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Ever since she left Arcadia Bay Chloe's been a hardcore fitness nut. I hear she's really into... hellates.
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exquisite tea posted:Ever since she left Arcadia Bay Chloe's been a hardcore fitness nut. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHqOnxZGko0
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Jan 5, 2018 22:22
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i just got that chloe literally plays a manic pixie dream girl in the play
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Jan 6, 2018 00:03
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Which is funny when you think about it since Rachel was Chloe's manic pixie dream girl too. The two girls brought out the best in each other. I replayed Before The Storm last week and I'm amazed by how many details are still springing to my notice for the first time. An example: when Chloe tells him about how she just got expelled, Eliot asks if Rachel was involved. Look at how dark the expression on his face suddenly turns as he says her name. The seething mass of resentment was always there just beneath the surface and the confrontation in the study is when it's finally unleashed and Chloe sees him for what he truly is. People have complained that him turning into a possessive creep in Episode Three comes out of nowhere. But the truth is that there were so many clues as to the direction he was heading in from the very beginning. They were just really subtle.
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Wait. Train tracks...a junk yard...an angry man whose dog is trained to attack people...and a dead body. All in the same location. ... And a one! And a two! And a one, two, three, four! HIT IT! When Season Two has come! And Arcadia Bay is left behind! And another prequel is the only light we'll see! No, I won't be afraid! Oh, I won't be afraid! Just as long as you stand! Stand by me! So Chloe! Chlooooooeeeeee! Stand by me! Oooooohhhhhh! Stand by me! Oooooohhhhh! Stand! Stand by me! Stand by meeeeee! If the forest that we look upon! Should catch fire and burn to the ground! Or the town should be claimed by the storm! I won't cry! I won't cry! No, I won't shed a tear! Just as long as you stand by me! Stand by me! So Chloe! Chlooooooeeeeee! Stand by me! Oooooohhhhhh! Stand by me! Oooooohhhhh! Stand now! Stand by me! Stand by me! ... I shall be here all week. Eshettar fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Jan 6, 2018 |
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Jan 6, 2018 13:04
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Eshettar posted:People have complained that him turning into a possessive creep in Episode Three comes out of nowhere. But the truth is that there were so many clues as to the direction he was heading in from the very beginning. They were just really subtle. Yeah, the hints were there but the problem is that you can basically ignore Eliot's existence entirely until the scene at the hospital in Episode 3, they just probably could have done a better job incorporating him is all. Speaking of which, I actually kind of like how the scene (and related part of the ending) plays out if you fail the Backtalk challenge there. Eliot drops the mask entirely, Chloe starts acting more like herself and he finally seems to get the message that Chloe wants nothing to do with him. While she had the attitude from the start I like how Chloe becomes stronger (or at least braver) as the series goes on. She starts off as apathetic about most things but by the end she's taking on a drug lord by herself to save the mother of a girl she's only known for 3 days and later offering her life up for a town that's done nothing but hurt her in order to protect the people she loves. She even becomes more assertive in tense situations (going from freezing up when Damon stabs Rachel to shooting Frank when he tries to do the same to Max). Max, meanwhile, actually seems to develop backwards as the first game goes on. At the start she's kind of reserved but still willing to do the right thing and uses her powers to try and help people as much as she can (true, she can also abuse said powers to make herself seem smarter/more caring than she is but most of those are optional). However, as the game goes on she starts being crushed more and more by the weight of her mistakes until the end where she is basically done with everyone's poo poo and willing to let the world burn if it means keeping Chloe safe. By the time we reach the final scene at the lighthouse the two characters have almost completely swapped roles (Chloe now more or less a complete person again and Max just barely hanging on by a thread) which is a dynamic I've kind of always liked. Chloe never struck me as somebody who necessarily wanted to die so much as someone trying to find a reason to live. This is why I think the "greater beauty" her dad mentioned is actually referring to Chloe herself as while Rachel and Max may have lit the spark inside her, all of her choices as a result of that were still her own. While she might be selfish at times and put on the whole angry punk act Chloe never really stops being a good person, her better nature nearly always shining through when push comes to shove. Compare that to people like James, Eliot and Jefferson who are more or less monsters in human form hiding behind a much more pleasant mask while in the public eye (hell, the first two might be even worse as they truly believe what they're doing is right). I will miss these characters but I'm also curious as to whatever DontNod has in mind for Season 2. As I've said before, as much as I like the character, Chloe's story is basically done now so if we ever return to the Bay I hope they decide to give her a rest for a while and focus on somebody else. Larryb fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Jan 6, 2018 |
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Jan 6, 2018 13:13
