the game and was never talked about ever again.

One may suggest they were lying, but it is difficult to say now some 2-3 years in the future. Somebody may be chasing down sand worms in procedural tunnels and capping npcs by Solid Snaking them everywhere. :shrug:

Or they're spending hours trying to just get the game to play and trying to do these things they might have "fun" at but haha they forgot that the fun part of Star Citizen isn't playing it because winning isn't the point, it's buying stuff. They should have all spent those several hours buying stuff instead of trying to play things. They'd of had more fun then!

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable

Grubby Hobo posted:

I too looked at the UFO thing for a while, not so much as a believer as someone who thought...well, it's possible.

What threw me off the train was reading a set of bureaucratic documents that the poster claimed showed, definitively, a deep conspiracy within the government to cover up knowledge about aliens. I read every single one, and my reading was that this was a desperate bureaucratic competition among departments to NOT inherit jurisdiction over UFO investigations, because no one wanted to deal with all of the nuts that came with the territory.

My big childhood investigative love was the Bermuda Triangle. :)

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable

BeigeJacket posted:

I was so bummed when I found out that 'Fire in the Sky' guy made it up.

Haven't seen it for years but I remember it being a legit good film.

The internet made conspiracies grubby and depressing for me. Pawing over books in my local library made me feel like Indiana Jones - diving right into the thick of it to get the good poo poo.

Some of my earliest internetting was poring over BBS of a variety of different bollocks. As a stupid teenager, I couldn't put my finger on what is was that made these places seem so off (ie they were peopled by cranks and the mentally ill), but that poo poo quickly killed off my interest and I transitioned into looking for guitar tabs for pantera songs instead.

The internet really destroyed the fun of conspiracy theories because the world got so much smaller and everything could be found almost with a basic google search.

The magic and mystery of being alive always gets more and more boring because for every time somebody these days says "I saw Loch Ness!" there's a whole team going in with sonars and dredges and scuba divers and pointing and laughing at those people.

Technology and it's ease of acquisition has made people who might otherwise try to conjure up a thing think twice about it, because putting one over on people today is real hard when a person can get a fleet of people to come in and check out that person, their story, their life history and everything else.

Thanks for helping to destroy mystery, Internet!

Grubby Hobo
Feb 13, 2018

There's something else about bears not many people know. If a bear gets hooked on the taste of crowdfunding, it becomes a man-killer. He'll go on a rampage and has to be destroyed. And that's why you should never hug a bear.

The Titanic posted:

My big childhood investigative love was the Bermuda Triangle. :)

What was the big appeal of that one? Let's just suppose that they're true, and ask how fun would that be.

If the UFO people have it right, there are aliens and they are coming here a lot and maybe probing or whatever. That would be pretty interesting.

What was interesting about "one part of the ocean is more dangerous than another part?"

I'm not being skeptical here, since the truth of these things is not at stake under the premise. I'm just asking what the appeal of that one was, to your child self.

Scruffpuff
Dec 23, 2015

Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?

The Titanic posted:

Technology and it's ease of acquisition has made people who might otherwise try to conjure up a thing think twice about it, because putting one over on people today is real hard when a person can get a fleet of people to come in and check out that person, their story, their life history and everything else.

Are you sure this is the right thread to make that assertion?

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Grubby Hobo posted:

What was the big appeal of that one? Let's just suppose that they're true, and ask how fun would that be.

If the UFO people have it right, there are aliens and they are coming here a lot and maybe probing or whatever. That would be pretty interesting.

What was interesting about "one part of the ocean is more dangerous than another part?"

I'm not being skeptical here, since the truth of these things is not at stake under the premise. I'm just asking what the appeal of that one was, to your child self.

The interesting part is trying to figure out why is it dangerous. Is it aliens? A secret government base? The atlanteans?

Aqua Seafoam Shame
Aug 20, 2018

by astral
Some choice comments on a r/GameDeals post from a fan favourite:

Aqua Seafoam Shame fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Sep 11, 2018

AngusPodgorny
Jun 3, 2004

Please to be restful, it is only a puffin that has from the puffin place outbroken.

Grubby Hobo posted:

What was the big appeal of that one? Let's just suppose that they're true, and ask how fun would that be.

If the UFO people have it right, there are aliens and they are coming here a lot and maybe probing or whatever. That would be pretty interesting.

What was interesting about "one part of the ocean is more dangerous than another part?"

I'm not being skeptical here, since the truth of these things is not at stake under the premise. I'm just asking what the appeal of that one was, to your child self.
The Bermuda triangle was the best because it was the most mysterious. Aliens were boring because they were understandable to kid me, they're just like funny-looking people with funny-looking airplanes. Ghosts were a little better because they had the vanishing and walking through walls, but still, just see-through dead people. But the Bermuda Triangle was just a place where airplanes and boats disappeared and no one had an idea why.

Aqua Seafoam Shame
Aug 20, 2018

by astral

The Titanic posted:

The internet really destroyed the fun of conspiracy theories because the world got so much smaller and everything could be found almost with a basic google search.

The magic and mystery of being alive always gets more and more boring because for every time somebody these days says "I saw Loch Ness!" there's a whole team going in with sonars and dredges and scuba divers and pointing and laughing at those people.

Technology and it's ease of acquisition has made people who might otherwise try to conjure up a thing think twice about it, because putting one over on people today is real hard when a person can get a fleet of people to come in and check out that person, their story, their life history and everything else.

Thanks for helping to destroy mystery, Internet!

There are still mysteries out there. Something once happened to me that I still can't figure out, and defies any logical explanation. It's actually a good thing that a lot of the sillier stuff is getting debunked, I think.

Lladre
Jun 28, 2011


Soiled Meat
I once misplaced a glove. And mysteriously it never reappeared one day. I still have it's lone twin. Waiting for its return.

Aqua Seafoam Shame
Aug 20, 2018

by astral

Lladre posted:

I once misplaced a glove. And mysteriously it never reappeared one day. I still have it's lone twin. Waiting for its return.

Jungian plot twist: I stole your glove.

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Golli
Jan 5, 2013



AngusPodgorny posted:

The Bermuda triangle was the best because it was the most mysterious. Aliens were boring because they were understandable to kid me, they're just like funny-looking people with funny-looking airplanes. Ghosts were a little better because they had the vanishing and walking through walls, but still, just see-through dead people. But the Bermuda Triangle was just a place where airplanes and boats disappeared and no one had an idea why.

Fun fact- the Atlantic Undersea Testing and Evaluation Center (AUTEC) maintains a deep-water sound-silencing and sonar testing range on the east side of Andros Island in the Bahamas.

Work at this facility began in the 1940-1950 time range, and the buzz around the Bermuda Triangle may have been heightened by the secrecy associated with the testing conducted there during the Cold War.

(They also serve strong rum punch and have good snorkeling/scuba).

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