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CCKeane
Jan 28, 2008

my shit posts don't die, they multiply



Max posted:

Personally, doing the math, I'm not sure we can actually let Quid live past today. If he's town he has the chance to totally gently caress us in actual lylo. We're still probably already there, but I don't want that question hanging over our heads going towards endgame.

I'm on board with Quid.

Quid Pmom Stick, pick two I think.

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Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006



Max posted:

. . . I'm not clearing stickup?

No, you arent. I thought you "cleared" two people with it, and stickup was the other, but the other was tobbs who already flipped. I don't know where my brain put stickup in the mix.
Still I am a little worried that you stopped pushing me with such a light reason. I can't think of a strong scum justification for it either, it just feels incongruous with the game.

I guess if you were scum, you could have thought with the ground work that I'd be an easy push in LYLO so decided to keep me around, but that feels weak as poo poo as a reason. But yeah, it still feels not right.

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006



Max posted:

Do you people really not think about how scum might interact with each other when you read their posts?

Of course I do. I just found the post in question super throwaway and think you are looking too deeply into it.

Max posted:

And why didn't you say anything about it when I brought it up the first time.

Because it got you off of my rear end which I desperately needed to happen at the time.

The Lord of Hats
Aug 22, 2010



We're looking at something like 3 scum left, right? So not *precisely* lylo, but not too far off of it either.

If I had to pick a scumteam out of what we've got left, I think my first two picks would be Quid and PMom, with maybe Stickup in 3rd?

Grandicap and BK I have a neutral read on, Max I lean pretty hard towards town, and Keane and MMT are basically confirmed town in my mind right now.

Max
Nov 30, 2002



I'm imagining 3 scum left, so it is potentially mylo, if scum and MMT both hit separate town targets in the night.

Still, Quid's game so far has been "Sorry, I'm here and reading" x 5 at this point. If he was town I would hope he'd have just replaced out (if he is town then I, like MMT, will be very angry with him.)

Max
Nov 30, 2002



Grandicap posted:

Because it got you off of my rear end which I desperately needed to happen at the time.

This does not inspire confidence.

Max
Nov 30, 2002



Max posted:

I'm imagining 3 scum left, so it is potentially mylo, if scum and MMT both hit separate town targets in the night.

Still, Quid's game so far has been "Sorry, I'm here and reading" x 5 at this point. If he was town I would hope he'd have just replaced out (if he is town then I, like MMT, will be very angry with him.)

This should read, it would be mylo if we lunch town and then scum and MMT also hit separate town targets at night.

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006



Max posted:

This does not inspire confidence.

Nope, but it is honest. I just told you that I don't think your reason for thinking I'm town is as rock solid as you think. That, by definition, is supposed to shake your confidence in the read. I am town, but you keep bringing it up, and everytime it makes me feel off. So instead of letting it keep happen (you have switched from actively pursuing me to actively defending me), I posted what I feel.

Max
Nov 30, 2002



I like to stick to my convictions because at some point you just have to make a call. It's why I went so hard for Tobbs being town yesterday.

Also, here is some quality Quid posting in some other thread from yesterday, since we lack so much of it in this thread right now:

Quidthulhu posted:

The switch has made me get on the Amiibo train, what have I done~

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006



Also, I don't know if there would be 4 scum in a 15 player game with a repeatable vig (or SK), it might be 3.
We should still assume the worst, but having a nightly double kill and 4 scum makes worst case scenario lylo happen too goddamn soon.

D3 is 4 dead by kills and 2 dead by lynch, 9 alive, 5 to lynch.

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006



But I think PMom is a good choice for today. I would vote Quid as well but that feels like a lurker vote and super lovely for the scums if he is.

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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Max posted:

You are not reading my argument if you think it's based on you replacing in.

you didn't even finish reading the sentence you're responding to I guess

Max posted:

I want to also point at Stick today as a solid lunch option as well. He was far more active Day 2 but now with CL's flip and signs point at stick, he clammed up, aside from offering fairly token defenses for himself and has offered no counter arguments. That reads like caught scum to me that doesn't want to implicate anyone else.

