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Macaluso posted:Theres several things that feel way sadder in LiS now that they made Rachel a real character, and Chloe being so lovely to Max at times feels way more justified, especially things like Max answering the phone when Kate called and Chloe gets pissed. Its way easier to see why she gets irrationally upset at that stuff.  Never pieced that one together. I've only played LiS once, so I can't wait to have my mind blown left and right. Totally in character for Max to completely fail to understand why Chloe reacted how she did. She starts the game so incredibly oblivious and self-absorbed. No wonder her subconscious/alt-Max tears her down so hard towards the end. Larryb posted:Yeah, imagine it was someone like Steph or even William making those points in place of Eliot, kind of puts the whole scene in a different perspective doesn't it? I think I agree. I don't believe Rachel is a malicious person who tries to use people and throw them away. But she does manipulate people for her own benefit. She changes masks so frequently and effortlessly that even she has trouble knowing how genuine her emotions for people are. And she has the kind of free spirit that will never be satisfied with what she has; she will always be looking to move on to the next thing. Canemacar fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Dec 28, 2017 |
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I watched a playthrough where the streamer deliberately failed their backtalk against Eliot and the whole scene works a lot better that way. He gets much more confrontational and Chloe breaks away by throwing a statue through the window to trigger the alarm. When playing that sequence the first time it didn't make much sense to me in the way it was framed because I kept thinking "Chloe loving clobbered some skeezy meth head with a bottle two days ago, no way she wouldn't just punch this redpiller out."
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exquisite tea posted:I watched a playthrough where the streamer deliberately failed their backtalk against Eliot and the whole scene works a lot better that way. He gets much more confrontational and Chloe breaks away by throwing a statue through the window to trigger the alarm. When playing that sequence the first time it didn't make much sense to me in the way it was framed because I kept thinking "Chloe loving clobbered some skeezy meth head with a bottle two days ago, no way she wouldn't just punch this redpiller out." She should have taken a page from Calamastia's book. It's hard to stalk people with no feet.
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Which gives me all the more reason to wonder how the hell Chloe managed to stay friends with this guy for so long (there's a line in Episode 2 about her having known Eliot since Kindergarten and he explicitly mentions Max by name during the confrontation in the finale). If that's the case, I'm curious if he felt just as threatened by Max way back when as he was by Rachel in the present time.Canemacar posted:I think I agree. I don't believe Rachel is a malicious person who tries to use people and throw them away. But she does manipulate people for her own benefit. She changes masks so frequently and effortlessly that even she has trouble knowing how genuine her emotions for people are. And she has the kind of free spirit that will never be satisfied with what she has; she will always be looking to move on to the next thing. In other words, she has way too much of her parents in her and unfortunately might have been a lost cause from the beginning (reminder, in the timeline where William lived Chloe and Rachel never met each other but Rachel still wound up going missing regardless), which makes it amazing that she turned out as well as she did actually. In a sense, Chloe was almost too good for Rachel (she was arguably the best thing that ever happened in her life at least, though whether Rachel ever realized that is up for debate). Larryb fucked around with this message at 00:21 on Dec 29, 2017 |
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I actually have come to think that Chloe clobbering the dude in the barn in the first episode is the exception to how she usually functions. Something that consistently is shown in Before the Storm is that she freezes up when things get too serious or physical. She carries on this bad record of being any good in physical confrontations in the original series. I don't think she comes out on top in any of the serious situations in that one. Technically she can for the one with Frank and his dog but unless I'm misremembering even that was framed as a pure panic reaction and was not an ideal outcome in Chloe's mind.
