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no_recall
Aug 17, 2015

Lipstick Apathy

G0RF posted:

I used to believe Erin would bring the discipline and constraints needed to keep Chris’s worst excesses in check. Boy was that stupid. I mean, maybe he’s done a little of it, but belatedly and ineffectually. He was a Lego-game re-skinner working on 6 month release cycles for years before this, so maybe it’s not surprising he’s not lived up to expectations.

He’s not all bad. Abandoning Gamescom was seemingly an Erin call. He finally conceded the obvious, that it was a waste of developer time to spend weeks crafting one-time use demos for 2+ shows a year. Perhaps Erin also deserves the credit for finally getting Roadmaps out, too. (Though public shaming of their inability to hit release dates may have just forced Chris to finally give in to them. Who knows?)

Even so, Erin’s track record sucks and like Chris, he never owns up to missed targets. He told Bored last year they aimed for Salvage and Server meshing by 3.4, if memory serves — yet we’re at 3.6 and neither are in sight.

He hyped up Land Claims with Chris and Haddock in 2017, as if they were just around the corner. Even got giddy imaging the gold rush to secure prime real estate and the potential for players to flip real estate to future fortunes. Bullcrap then and bullcrap now. He also said early this year that this year’s Roadmaps were very achievable, unlike last year’s, which in hindsight he admitted were too ambitious. Having lowered their aim, they’re still missing targets every quarterly release. That reflects more poorly on him than on Chris, IMO.

When you're pooping out golden eggs jpegs, who gives a gently caress?

e:

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Pilz
Jul 25, 2016
Grimey Drawer

DigitalPenny posted:

What do you guys think of Erin? Am I the only one that thinks he's the most qualified to be doing anything on he project ?

Like you have a line of of villians, You have CR this self righteous incopotent micromanaging boss the sort would only see expect to exist on a sitcom.

The not married stick insect strangli with her hatred of body hair and good acting

Ortwin the evil genius who likes shell companies trips the Cayman islands and using caps lock in court filings

Then it's just Erin in corner looks like he is dying of stress trying to manage the construction of skyscraper from the top down on quicksand. I'm sure his bro has helped him out cash wise but I still feel sorry for him. Like I think he feels guilt when I see him or maybe he Is just that Alward.

Erin's shipped games in a modern dev environment. Not, perhaps, especially prestigious ones but functional games that people found fun. He knows it's hosed.

Time_pants
Jun 25, 2012

Now sauntering to the ring, please welcome the lackadaisical style of the man who is always doing something...


In my mind, I have a perfectly formed idea of how I'm trying to describe this, but the only way I can think to put it into words is "like if Wile E. Coyote were a character in a particularly mean-spirited and cruel work of surrealist science fiction." I think it's the comedy beat of the doors staying open for a few extra seconds before finally slamming shut on the shattered and scrambled remains of an astronaut still sloshing around inside of a tangled spacesuit.

Dementropy
Aug 23, 2010



https://twitter.com/SkyWingsSim/status/1148405536926208001

Time_pants
Jun 25, 2012

Now sauntering to the ring, please welcome the lackadaisical style of the man who is always doing something...

G0RF posted:

NO.

Tony Z said we’d be able to form lifelong relationships with them that would flourish and evolve. They will respond to our hygiene and fashion choices. Do not forget clothing-sensitive mission generation!
It probably isn't, but I have to ask because he has been involved in both successful and unsuccessful Kickstarter projects: this isn't the Tony Z from the fighting game community, is it? Because dude made Skullgirls, and while tag fighters are not at all my jam and I hate the art style, I still respect the hell out of the guy for the way he always kept things above-board with his fans and backers and it would be such a fall from grace if he ended up lashing himself to the dog-and-pony donkey show that is Butt Shitpoopizen.

Edit: Never mind. Skullgirls dude is Mike Z. Modern-day dark side turn averted.

Time_pants fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Jul 9, 2019

Deadguy2322
Dec 16, 2017

Greatness Awaits

Beet Wagon posted:

Thanks. I know arbitrarily limiting word usage sucks and everybody is gonna have different opinions on "the r word" or whatever, but I think it'd be good to bring us up to parity with the rest of the forums on this one. I think everyone here is a decent enough poster that we don't have to make it a capital R Rule, but I this seemed like a good time to bring it up.