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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Max posted:

Also, how has your opinion changed on Quid.

it hasn't. please read the full interaction. would still vote

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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Max posted:

Like, Stick, make an argument or scumhunt or something. Players just going "Aw shucks, y'all are dumb" is pretty passive when you have ways of actually doing something here.

what?

you of all people should be able to appreciate that before I make an argument, I would like to go back and look at day 1+2 with the tobbs and clord flips in mind

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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##vote bottleknight

Max
Nov 30, 2002



this is a stickup posted:

what?

you of all people should be able to appreciate that before I make an argument, I would like to go back and look at day 1+2 with the tobbs and clord flips in mind

And that hasn't happened at all yet.

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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Max posted:

And that hasn't happened at all yet.

and it won't, until tonight, which I have stated very clearly :tipshat:

Murmur Twin
Feb 11, 2003

An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.


this is a stickup posted:

##vote bottleknight

This is the second time stickup has pasted something that I've been thinking before I could say it, which is giving him town points in my book.

BottleKnight posted:

I think Quid's lurking (like pretty much all lurking) is alignment-neutral and he should just replace out instead of us lunching a low-content player and getting very little content out of it except a flip.

---

What's the most up to date quid meta? I thought he didn't really catch up on games or play mafia regardless of alignment

---


But Quid just hasn't posted any content, so the "frustrated scum" narrative doesn't connect for me. He just isn't here, at all.

BK seems to be going through effort to move the vote off Quid.

BottleKnight posted:

Also, agree with the lurker callout. This game will fall apart if so many people have so little posts. :justpost:

I could make an argument that I would post something like this if I had an absentee teammate.

Just going to put it out there - if Quid is executed today and flips scum I'm probably going to vig BK tonight. :j: I'd rather get rid of Quid before BK because at least BK has stuff to go back and analyze.

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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BottleKnight posted:

Yeah, agreed. Would vote Max, but might as well keep my vote on Tobbs.

I'm feeling better about you btw, I voted you because of my read on Rarity but your play has been good so I'm reconsidering.

BottleKnight posted:

I'm not ashamed of myself, if that's what you're implying I should feel?


It's almost like I didn't want to make a "scum defending scum" read about an unflipped player but then stickup reminded me that you could be making a "scum defending town" read for cred, which still seems pretty likely to me.

BottleKnight posted:

I agree with the CL reads though. Keane hasn't really pinged me otherwise so I wouldn't vote him just for that, though I may need to reread him, but I agree with the stickup read. I was feeling better about stickup and his play but I was really confident about my rarity read and this lines up with that.

BottleKnight posted:

Also, agree with the lurker callout. This game will fall apart if so many people have so little posts. :justpost:

welp, I was hoping an empty vote would get some sort of response from bk, max, or hats, but I'm home and deadline is in a few hours. these are bk's last four posts, with the latest three being his only posts this game day.

the sheer speed he's flipping back and forth with these reads of me, and trusting or not trusting max, is pretty suspect. I feel like he's covering his bases so he can vote either way and back it up. nice little lurker call out, but also no content from bk, and even the callout is not an original thought. looking back to when I replaced in, I lash out and hit bk with omgus. bk doubles down. if I had been killed, after a town flip all bk would need to justify his opinion is to say he based it off rarity. he's brought it up again above, probably for the same reason.

I find it curious that max is fine calling me out for not posting in a 24h period, but bk's last post that isn't a token defense or 'I agree' is from 48h ago. I do acknowledge that max at least is trying to push me for a reason, but I'd like to know how max feels about bk suddenly disappearing after a string of agreement to both sides

Max
Nov 30, 2002



BK or Pmom would be acceptable if Quid flips scum (who I am planning on voting.)

Murmur Twin
Feb 11, 2003

An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.


Murmur Twin posted:

This is the second time stickup has pasted something that I've been thinking before I could say it, which is giving him town points in my book.


BK seems to be going through effort to move the vote off Quid.


I could make an argument that I would post something like this if I had an absentee teammate.

Just going to put it out there - if Quid is executed today and flips scum I'm probably going to vig BK tonight. :j: I'd rather get rid of Quid before BK because at least BK has stuff to go back and analyze.

PS - I'm only going to be here for another hour and then will probably be out of the house until deadline
- I recently just :350:ed for the first time in a month
- I'm on a phone.
- Right now Quid is legit my strongest scumread. I genuinely don't think he want to play this bad if he were town, and the most logical reason that scum killed chores was that Quid is scum and chores was going to push that case today if he were around.