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Viridiant posted:I actually have come to think that Chloe clobbering the dude in the barn in the first episode is the exception to how she usually functions. Something that consistently is shown in Before the Storm is that she freezes up when things get too serious or physical. She carries on this bad record of being any good in physical confrontations in the original series. I don't think she comes out on top in any of the serious situations in that one. Technically she can for the one with Frank and his dog but unless I'm misremembering even that was framed as a pure panic reaction and was not an ideal outcome in Chloe's mind. That's about right. In fact if she does end up killing Frank she ends up feeling like utter poo poo afterwards (and thanks to BtS we now kind of know why). Remember, the whole tough girl persona of hers is basically an act, much like how Rachel tends to get angry whenever her mask drops Chloe instead gets scared and either freezes up (when Rachel got stabbed, Nathan in the bathroom, the first meeting with Frank in LiS) or panics (the incident at the mill, the second meeting with Frank in LiS). So yeah, seems like a fairly consistent character trait to me. Larryb fucked around with this message at 02:51 on Dec 29, 2017 |
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Somewhat related, I just started playing through the first game again after replaying BtS. I remember really being annoyed by Chloe's character the first time I played (she didn't really start to click with me until Episode 3 or so) but now not only does her behavior make perfect sense, I actually find myself agreeing with her at times. Also neat little fact I just noticed, the amount of time each game takes place over directly corresponds to the number of episodes it has: Before the Storm: 3 days (not counting the bonus episode that takes place earlier and the timejump at the very end of course) Life is Strange: 5 days And as another thought, is it possible that Chloe herself might be a little special without her realizing it? Both Rachel and Max first used their respective "powers" when in Chloe's presence during a traumatic moment, those close to her that die are reborn as some kind of spirit animal (William becomes a raven, Rachel a doe and the Sacrifice Chloe ending seems to imply that Chloe herself becomes the blue butterfly), plus she's also shown to have some limited form of prophecy via her dreams (though that could have just been the raven influencing her mind slightly). So not so much that she has a "power" per se but more like she can influence change in others if only unconsciously (despite her lone wolf attitude Chloe actually makes friends fairly quickly). Larryb fucked around with this message at 12:44 on Dec 29, 2017 |
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Viridiant posted:I actually have come to think that Chloe clobbering the dude in the barn in the first episode is the exception to how she usually functions. Something that consistently is shown in Before the Storm is that she freezes up when things get too serious or physical. She carries on this bad record of being any good in physical confrontations in the original series. I don't think she comes out on top in any of the serious situations in that one. Technically she can for the one with Frank and his dog but unless I'm misremembering even that was framed as a pure panic reaction and was not an ideal outcome in Chloe's mind. Season One is actually about you trying to prevent a terrible Chloe player from failing every single one of her backtalk challenges.
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exquisite tea posted:Season One is actually about you trying to prevent a terrible Chloe player from failing every single one of her backtalk challenges. Man, I'm just imagining the final scene at the lighthouse being the most  backtalk ever.
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exquisite tea posted:Season One is actually about you trying to prevent a terrible Chloe player from failing every single one of her backtalk challenges. I almost want a remake of the first game from Chloe's perspective now as I think a lot of the stuff we see would look even weirder to an outside observer (what with Max suddenly becoming clairvoyant and sometimes teleporting at random). It would also be interesting to see what auto-pilot Max is like to those in the primary timeline whenever she hops through a photo (either that or have reality just suddenly change to reflect whatever new timeline she's created). It'd probably fill in a few extra details as well (why Chloe was still hanging around Blackwell after her attempt to intimidate Nathan went south, where she went after convincing Max to jump through the butterfly photo, etc). The parts where you die could be used to give Chloe her own extended nightmare sequences. Randomly getting thrown back and forth through time as you go through the game might be a little jarring though. Larryb fucked around with this message at 14:08 on Dec 29, 2017 |
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Yvonmukluk posted:Man, I'm just imagining the final scene at the lighthouse being the most "Chloe, I can't make this choice!" "No Max, you're the only one who can." *hands 20-sided die*
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Larryb posted:I almost want a remake of the first game from Chloe's perspective now as I think a lot of the stuff we see would look even weirder to an outside observer (what with Max suddenly becoming clairvoyant and sometimes teleporting at random). It would also be interesting to see what auto-pilot Max is like to those in the primary timeline whenever she hops through a photo (either that or have reality just suddenly change to reflect whatever new timeline she's created). I though Chloe was trying to intimidate Nathan into giving her money so she could pay off Frank
