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Canemacar
Mar 8, 2008

What about a prequel as a period piece set in the 80s about the original Vortex Club? Go full John Hughes with it.

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Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

LoseHound posted:

I don't think James was justified or deserving of sympathy, I just think "once rachel was no longer perfect he was like eh whatever" is a really boring interpretation. He once cared about Sera and tried making it work, yet she was in no position to be a parent. Even now that she's cleaned up, James isn't willing to let her waltz back in after however many years and be a threat to what's "his". I think him truly caring about Rachel and showing it in a terrible destructive way is much more interesting than saying he sucks and is bad and never loved her anyway.

The point I was making was that James and David have a similar motivation. They think of their families as theirs a thing that must be protected, even if it means doing wrong and keeping secrets to keep them safe. How everyone else feels doesn't matter because it's for their own good. Father-knows-best cranked all the way up.

Yeah that's fair, and if some of the stuff he said about Sera was true (particularly the "brought criminals and drug dealers into [their] home" thing) then she actually was a serious danger to Rachel and he was probably justified in initially leaving her. That still doesn't excuse what he did afterwards but I do kind of understand where he was coming from.

I agree that while people can go to extremes for those they love (hell, even William admits that he'd probably do anything to protect Chloe), both James and David did still kind of cross a line (the former was probably worse than the latter though) and I don't believe they should be rewarded for such actions no matter how noble their intentions were, which is why I told Rachel the truth and sided with Chloe during the argument in LiS Episode 3. But yeah, different extremes, same basic motive and both wind up paying for it in the end.

It's also important to note that David eventually comes to regret his actions and does prove himself to be a good person at heart but James never really does the same (he did start coming of as slightly more sympathetic at the start of Episode 3, but then the truth comes out when Chloe breaks into his office and suddenly the player is made to hate him even more).

It's actually a pretty good twist as initially I was all set to write Sera off as a villain (I think it was the scene at the end of Episode 1 where she's smoking by the fire with a smirk on her face that first made me think something was off about her) and thought she was going to be kind of a dark mirror of all of Rachel's worst traits but nope, turns out what the game presented to us was correct and it was James all along (though like I said, Sera isn't entirely blameless in all this either).

Larryb fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Jan 10, 2018

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

exquisite tea posted:

To be honest I don't think Dontnod themselves really made up their minds on what Blackwell was and Deck Nine kind of bailed them out with the whole private four-year high school + finishing program explanation. If you follow the original timeline though Max is already 18 when she starts at Blackwell, and Chloe and Rachel would have graduated a year earlier. But then they do a weird thing where Victoria and Nathan are also sophomores in BtS even though they'd have to be freshmen to still be at Blackwell when Max attends. Anyway my brain hurts so I'm not going to think too much about it.

Time travel :v:

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

Canemacar posted:

What about a prequel as a period piece set in the 80s about the original Vortex Club? Go full John Hughes with it.

I think I even mentioned this specifically before but hell yes I want that

Eshettar
May 9, 2013

*whispers*

yospos, bithc
Even though we never see the two of them onscreen together, Eliot is a dark mirror of Max.

Let's look at Chloe's relationship with Max. They were friends since childhood. Chloe was heartbroken when Max was forced to leave Arcadia Bay and then stopped answering her text messages. As angry as their estrangement left Chloe, she never stopped longing for Max's return and when they meet again, she's quick to welcome her friend back despite some initial tension. There's a real bond between them. A bond so powerful that when Chloe is shot before her eyes, Max gains the power to defy the laws of nature and rewind time, giving her the chance to save her friend from being senselessly killed. Keep in mind that this happens before Max even recognizes the blue-haired wild girl as Chloe. I think it's safe to say that their friendship is powerful stuff. Literally.

And now let's look at Chloe's relationship with Eliot. They've known each other since kindergarten. Unlike Max, Eliot stays involved in Chloe's life after her dad dies. We know this because she mentions in his profile that they hooked up a few times shortly after the car accident. Rather than grow deeper and stronger with the passing years, Chloe and Eliot's relationship stagnates as she becomes a very different person from him. When the first episode of Before The Storm begins, they aren't even really friends anymore. He's reduced to hanging around near the entrance to the school and in the parking lot so he has an excuse to encounter this girl who's too nice to tell him he's now just some guy who exists on the periphery of her life. And after their last encounter, when she's seen him for what he truly is and he's been banished from her life, Chloe never thinks about Eliot ever again.

You could say that Life Is Strange and Before The Storm both come together to tell the story of a town ruled by those who have forgotten the power of love and now seek power in place of love. I'm looking at you, James Amber and Sean Prescott.

Canemacar
Mar 8, 2008

precision posted:

I think I even mentioned this specifically before but hell yes I want that

Probably where I got the idea then. My only request is please no Simple Minds on the soundtrack. Too cliche.

Eshettar posted:

Even though we never see the two of them onscreen together, Eliot is a dark mirror of Max.