Max
Nov 30, 2002



this is a stickup posted:

welp, I was hoping an empty vote would get some sort of response from bk, max, or hats, but I'm home and deadline is in a few hours. these are bk's last four posts, with the latest three being his only posts this game day.

the sheer speed he's flipping back and forth with these reads of me, and trusting or not trusting max, is pretty suspect. I feel like he's covering his bases so he can vote either way and back it up. nice little lurker call out, but also no content from bk, and even the callout is not an original thought. looking back to when I replaced in, I lash out and hit bk with omgus. bk doubles down. if I had been killed, after a town flip all bk would need to justify his opinion is to say he based it off rarity. he's brought it up again above, probably for the same reason.

I find it curious that max is fine calling me out for not posting in a 24h period, but bk's last post that isn't a token defense or 'I agree' is from 48h ago. I do acknowledge that max at least is trying to push me for a reason, but I'd like to know how max feels about bk suddenly disappearing after a string of agreement to both sides

Naw, I just had you in my jaws at the moment, and you had a stronger connection to CL. Let me look back on BK for a moment.

Max
Nov 30, 2002



Also was shopping for food.

Max
Nov 30, 2002



Oh right, CL argued against BK's "let's kill the replacement" argument. That's why I have him further down on my priority list at the moment. I'd be willing to revisit him tomorrow if MMT hasn't murdered him already.

Max
Nov 30, 2002



Max posted:

I don't want to trash AA too much, for they really hosed up Day 1 in terms of reads and made it supremely easy to vote for them. Looking at BK, he spends a lot of time joking around with the AA situation before voting but it's hard to read it because AA just made themselves such a huge target, it was difficult not to.


Call this OMGUS if you want but he somehow went from:


To apparently being willing to vote for me the moment it looked like others had an issue with what I asked.

Would probably vote BK today, but he's not at the top of my list.

FWIW this is what I had posted about BK prior to the CL flip. He was on my radar.

Max
Nov 30, 2002



I'll be *around* but also making dinner and hanging with my wife. I'll lay a vote down in an hour probably, sans any other amazing revelations.

EccoRaven
Aug 15, 2004

there is only one hell:
the one we live in now


Murmur Twin posted:

- I recently just :350:ed for the first time in a month

oh no :( did something happen?? discord.

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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I miss you chortles

Murmur Twin
Feb 11, 2003

An ever-honest pacifist with no mind for tricks.


EccoRaven posted:

oh no :( did something happen?? discord.

(For those wondering, it's looking really likely that I start a new job dealing blackjack in a casino next week. I've been abstained for 4 weeks for a drug test but recently found out they don't care about pot. Yay!)

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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PEYOTE QUEEN?


this is a stickup posted:

kill bottleknight

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

DID YOU SEE MY
PEYOTE QUEEN?


##unvote
##vote bottleknight


for broken robots and broken quotes

Max
Nov 30, 2002



Why not quid?

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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I feel more strongly about bk, but either way is fine I guess. mmt can kill the other tonight.

CCKeane
Jan 28, 2008

my shit posts don't die, they multiply



##vote Quid

Blood.

Max
Nov 30, 2002



Yeah, I feel quid / want to punish him.

##vote quid

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006



I will vote quid, but I don't feel strongly about it.

The Lord of Hats
Aug 22, 2010



Yeah, I feel better about Quid than I do about a sudden swerve onto BK here. Not that his case hasn't been made, but Stick empty voting him felt kind of out of nowhere. He's since justified it, but it isn't a vote I'm comfortable switching onto.

EccoRaven
Aug 15, 2004

there is only one hell:
the one we live in now


:c: Current Day 3 Votecount :c:

Quidthulhu (4): MMT, Hats, Keane, Max


bottleknight (1): stickup, -stickup, stickup

stickup (0): Hats, -Hats


:h: 9 alive 5 to execute.
:d: Deadline is tonight at 11PM EDT. That's in about an hour from this post. However, it is floating.

Max
Nov 30, 2002



If he was town I imagine it wouldn't take this long to hammer him.

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sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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Max posted:

If he was town I imagine it wouldn't take this long to hammer him.

oh welp, I was bamboozled by ecco not removing chaoslord from votefinder where it is listed as 6 to execute. I thought he was -2 this whole time

##unvote
##vote quid
:redhammer:


kill bottleknight

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