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Choosing Bae over Bay could very easily be seen as Max vowing that Chloe won't be forced to suffer for the sins of others any longer. This time, there's a superhero who will stop at nothing to swoop in and save her. To show her that she matters. As I believe another poster remarked, the ending you pick ultimately comes down to what kind of story Life Is Strange was to you. Eshettar fucked around with this message at 13:28 on Jan 6, 2018 |
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Jan 6, 2018 13:25
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Eshettar posted:Choosing Bae over Bay could very easily be seen as Max vowing that Chloe won't be forced to suffer for the sins of others any longer. This time, there's a superhero who will stop at nothing to swoop in and save her. To show her that she matters. True, Max is pretty much the first time in a while that Chloe found someone who loves her completely unconditionally (Rachel clearly cared about her but you also get the sense she wasn't as invested as Chloe needed her to be and while Joyce isn't a bad person by any stretch, she's also way too quick to take David's side and seems to almost want to bury the past as quickly as possible rather than just move on from it) and this is so baffling to Chloe that she finally snaps out of her funk, fully realizing how much her behavior over the last 5 years has hurt those she loves. In a sense, no matter what Max chooses in the end Chloe has already won her "liberty" as alluded to in the play. If Max allows her to sacrifice herself then the town is saved, Chloe no longer has to carry her burden and is reborn as the blue butterfly (much like her dad became a raven and Rachel a doe). If Max doesn't, Chloe might presumably lose the rest of her family and friends but she also no longer has to wear her mask or carry any of the baggage from her past ("I don't want to be an actor, I just want to be myself"), thereby allowing her to start over with a clean slate. Larryb fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Jan 6, 2018 |
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Jan 6, 2018 13:49
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Larryb posted:
That's actually a great observation. Chloe being so eager to have a gun in LiS always made me super nervous, but BtS retroactively explained it as a fear of watching people she cares about get hurt. But she's still not a gunslinging badass so when she does use it in the Frank conversation, especially since Frank is also someone she knows and likes, it really messed her up.
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Jan 6, 2018 16:52
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It also makes a little more sense how Frank got way the hell angrier between games. There was the Rachel stuff obviously, but I imagine having to shank your friend and bury him in a ditch can't help your mental state.
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Jan 6, 2018 17:19
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DeathChicken posted:It also makes a little more sense how Frank got way the hell angrier between games. There was the Rachel stuff obviously, but I imagine having to shank your friend and bury him in a ditch can't help your mental state. I chalk that one up to having to deal with idiots online. He just wanted to give Pompadeau a steak....
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Jan 6, 2018 22:43
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Well, I tried out the iOS version of LiS. I don't really like playing games on a touchscreen, but the touch controls work okay for the most part and my main complaint is that rewinding is now handled by tapping the rewind spiral followed by the "Rewind" or "Quick Undo" icon (hitting the Rewind icon again activates fast rewind). It just doesn't feel right when you're used to holding the left trigger or shoulder button, certainly not at first. The bigger issue I had was the fact the game kind of ran like poo poo, with frequent frame drops and stutters, although that's probably because my iPad is a couple of years old aka more or less ancient by now (insert your own "stuck in the retro zone" quip here). Some of the textures are really low-res as well, and the loading times are much longer than on my PS4 or PC, but these may also be issues caused by playing on an outdated device. Basically, unless you have a new iPhone or iPad, you probably shouldn't bother with the iOS version. DMorbid fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Jan 7, 2018 |
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Jan 6, 2018 22:54
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I have no intention of getting it as I already own the PS4 version but was anything cut/altered in the IOS version that you can tell or is the core game basically the same so far? Speaking of the original I found a weird glitch during a recent playthrough. In episode 5 when the diner explodes I pressed the Quick Rewind button rather than the manual one and when I regained control everything was still black & white, I eventually had to reload from the last checkpoint to fix it. Also, during the conversation with Warren there was a point where Max's mouth suddenly stopped moving but everything else continued as normal. Has anyone else encountered this? There were also a few times (like during the stealth section of the nightmare) where Rewinding would sometimes cause the camera to shift away from Max, disorienting me a bit when I regained control. Larryb fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Jan 7, 2018 |
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Jan 6, 2018 23:57
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Content-wise, the iOS version seems to be identical to the previous releases. To be honest, I didn't get all that far during my test run, but so far I haven't noticed anything missing.