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Macaluso posted:I though Chloe was trying to intimidate Nathan into giving her money so she could pay off Frank That would be the meeting I was talking about, he'd also drugged and taken photos of her in an attempt to make up for what happened with Rachel, only this time he used too small a dose and she was able to wake up and escape. She was hoping to use that as blackmail material in order to get her money (though I'm not sure if she ever intended on paying Frank back or if she was just going to use the money to escape with Rachel once she found her). My question was why she bothered hanging around the school after she escaped the bathroom via Max setting off the fire alarm (she was obviously still on campus as she bumps into Max in the parking lot not long afterwards). Though I suppose it's possible she could have just been sitting in her truck/somewhere out of sight toking up and figuring out her next move, happening to spy Max just as she was getting ready to leave. Larryb fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Dec 29, 2017 |
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I misread I didn’t pay attention to the “after”. I forget was Frank’s RV in the parking lot when you go there? I remember his RV is in the parking lot at some point. Maybe Frank was waiting for Chloe
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Macaluso posted:I misread I didn’t pay attention to the “after”. I forget was Frank’s RV in the parking lot when you go there? I remember his RV is in the parking lot at some point. Maybe Frank was waiting for Chloe I'll have to check again but I don't remember seeing his RV on campus (or him popping up at all in episode 1 until the ending montage). I know it's possible for Max to tag his RV at some point but I don't remember if that's in the first or second episode. I do wonder what happened to the primary Chloe after Max went back through the butterfly photo at the end. My guess is she either made her way back to town to do what she could to help, sat down somewhere and waited for the inevitable or at worst she threw herself off the nearest cliff just to make sure. As I've mentioned before, it could be possible that both endings are equally canon, they just happen in different timelines. Larryb fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Dec 29, 2017 |
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I still can't believe that Frank literally murders a man who is under an active DA investigation and doesn't get caught how does that even happen. Also how does chloe not go to jail for destroying evidence. Also how does James Amber not go to jail for being a corrupt piece of poo poo. HOW DOES THIS GAME HAPPEN
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Paul Zuvella posted:I still can't believe that Frank literally murders a man who is under an active DA investigation and doesn't get caught how does that even happen. Those questions all answer each other. James Amber doesn't get sent down because he's the DA & Damon Merrick, who might be one of the only people who knew the full story & would have motives to blackmail him, disappears. He's not exactly going to look super hard into the specifics of the hows & whys. Since Frank hid the body, unless Damon's body is discovered, he's probably not going to get charged. Chloe doesn't get sent to jail because the evidence she destroyed was going to be destroyed by James anyway, so he probably already had contigencies for how to cover that up. The fact that the subject of that investigation, again, apparently disappeared probably made it easy to hide. James might know, or at least suspect, Chloe was involved (the fact his desk just got tagged is probably a giveaway), but he can't exactly press the issue, because she knows enough that she could probably make things inconvenient if she's brought in on charges (and Rachel would probably never forgive him).
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Larryb posted:Which gives me all the more reason to wonder how the hell Chloe managed to stay friends with this guy for so long (there's a line in Episode 2 about her having known Eliot since Kindergarten and he explicitly mentions Max by name during the confrontation in the finale). If that's the case, I'm curious if he felt just as threatened by Max way back when as he was by Rachel in the present time. The impression I developed of Elliot is that he's not Chloe's friend so much as someone she maintains a friendly acquaintanceship with. They used to be fairly close (though nowhere near as close as she was with Max) and even had a short-lived fling at some point but they've become different people over the years and now she keeps him at arm's length. He's barely involved in her life anymore but he's convinced himself that they're totally soul mates. Looking back, I roll my eyes when he goes out of his way to sneer at Blackwell's production of The Tempest. Maybe I'm reading too much into it but the impression that gave me is that he's trying to impress Chloe. Like she has a rebellious personality so she's bound to think he's edgy and cool if he craps on the school play. Look at how he reacts after she was not only involved with the play but actually had the time of her life. She blew his fantasy about the two of them being social outcasts together to smithereens and he is not happy about it. Looking at it like that, it becomes easier to understand why he sees Rachel as this evil seductress who's taking the 'real' Chloe away from him. He thinks he's the hero in a very different type of story where he's the quiet geek and the villain is the shallow popular girl who everyone fawns over. It only gets weirder when you go on his computer in Episode Two and see that he was looking up quotes from The Tempest. I wonder why...was he going to make fun of it some more? Eshettar fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Dec 29, 2017 |
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Yvonmukluk posted:Those questions all answer each other. Plus if pressed Chloe's probably got evidence to back it up (the files/emails in James' office, she took his phone with her to the mill, assuming you reunited them at the end Sera is still around to serve as a witness, etc.). Only problem I see is, like you said, Damon is dead so it might be a little hard to pin James to him. Also, if you told the truth at the end Rachel now utterly despises her father and their family has basically been torn apart. I think James is way too much of an egotist to risk losing anything else at that point.