Let's look at Chloe's relationship with Max. They were friends since childhood. Chloe was heartbroken when Max was forced to leave Arcadia Bay and then stopped answering her text messages. As angry as their estrangement left Chloe, she never stopped longing for Max's return and when they meet again, she's quick to welcome her friend back despite some initial tension. There's a real bond between them. A bond so powerful that when Chloe is shot before her eyes, Max gains the power to defy the laws of nature and rewind time, giving her the chance to save her friend from being senselessly killed. Keep in mind that this happens before Max even recognizes the blue-haired wild girl as Chloe. I think it's safe to say that their friendship is powerful stuff. Literally.

And now let's look at Chloe's relationship with Eliot. They've known each other since kindergarten. Unlike Max, Eliot stays involved in Chloe's life after her dad dies. We know this because she mentions in his profile that they hooked up a few times shortly after the car accident. Rather than grow deeper and stronger with the passing years, Chloe and Eliot's relationship stagnates as she becomes a very different person from him. When the first episode of Before The Storm begins, they aren't even really friends anymore. He's reduced to hanging around near the entrance to the school and in the parking lot so he has an excuse to encounter this girl who's too nice to tell him he's now just some guy who exists on the periphery of her life. And after their last encounter, when she's seen him for what he truly is and he's been banished from her life, Chloe never thinks about Eliot ever again.

You could say that Life Is Strange and Before The Storm both come together to tell the story of a town ruled by those who have forgotten the power of love and now seek power in place of love. I'm looking at you, James Amber and Sean Prescott.

There, but for the grace of gay, go I.

Eshettar
May 9, 2013

*whispers*

yospos, bithc
:golfclap:

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


When the gay is strong, the bond between our intrepid heroes is unwavering and unbreakable. When the gay is weakened by conflicted thoughts of ex-girlfriends or familial drama, bad things happen.

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

That's actually a pretty good point though personally I've always seen Jefferson as more the dark version of Max at least as far as personality/actions go. While Max made some big mistakes and at times used her powers to make others think she was better than she was she's still a good person at heart that's gotten in way over her head and wants to use what she's been given to help however she can. Jefferson, meanwhile, actively abuses his talents, manipulates those that trust him to further his own ends and then discards them when they live out their usefulness. The two of them also both embody elements of Max's namesake Holden Caulfield (specifically the obsession with the concept of innocence), Jefferson wanting to capture it forever in his photos while Max tries to use her power to prevent it from ever being lost in the first place.

Off the subject both Max and Rachel (in a sense) display powers that fit their personalities. Max is introverted and always second guessing herself so therefore is given the ability to literally fix her mistakes. Rachel is a free spirit, wild, and constantly changing herself to fit her situation, hence some kind of unconscious control over air/fire. BtS is intentionally vague about this of course but there is evidence to back it up: the inhuman scream she makes in Episode 1 that seems to spread the flames, how during dinner in Episode 2 the flames on the candles suddenly seem to get bigger for a moment as the world becomes temporarily muted around her, and finally after she gets stabbed in Episode 3 you can overhear some firemen in the hospital talking about how the wildfire that's been burning the whole game suddenly went out on its own. As such, it's possible that her death prior to LiS could have been what brought the storm in the first place, it was her revenge against the town and everyone that hurt her.

Therefore, while she might not have a "power" per se is it possible that Chloe herself might be a bit special too? Despite her insistence that she has no friends she almost seems to act as a beacon that draws others towards her (for both good and bad). She also appears to have some limited prophetic ability through her dreams (though part of that could have just been because of the raven's influence), acts as a catalyst for change (both Rachel and Max first use their respective "power" while in Chloe's presence during a traumatic moment, meaning she could have somehow given it to them unconsciously) and, much like her father and Rachel, her spirit continues to persist in another form (the butterfly) following her death.

Larryb fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Jan 10, 2018

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
i think Elliott would have worked a lot better if they had simply visually coded him to be more similar to Chloe. he talks about how they used to go see bands together and such, just give the guy a drat band t-shirt and a mohawk or something, there's too much "tell" and almost no "show" as to why they were allegedly such good friends

like he comes across as the kind of guy who would think he's good friends with a girl just because they have small talk between classes

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

precision posted:

i think Elliott would have worked a lot better if they had simply visually coded him to be more similar to Chloe. he talks about how they used to go see bands together and such, just give the guy a drat band t-shirt and a mohawk or something, there's too much "tell" and almost no "show" as to why they were allegedly such good friends

like he comes across as the kind of guy who would think he's good friends with a girl just because they have small talk between classes

Yeah, outside of his texts I think there are a grand total of three scenes in the entire game where you actually have to speak to him. At least Warren was a semi-major character in the first game and you got the sense that outside of his crush he and Max were genuinely friends with each other. Eliot coming across that way could have been the point though (and his dialogue seems to back that up, plus I don't think Chloe ever explicitly says that they're friends) but they probably could have done a little more with him to make it work better.

Off the subject but I've recently discovered that some of the Backtalk challenges have a lot more "rounds" to them then what you would normally see (try failing a few times if you can then start picking the right choices again). Also, failing a Backtalk sometimes arguably produces a more satisfying result than succeeding (Skip, Eliot).