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Jan 7, 2018 00:19
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As an aside, I noticed that the conversation with Nightmare Max actually changes depending on how you play the game. During my recent playthrough I didn't do any of the optional conversations where Max can use her powers to make herself look smarter/more caring by regurgitating information she gained by talking to them previously (with the exception of Courtney if only to make getting into the Vortex Club later a little easier) so as a result the Nightmare didn't grill me about trying to be popular. But conversely, I let David kill Jefferson and didn't help anyone during the storm section so she (rightly) more or less called me a murderer instead. I'm now kind of curious how the conversation goes if you didn't do anything worthy of her getting on your case about.
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Jan 7, 2018 01:00
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I'm not prepared to play through every permutation of the game to find out, but I'm willing to bet that there are some things Nightmare Max will say regardless of your actions. I personally believe the Nightmare section is Max's subconscious and not alternate dimension versions of her and she has the kind of self esteem issues that would cause her to tear herself down regardless of how she acted or what descions she makes.
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Canemacar posted:I'm not prepared to play through every permutation of the game to find out, but I'm willing to bet that there are some things Nightmare Max will say regardless of your actions. I personally believe the Nightmare section is Max's subconscious and not alternate dimension versions of her and she has the kind of self esteem issues that would cause her to tear herself down regardless of how she acted or what descions she makes. At the very least I know she still bitches about Chloe and accuses Max of leaving a trail of death and destruction wherever she goes no matter what you do before that point. Personally, I always kind of thought that the Nightmare was actually the Max from the William Lives timeline (you know, the one where you euthanized/destroyed her relationship with her Chloe and left her holding the bag), but her being Max's subconscious works too. She's the only Max I can think of who would have a legitimate reason to hold a grudge like that anyway (as well as why she seems to hate Chloe so much). Plus, there were hints in the texts from that timeline that that particular Max might not have been the greatest person anyway. Almost a shame we never got some kind of Chloe Vs Chloe Backtalk in BtS. If that's what Max's inner psyche was like then the personification of Chloe's doubts and self-loathing might have been downright terrifying. Larryb fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Jan 7, 2018 |
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Jan 7, 2018 01:33
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Larryb posted:As an aside, I noticed that the conversation with Nightmare Max actually changes depending on how you play the game. During my recent playthrough I didn't do any of the optional conversations where Max can use her powers to make herself look smarter/more caring by regurgitating information she gained by talking to them previously (with the exception of Courtney if only to make getting into the Vortex Club later a little easier) so as a result the Nightmare didn't grill me about trying to be popular. Letting David kill Jefferson should be canon.
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rio posted:Letting David kill Jefferson should be canon. To be honest I kind of regretted it as learning the truth absolutely destroys David. But on the other hand, it was sort of cathartic (especially since I'd replayed BtS beforehand and gotten to know Rachel personally) and since I'd already planned on taking the Sacrifice Chloe route I technically got to see Jefferson get punished 3 times. In fact, since I was going through both games with prior knowledge I made sure to screw over the villains as much as possible. Meaning I: ragged on James as much as possible during BtS episode 2, told Rachel the truth in the end, went out of my way to reunite her and Sera, told Jefferson as little as possible when prompted, threw him under the bus during the meeting with Wells (even though for some reason he still shows up to announce the winner at the Vortex Club party regardless), got David to shoot him and let Chloe sacrifice herself at the end (there's no guarantee that Jefferson didn't survive the storm otherwise after all). Larryb fucked around with this message at 05:03 on Jan 7, 2018 |
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Jan 7, 2018 04:21
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I told David the truth in my first playthrough and it was crushing. To be honest, it's what finally tipped my opinion away from "gently caress this guy". For all his faults, he really shows how much his new family meant to him in that scene. I'm pretty sure once Max leaves the bunker, David puts that gun in his mouth....