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exquisite tea posted:I watched a playthrough where the streamer deliberately failed their backtalk against Eliot and the whole scene works a lot better that way. He gets much more confrontational and Chloe breaks away by throwing a statue through the window to trigger the alarm. When playing that sequence the first time it didn't make much sense to me in the way it was framed because I kept thinking "Chloe loving clobbered some skeezy meth head with a bottle two days ago, no way she wouldn't just punch this redpiller out." I did wonder about that. Chloe was literally heading out the door to confront one of the baddest hombres in town, and she’s suddenly a shrinking violet with this little bitch?
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skooma512 posted:I did wonder about that. Chloe was literally heading out the door to confront one of the baddest hombres in town, and she’s suddenly a shrinking violet with this little bitch? I think the reason she reacts like that is because the situation comes out of nowhere for her. Those guys at the mill and Damon Merrick are threatening characters but she knew they were bad guys when she encountered them. Elliot's someone she used to consider a friend and even went to bed with. That he's suddenly screaming and breaking stuff is so much more upsetting because she trusted him, making his behavior all the more terrifying when he reveals his true colors. Yes, she now knows he's a threat but he's a threat wearing the face of someone she was close to. Eshettar fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Dec 29, 2017 |
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Yvonmukluk posted:Those questions all answer each other. The plot kinda turns Law & Order SVU for awhile there but Chloe unwittingly does everything James Amber wants by getting both Sera and Damon out of the picture while erasing anything that would personally implicate him in the exchange. Even if Chloe tells the truth, it's the word of two teenage girls against the District Attorney and James Amber was already getting in over his head trying to parley with Damon, so he was probably relieved that Chloe and Frank more or less did all the dirty work for him.
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exquisite tea posted:The plot kinda turns Law & Order SVU for awhile there but Chloe unwittingly does everything James Amber wants by getting both Sera and Damon out of the picture while erasing anything that would personally implicate him in the exchange. Even if Chloe tells the truth, it's the word of two teenage girls against the District Attorney and James Amber was already getting in over his head trying to parley with Damon, so he was probably relieved that Chloe and Frank more or less did all the dirty work for him. And you know, the witness who also broke into the DAs house and has no reason not to lie. Also Chloe admitted on a 911 call that she was in the DAs house so they know she is there. And there is burned evidence in the house. And the cops are there right away, and... ...the more you think about this the worse it is.
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exquisite tea posted:The plot kinda turns Law & Order SVU for awhile there but Chloe unwittingly does everything James Amber wants by getting both Sera and Damon out of the picture while erasing anything that would personally implicate him in the exchange. Even if Chloe tells the truth, it's the word of two teenage girls against the District Attorney and James Amber was already getting in over his head trying to parley with Damon, so he was probably relieved that Chloe and Frank more or less did all the dirty work for him. Technically Sera was still around, though even if she met Rachel at the end there's still no guarantee she wound up staying in Arcadia Bay. Plus all that would really add to their case is the word of a former junkie and some circumstantial evidence (such as the files, emails, phone, etc.) that James could easily dispose of and probably wouldn't be admissible anyway since (as mentioned) it was illegally obtained. Still though, even if James didn't go down for what he did Chloe still scored a pretty major victory against him by taking away the whole reason he did all this (to give Rachel the illusion of a perfect family). Odds are, he probably didn't have enough fight left in him at that point to really press the issue (which could also be the reason he didn't put much effort into looking for his daughter years later, he just didn't care anymore). Plus if Chloe lied at the end wouldn't that basically make Rachel's reaction if she ever found out even worse? As then not only did her father do these terrible things but Chloe technically made herself into his accomplice as well. Larryb fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Dec 29, 2017 |
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Eshettar posted:The impression I developed of Elliot is that he's not Chloe's friend so much as someone she maintains a friendly acquaintanceship with. They used to be fairly close (though nowhere near as close as she was with Max) and even had a short-lived fling at some point but they've become different people over the years and now she keeps him at arm's length. He's barely involved in her life anymore but he's convinced himself that they're totally soul mates. I saw a post on Reddit that made the point that how Eliot reacts to Chloe hanging out with Rachel is very similar to how Chloe reacts to Rachel hanging out with Frank. The jealousy, possessiveness, and accusations that they don't know the real you like I do. Even Chloe's relentless search for Rachel seems kind of stalkery if you factor in that she didn't know if Rachel was dead or actually missing. Rachel could have simply left town like she had always talked about, something Chloe was afraid might have happened at the start. I think Frank even points out that Chloe was the one who drove Rachel to him. And interesting parallel. Canemacar fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Dec 29, 2017 |
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precision posted:unless i missed something we never found out why the ratings page updated to include "brief nudity" for episode 3, so there probably is some cut content Wasn't there a shower scene? That probably qualified.