ANYWAY,



Being up to parity with the censorious mentality of the rest of this site is a bad thing. This whole forum is one of the worst places I have seen for bullying anyone dubbed guilty of wrongthink, and it’s loving disgusting. But you do you, knuckle under like a good boy.

Sarsapariller
Aug 14, 2015

Occasional vampire queen


Time_pants posted:

In my mind, I have a perfectly formed idea of how I'm trying to describe this, but the only way I can think to put it into words is "like if Wile E. Coyote were a character in a particularly mean-spirited and cruel work of surrealist science fiction." I think it's the comedy beat of the doors staying open for a few extra seconds before finally slamming shut on the shattered and scrambled remains of an astronaut still sloshing around inside of a tangled spacesuit.

Star Citizen is basically the painted tunnel on a brick wall gag, except 3D and the backers keep running into it for 7 years straight.

The goddamn rabbit manages to get through it in the demo videos! Must be something wrong with my security settings!

One in the Bum
Apr 25, 2014

Hair Elf

Sarsapariller posted:

Star Citizen is basically the painted tunnel on a brick wall gag, except 3D and the backers keep running into it for 7 years straight.

The goddamn rabbit manages to get through it in the demo videos! Must be something wrong with my security settings!

you just gotta know how to work the game files :science:

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

I’d like to point out that saying the R word won’t get you probated other places.

Also a lot of cultists are absolutely the hard R word.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



saying the r word will actually get you banned in r/starcitizen, that's why we had to make r/starcitizen_refunds

Valcione
Sep 12, 2007
For All Brave Silpheed Pilots


Deadguy2322 posted:

Being up to parity with the censorious mentality of the rest of this site is a bad thing. This whole forum is one of the worst places I have seen for bullying anyone dubbed guilty of wrongthink, and it’s loving disgusting. But you do you, knuckle under like a good boy.

It's not bullying to say "Hey guys, maybe we shouldn't be using ugly perjoratives in our common parlance. It's not a good look." Beet didn't even hand out a probate for it.

Besides, using "retard" as an insult is punching down. Better to make fun of people for things they can control; "Star Citizen Backer" covers the bases just fine.

Amazing Zimmo
Jan 27, 2006

That's quite a load you got in them diapers
https://twitter.com/PlayWarframe/status/1148249582394060800

Sarsapariller
Aug 14, 2015

Occasional vampire queen


An interesting comparison to draw:

A hornet in Arena Commander, Circa Patch 2.6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z7NCvIhY6k

A hornet in Arena Commander, Circa Patch 3.6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_r7y3aGL0s

----

Pros of 2.6:
* The flight model absolutely worked better
* The radar was substantially more readable
* The 2 HUDs above the cockpit were readable
* The targeting reticle made sense
* Missile alerts and evasions were called out in real time
* Damage on other players was updated in real time

Pros of 3.6:
* You can't see the player's helmet at the bottom of the screen anymore
* You don't black out nearly as hard (because you can't turn nearly as hard)

----

That's it. 2 years of development, and that's what they've produced. Worse in every single aspect except minor visuals. 2.6 looked like the alpha of an actual game. 3.6 looks like a loving mess. Whoever said they were actively going backwards with every patch- you were right on the money.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Hav posted:

It's a masonic headshake.

Who placates backers every night?
Who designed this awful flight?
Who made those ships really shite?
Who takes their money with delight?

WE DO! WE DO!


Who spends money without regard?
Who fired a giant tub of lard?
Who fails every Tier Zero?
Who turned Smart into an antihero?

WE DO! WE DO!

Scruffpuff
Dec 23, 2015

Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?

Sarsapariller posted:

That's it. 2 years of development, and that's what they've produced. Worse in every single aspect except minor visuals. 2.6 looked like the alpha of an actual game. 3.6 looks like a loving mess. Whoever said they were actively going backwards with every patch- you were right on the money.