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Jan 7, 2018 07:13
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That was entirely the impression I got when he told her to leave the room.
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Jan 7, 2018 10:07
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In an earlier draft of Episode 5 we would have seen David take Max to the hospital, where she'd break out of her room and end up on the street leading to the Two Whales Diner. Ultimately they decided to cut it for pacing, on top of all the other pacing issues this episode had.
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Jan 7, 2018 10:52
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Yeah, for all his faults David isn't really a bad person at heart (if anything, he and Chloe are almost too similar), it's just kind of a struggle for him to adapt to his new life after being in the army. I personally like how the LiS world is never really presented as completely black & white. Just like how a lot of the good guys have their dark sides the bad guys have their good points as well: there's evidence that Sean Prescott might at one point have actually cared about Nathan, Damon apparently used to be better before he fell off the rails and out of Frank's control (plus, he did give Frank Pompidou after all), there's hints that Victoria acts the way she does because she's under a huge amount of pressure from her family to be perfect at everything but at the same time she's also capable of showing remorse for her actions, and in a twisted way James did genuinely love his daughter. The only ones I can think of that might be completely irredeemable are Jefferson as it's kind of hard to tell how much of his earlier behavior was genuine and how much of it was an act (he did call the class out about the viral video and send Kate a sympathy card in the hospital but at the same time he also seemed almost eager to be rid of her) and Wells (he did express guilt over his actions but that could have just been him trying to save face). Eliot's up there too but I guess it's possible he might have been better (or at least better at hiding it) when he was younger as otherwise his relationship with Chloe probably would have exploded long before we actually see it happen. Conversely, the only major characters we see in the other camp that are basically totally good without any hidden side to them are William, Samuel and Kate. Steph and the Norths seemed like pretty decent people as well (Drew made some big mistakes but ultimately it was all just to help his dad). Larryb fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Jan 7, 2018 |
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Jan 7, 2018 11:47
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exquisite tea posted:In an earlier draft of Episode 5 we would have seen David take Max to the hospital, where she'd break out of her room and end up on the street leading to the Two Whales Diner. Ultimately they decided to cut it for pacing, on top of all the other pacing issues this episode had. Honestly I wish that cut had made it into the game. The whole "steal Jefferson's car" thing felt like a weird transition and seeing Max break out of a hospital and make her way through the city in a patient gown would have done more to sell the "Max literally destroying herself to save Chloe" angle the game built up to at the end.
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Canemacar posted:Honestly I wish that cut had made it into the game. The whole "steal Jefferson's car" thing felt like a weird transition and seeing Max break out of a hospital and make her way through the city in a patient gown would have done more to sell the "Max literally destroying herself to save Chloe" angle the game built up to at the end. That would have been more interesting, yes. There was also the "Hospital Ending" which was cut early in development where both girls lived and the town was still saved (I think either Chloe still got shot but survived or Max stepped in and bit the bullet herself), though I'm guessing that was removed because it would kind of contradict the whole thing they had going where Max couldn't really save something without giving up something else (Law of Equivalent Exchange and all that). Even saving Kate can result in Max getting suspended from Blackwell depending on your previous actions (I don't really know how you trigger this event though but it does apparently exist). Larryb fucked around with this message at 05:31 on Jan 8, 2018 |
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Jan 8, 2018 05:25
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Don't tell Wells about the bathroom incident, take the blame for Chloe's weed, and lay the blame for Kate's suicide attempt on Nathan or Jefferson. I think if you blame David but didn't take a photo of him harassing Kate that can also get you suspended.