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Yvonmukluk posted:Wasn't there a shower scene? That probably qualified. You saw about as much there as you did with Max in the first game so unless the original had that warning as well or rating standards have changed in the last two years I don't really think that qualifies.
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skooma512 posted:I did wonder about that. Chloe was literally heading out the door to confront one of the baddest hombres in town, and she’s suddenly a shrinking violet with this little bitch? She fared even worse with Damon, to be fare.
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Larryb posted:You saw about as much there as you did with Max in the first game so unless the original had that warning as well or rating standards have changed in the last two years I don't really think that qualifies. Maybe it's like that one game where they did Ellen Page's face and then gave her game character breasts even though they never actually showed on the screen by default.
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Viridiant posted:She fared even worse with Damon, to be fare. Yeah, at best you can cut his cheek with the knife during that scene but he still kicks your rear end no matter what you choose (in fact if you attack him you kind of make things worse as he then turns the needle he was using to overdose Sera on Chloe). Love Stole the Day posted:Maybe it's like that one game where they did Ellen Page's face and then gave her game character breasts even though they never actually showed on the screen by default. That's possible yes. I haven't watched it but apparently there was a hack for Life is Strange that allowed you to control the camera freely in cutscenes, leading to someone discovering something similar in Episode 2.
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Nudity aside, there were still a few bits of cut content in BtS. Off the top of my head we have: - Taylor (a Backtalk challenge and a few texts, her character is completely scrubbed from the final game but her actress is still listed in the credits) - A few references to an organization called the "Arcadia Bay 15", who were apparently a group of county inmates blaming the DA and the sheriff's department for turning a blind eye to prisoner-on-prisoner violence in their lockup while waiting to be transported to prison - Two scenes from the original trailer that appear nowhere in the main game (one of Chloe sitting at the foot of her bed smoking while the raven lands on her windowsill and another shot of the raven in the park briefly perched atop the viewfinder before flying off). - Two alternate names for Sera found in the game files for episode 1 (one referring to her as "Ruth" and another calling her "Vanessa") - Some database nodes that indicate there was apparently going to be some kind of drug selling mechanic in episode 2 - Aside from the dialogue the preview at the end of the first episode is nothing like how that scene is actually presented in episode 2 More here: http://life-is-strange.wikia.com/wiki/Unused_Content_(Prequel) Haven't found anything in regards to cut content in episode 3 yet but I'm sure something will pop up eventually. Larryb fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Dec 29, 2017 |
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exquisite tea posted:Season One is actually about you trying to prevent a terrible Chloe player from failing every single one of her backtalk challenges. After playing BtS I thought back to Chloe's wake'n'bake in season 1 and just wondered what kind of Press Space to Skip monologue was going through her head. Seeing Chloe have the sort of introspective moments Max did made her character more interesting to me. Going back to the "tough girl Chloe is an act" thing, one bit of Chloe character that I love is that she's secretly an enormous goober. She dyes her hair blue because of manga and sci-fi and she has a corny sense of humor. god bless this dead gay nerd. 3...2...1...Sherry! Larryb posted:
Sera sounds like such a plain name to me, no offense to any Sera/Sarah's out there. Ruth means compassion/sorrow, and Vanessa is a genus of butterflies. Perhaps they chose the spelling they did to evoke "Seraphim", the name of an order of angels whose name apparently means "burning ones". Fitting, I suppose
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Viridiant posted:She fared even worse with Damon, to be fare. She tried at least. Although I still don't know why attack with knife is only an option after you've sauntered in and got his attention. It's too late then, surprise is all Chloe's got since Damon's actually good at violence. I didn't even bother using the knife.
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