Gotta keep moving forward no matter what!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ezq1kiz9dQU

Flared Basic Bitch
Feb 22, 2005

Invading your personal space since 1968.

Deadguy2322 posted:

Being up to parity with the censorious mentality of the rest of this site is a bad thing. This whole forum is one of the worst places I have seen for bullying anyone dubbed guilty of wrongthink, and it’s loving disgusting. But you do you, knuckle under like a good boy.

Sounds like daring new disruptor reddit.com might be just the community you’re looking for.

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

Good god six seven years in development and they still haven't made dogfighting, the absolute most key must-have element of the game, fun. I know pointing that out is like being a broken record in this thread, but it bears repeating and staring agog.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



lmbo copping a probation because you can't stop yourself from using one particular word in a context where it could come off as a slur isn't bullying, while writing that word down and posting it to the internet isn't wrongthink because it's not just one but two actual things you've done.

monkeytek
Jun 7, 2010

It wasn't an ELE that wiped out the backer funds. It was Tristan Timothy Taylor.

Sarsapariller posted:

Star Citizen is basically the painted tunnel on a brick wall gag, except 3D and the backers keep running into it for 7 years straight.

The goddamn rabbit manages to get through it in the demo videos! Must be something wrong with my security settings!

We all know a consortium of game companies and MS have joined up to sabotage SC. I find much too coincidental none of the other games have issues with access rights in Windows!

monkeytek fucked around with this message at 03:38 on Jul 9, 2019

Scruffpuff
Dec 23, 2015

Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?

Rotten Red Rod posted:

Good god six seven years in development and they still haven't made dogfighting, the absolute most key must-have element of the game, fun. I know pointing that out is like being a broken record in this thread, but it bears repeating and staring agog.

I'm assuming it's not even on the radar. They're off working on submarines or planetary terraforming or space alchemy or some poo poo they'll never get right, make a "Press F" Tier-0 solution, run a victory lap, then start working on the next Great JPEG Robbery.

"Audio log. Year 7. Still can't get doors working."

Snazzy Frocks
Mar 30, 2003

Scratchmo

cig will only respond to ask if they were in the will or not

Zazz Razzamatazz
Apr 19, 2016

by sebmojo

Krycek posted:

Something awful dot com is blocked on my company devices as "category: pornography". It wasn't always blocked, then one day it was. So :shrug:

It must be all those sexy bear pictures.

Kosumo
Apr 9, 2016

Zazz Razzamatazz posted:

It must be all those sexy bear pictures.

I am self-employed (doxxing!) and I have blocked somethingawful.com

It's just goons being goonie.

MedicineHut
Feb 25, 2016

G0RF posted:

I used to believe Erin would bring the discipline and constraints needed to keep Chris’s worst excesses in check. Boy was that stupid. I mean, maybe he’s done a little of it, but belatedly and ineffectually. He was a Lego-game re-skinner working on 6 month release cycles for years before this, so maybe it’s not surprising he’s not lived up to expectations.

He’s not all bad. Abandoning Gamescom was seemingly an Erin call. He finally conceded the obvious, that it was a waste of developer time to spend weeks crafting one-time use demos for 2+ shows a year. Perhaps Erin also deserves the credit for finally getting Roadmaps out, too. (Though public shaming of their inability to hit release dates may have just forced Chris to finally give in to them. Who knows?)

Even so, Erin’s track record sucks and like Chris, he never owns up to missed targets. He told Bored last year they aimed for Salvage and Server meshing by 3.4, if memory serves — yet we’re at 3.6 and neither are in sight.

He hyped up Land Claims with Chris and Haddock in 2017, as if they were just around the corner. Even got giddy imaging the gold rush to secure prime real estate and the potential for players to flip real estate to future fortunes. Bullcrap then and bullcrap now. He also said early this year that this year’s Roadmaps were very achievable, unlike last year’s, which in hindsight he admitted were too ambitious. Having lowered their aim, they’re still missing targets every quarterly release. That reflects more poorly on him than on Chris, IMO.