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Jan 8, 2018 05:53
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Larryb posted:That would have been more interesting, yes. There was also the "Hospital Ending" which was cut early in development where both girls lived and the town was still saved (I think either Chloe still got shot but survived or Max stepped in and bit the bullet herself), though I'm guessing that was removed because it would kind of contradict the whole thing they had going where Max couldn't really save something without giving up something else (Law of Equivalent Exchange and all that). There was a third ending planned where some cumulative prior choices would contribute to Chloe winding up in a coma instead of dead, but this was cut because it felt too wishy washy and the directors wanted the player to fully feel the weight of that final decision.
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UnknownMercenary posted:Don't tell Wells about the bathroom incident, take the blame for Chloe's weed, and lay the blame for Kate's suicide attempt on Nathan or Jefferson. I think if you blame David but didn't take a photo of him harassing Kate that can also get you suspended. I think it's just blaming Nathan, I did those first two steps and blamed Jefferson & got away with it.
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Jan 8, 2018 10:12
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Max will also get suspended if she blames David while taking the blame for selling Chloe weed and/or not taking the picture of him harassing Kate in Episode One. I don't think it's possible for Max to be suspended if she blames Jefferson.
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exquisite tea posted:Max will also get suspended if she blames David while taking the blame for selling Chloe weed and/or not taking the picture of him harassing Kate in Episode One. I don't think it's possible for Max to be suspended if she blames Jefferson. Ah, good to know. I'm almost tempted to go back and do an rear end in a top hat run of both games (that is, go through the whole game intentionally picking the worst/meanest choices, letting Kate/Frank/Pompidou die, etc.) but I'm not really sure I'd have the heart for it. As for Jefferson they probably could have done a little better with that one. They mostly stay consistent with him being bumped from the contest but then he suddenly just shows up at the party anyway towards the end of episode 4 without explanation. I guess they just couldn't be bothered/didn't have time to animate a brand new scene to reflect that possibility or something. Larryb fucked around with this message at 11:24 on Jan 8, 2018 |
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Jan 8, 2018 11:22
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I thought he got bumped from going to San Francisco, not giving the prize at Blackwell. I figure that the presentation at the party was done in an unofficial capacity. Compare the presentation in the Perfect Run by Wells in the classroom.
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Yvonmukluk posted:I thought he got bumped from going to San Francisco, not giving the prize at Blackwell. Oh, I'd thought he was removed from being in charge of the contest entirely. That makes more sense then. Also, after replaying the first game I've managed to rationalize Chloe's school record with how she actually gets kicked out of Blackwell in BtS episode 2 (and LiS does explicitly state on more then one occasion that she was indeed expelled): The record hadn't been updated in a while and the incident where she was suspended for tagging the parking lot with graffiti happened prior to Before the Storm (Wells does mention in that game that Chloe skipping school with Rachel was just one of several offenses she'd committed during her time at Blackwell after all). It's kind of flimsy but it's the best excuse I could think of. As for Max stating in her journal that Blackwell was a finishing school for seniors as opposed to it being a normal (albeit somewhat private) high school in BtS: A lot can change in 3 years (they might have just decided to restructure the school at some point, possibly as a result of Sean Prescott coming to basically own most of it). Finally, apparently the line from Samuel during the stealth section of the Nightmare actually is in the final game (I triggered it by accident while I was stumbling around), it's just very rare. Pretty sure William was still cut out of it though. Larryb fucked around with this message at 13:35 on Jan 8, 2018 |
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Jan 8, 2018 13:06
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The how and when of Chloe’s expulsion from Blackwell is one of those who cares retcons that was never really established very deeply by Dontnod and results in a better dramatic moment for Before the Storm, anyway.
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exquisite tea posted:The how and when of Chloe’s expulsion from Blackwell is one of those who cares retcons that was never really established very deeply by Dontnod and results in a better dramatic moment for Before the Storm, anyway. True, as far as potential plot holes go the ones I mentioned are about as minor as you can get. Just saying that there are ways of rationalizing them if you feel like it. Otherwise Before the Storm is one of the few prequels I've seen that actually makes the original a little better through its inclusion (it still wasn't a story that really needed to be told but ultimately I'm glad it was). Not only does it make characters like Frank a lot more sympathetic and Rachel's fate much more impactful now that you've actually gotten to know her as a person rather than just this mythical being everyone talks about but Chloe's behavior and actions during the first game now make perfect sense. Remember, basically every time Chloe encountered Damon in BtS she failed. The first time she either stepped in and Mikey got hurt or stayed out of it and Drew got hurt, the second time she froze up and Rachel got stabbed and the third time not only did she fail to stop him from dosing Sera (and depending on your actions almost became a victim herself) but it was Frank who ultimately finished him off. Add in the fact that she once again failed to protect Rachel and, if you chose to hide the truth, basically had to lie to the person she loved most for years just to keep her happy. So of course when Life is Strange came around Chloe would be much more aggressive and desperate to hold on to David's gun, she was terrified of making another mistake/winding up alone again.This could also partially factor in to her final decision at the end, Chloe didn't want Max to go down the same road she and Rachel did and just become another victim of the town. Larryb fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Jan 8, 2018 |
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Larryb posted:
Keep in mind that Nathan's school record is outright falsified. So it's not outside the boundaries of possibility that Wells fudged about the circumstances surrounding Chloe's expulsion. He can hardly say that the school was going through a spot of financial hardship so he decided to save some extra cash by blaming Chloe for the misdeeds of Drew and Victoria as an excuse to take her scholarship away. So he puts all the focus on the things she actually did and leaves it at that. It's not the full truth but it's not entirely a lie. Joyce doesn't have the means to sue the school for the blatant injustice and nobody's going to squint too closely at the record of a long-since-expelled delinquent student now are they? If you say the wrong thing during Chloe's confrontation with Wells in front of the stage, he'll jump on a sarcastic remark she makes and later use it as 'proof' that she abuses drugs. So there you have it, proof that he's not above twisting the truth when it suits him to do so. Basically, that whole conversation was Wells fishing for an excuse to suspend or outright boot Chloe out of Blackwell. Eshettar fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Jan 8, 2018 |
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Jan 8, 2018 16:10
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Screwy thing is Chloe was pretty goddamn good as an artist going by her sketches. And she at least knew her periodic tables better than Victoria 
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DeathChicken posted:Screwy thing is Chloe was pretty goddamn good as an artist going by her sketches. And she at least knew her periodic tables better than Victoria Yeah, we see several hints in both games that Chloe is actually really smart (and a bit of a science nerd) when she applies herself, she just kind of gave up on it after her dad died and everything snowballed from there. Wells falsifying her record also makes sense. By his own admission he has a weakness for prestige, so of course he would chose to punish the delinquent to protect the reputation of the more "valued" students. Remember, in the other timeline Chloe was basically booted out of Blackwell because of her disability. Which of course means the "handicap fund" they found in Wells' office was complete bullshit. As an aside, I really like how during that meeting Joyce for once was completely on Chloe's side (having the same take-no-poo poo attitude that her daughter does). It does kind of suck that Wells is the only one who never really gets punished for his actions though.
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Larryb posted:Wells falsifying her record also makes sense. By his own admission he has a weakness for prestige, so of course he would chose to punish the delinquent to protect the reputation of the more "valued" students (remember, in the other timeline Chloe was basically booted out of Blackwell because of her disability. Which of course means the "handicap fund" they found in Wells' office was complete bullshit). Well, except for the timeline where if you take it, the renovations for the dorms for disabled access are cancelled due to lack of funds. So maybe not complete bullshit.
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Larryb posted:Otherwise Before the Storm is one of the few prequels I've seen that actually makes the original a little better through its inclusion The part where Chloe gets pissed at Max for taking Kate's phone call ends up feeling way less one sided after playing BtS. The first time around you're like "holy poo poo Chloe stop being an rear end in a top hat, Kate is going through some poo poo" but after playing BtS I can't help but feel really sympathetic to Chloe getting angry there. She still obviously overreacts but it makes sense why she does. There's situations like that throughout the entire game. Max does just straight up stop responding to her after a while when she moves and just completely abandons her, and then when she's back doesn't at all try to reconnect with her like, first thing. She waits like a month and really only when Chloe stumbles upon her in the parking lot
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