He is also famous for hyping up instances of hundreds of thousands of players: https://wccftech.com/star-citizen-exclusive-interview-erin-roberts/

MedicineHut fucked around with this message at 06:57 on Jul 9, 2019

Wise Learned Man
Apr 22, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Lipstick Apathy

Snazzy Frocks posted:

cig will only respond to ask if they were in the will or not

:drat:

IcarusUpHigh
Dec 20, 2016

Beet Wagon posted:

Hey y'all, at the risk of being a latte-sipping SJW cuck or whatever, can we try and find a different word?

Honestly it gets used pretty rarely here so it's not a huge problem, but it will get you a probation pretty much anywhere else on the forums and aside from the fact that it's pretty played out as an insult I'd like to at least make sure we're mostly in line with the rest of SA on this one.

tia

Yeah sorry about that Beet, I borderline wasn't going to use it. Let's go with "loving stupid" instead.

IcarusUpHigh fucked around with this message at 07:46 on Jul 9, 2019

Sandweed
Sep 7, 2006

All your friends are me.

Krycek posted:

For some of them, Star Wars *is* their reality.

Not anymore, there are females and minorities in it now.

Raskolnikov
Nov 25, 2003

Deadguy2322 posted:

Being up to parity with the censorious mentality of the rest of this site is a bad thing. This whole forum is one of the worst places I have seen for bullying anyone dubbed guilty of wrongthink, and it’s loving disgusting. But you do you, knuckle under like a good boy.

hahaha

Raskolnikov
Nov 25, 2003

1 9 8 4

Raskolnikov
Nov 25, 2003

muh freedoms

stingtwo
Nov 16, 2012

IcarusUpHigh posted:

Yeah sorry about that Beet, I borderline wasn't going to use it. Let's go with "loving stupid" instead.

I think you are right though, at least the ones on the SC reddit. The backers that I feel sympathy for are just the ones that plonked down $45 and maybe a ship, hoped to get a star wars-esque space combat and won't get anything when this poo poo show fails and either forgot about it or don't follow it close enough to care. I wouldn't call those people complete R's/idiots.

The ones that called anyone remotely criticizing the game Derek Smart alts, having hate boners, big publisher shills; The cymelions, tojals, giogetmoney and Badnewsbaron's types do not deserve to be called anything less. they trick people into getting this game, promote it as something it isn't, then call those people naive and claim "it's in alpha so not every we said is currently in the game, do research moron".

Beexoffel
Oct 4, 2015

Herald of the Stimpire

Deadguy2322 posted:

Being up to parity with the censorious mentality of the rest of this site is a bad thing. This whole forum is one of the worst places I have seen for bullying anyone dubbed guilty of wrongthink, and it’s loving disgusting. But you do you, knuckle under like a good boy.

Some people on both sides in the SC story seem to have their subjects they're skeptical about, as well as their own blind spots. It keeps making me wonder if I myself manage to apply critical thinking evenly to all subjects.

Iceclaw
Nov 4, 2009

Fa la lanky down dilly, motherfuckers.

Flared Basic Bitch posted:

Sounds like daring new disruptor 8chan.com might be just the community you’re looking for.
FTFY

Dementropy
Aug 23, 2010






Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe

“Attempted video game” is fun.

Dementropy
Aug 23, 2010



Katsuma posted:

It's not bullying to say "Hey guys, maybe we shouldn't be using ugly perjoratives in our common parlance. It's not a good look." Beet didn't even hand out a probate for it.

Besides, using "retard" as an insult is punching down. Better to make fun of people for things they can control; "Star Citizen Backer" covers the bases just fine.

Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015





IcarusUpHigh posted:

Yeah sorry about that Beet, I borderline wasn't going to use it. Let's go with "loving stupid" instead.

It's okay, no need to apologize. It was just a good prompt to actually bring up the topic. Personally, I'm a big fan of "X has holes in their brain you could park a zeppelin in" lol



Oh gently caress watch out dude you've been targeted for [MAXIMUM DESTRUCT - oh I mean uhhh... I guess maybe a downvote or two from the handful of people who still give a poo poo about this]

It's cool these dorks still think they're playing some kind of spy game, I guess.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
REGULATED

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
ROME

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Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
RIDICULOUS!

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