I also noticed that if you don't do the Backtalk with David (or don't put the picture of William on the dresser, one of the two) then the picture of him with 14 year old Chloe will not be in Joyce's purse during the first dream sequence and if you didn't do the D&D game Chloe will make another Blade Runner reference during Steph's later text about Wells later on. That's one of the reasons why I love this series, there's just so much content that, if you're willing to experiment, it's basically a different experience every time you play.

Larryb fucked around with this message at 12:28 on Jan 12, 2018

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

precision posted:

like he comes across as the kind of guy who would think he's good friends with a girl just because they have small talk between classes

Well that's basically what he is, he just also got laid. Chloe never really says they were friends, just that they've been at the same schools since kinder.

yegods
Apr 6, 2007

Cerebus can destroy ANYTHING. Cerebus is the POPE.
I found reading through this thread after the fact very interesting, so I looked for the original Life is Strange thread, but couldn't find it. I do have archives enabled, but all I get for searching is this thread. Anyone have better searching skills than I?

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

yegods posted:

I found reading through this thread after the fact very interesting, so I looked for the original Life is Strange thread, but couldn't find it. I do have archives enabled, but all I get for searching is this thread. Anyone have better searching skills than I?

Here:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3698214

yegods
Apr 6, 2007

Cerebus can destroy ANYTHING. Cerebus is the POPE.

cool! You mind telling me how you found it? (just so i can feel extra dumb:)

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

yegods posted:

cool! You mind telling me how you found it? (just so i can feel extra dumb:)

I just started from page 20 of Games and worked my way backwards until I found it.

Off the subject, through experimenting I've found that if you don't step in between Nathan and Drew during the first episode then Joyce will not be on Chloe's side during the meeting at the start of the second. Also, strangely enough there are a lot more opportunities for Max to come off as a complete rear end in a top hat in the first game then there are for Chloe in BtS (plus the fact that there just seem to be less NPCs in general for you to interact with in that game).

Larryb fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Jan 12, 2018

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!
What happens if you basically fail all the "badass" moments that Rachel lists off at the end of episode one? What does she say instead? I know in mine she specifically mentions me talking my way past the bodyguard, hitting the dude with the bottle, and defending Nathan. I didn't backtalk Principle Wells so I don't even know if she comments on that. But if you don't defend Nathan, run from the dudes and intentionally fail the bodyguard backtalk, what does she say instead?

Canemacar
Mar 8, 2008

Macaluso posted:

What happens if you basically fail all the "badass" moments that Rachel lists off at the end of episode one? What does she say instead? I know in mine she specifically mentions me talking my way past the bodyguard, hitting the dude with the bottle, and defending Nathan. I didn't backtalk Principle Wells so I don't even know if she comments on that. But if you don't defend Nathan, run from the dudes and intentionally fail the bodyguard backtalk, what does she say instead?

"Eh. At least you're pretty"

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Macaluso posted:

What happens if you basically fail all the "badass" moments that Rachel lists off at the end of episode one? What does she say instead? I know in mine she specifically mentions me talking my way past the bodyguard, hitting the dude with the bottle, and defending Nathan. I didn't backtalk Principle Wells so I don't even know if she comments on that. But if you don't defend Nathan, run from the dudes and intentionally fail the bodyguard backtalk, what does she say instead?

I think she just skips straight to commenting on how you came with her no questions asked (I was trying to fail the first Backtalk on a recent playthrough but then encountered some dialogue trees I hadn't seen before and wound up bouncing back completely by accident). I don't believe she mentions the Wells Backtalk no matter what the outcome of that is, just the one and the mill and the one with Nathan.

I still question how Rachel saw those things though as for the first one she's already inside dancing in the mosh pit (shaka brah) by the time Chloe got into the mill (unless she was hiding somewhere and then just slipped in the back way without either Chloe or the bouncer seeing her somehow) and the second time given where she was (in front of a door covered by posters) I'd think it'd be kind of hard to see or hear anything.

Larryb fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Jan 12, 2018

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!
She used her deer familiar to see those things

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


Depending on what variation you get for the kiss scene Rachel more or less says she had Steph running recon to see what Chloe thought of her, and Steph would have probably seen the Drew vs. Nathan fight. The real answer here though is probably "it's cool to acknowledge past dialogue choices, video games, the end."

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

exquisite tea posted:

Depending on what variation you get for the kiss scene Rachel more or less says she had Steph running recon to see what Chloe thought of her, and Steph would have probably seen the Drew vs. Nathan fight. The real answer here though is probably "it's cool to acknowledge past dialogue choices, video games, the end."

Huh, never saw that one. What choices do you have to make to get that particular conversation?

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!
I just looked up a "kiss variations" thing on youtube and the only mention of Steph is if you say Rachel is single. Rachel will call you out on that and be like "What's that about?". None of the variations I saw seemed to imply that she was having Steph do anything with regards to Chloe. Unless you were making a joke and I missed it :v:

I will say I had no idea there were so many ways the kiss and conversation after the kiss could go. I went full 100% romance the whole way so of course I got the full makeout one. One of them does have a cute little bit where Chloe tries to get Rachel to kiss her again to which Rachel replies "I have to save something to bribe you with later if you change your mind"

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


Larryb posted:

Huh, never saw that one. What choices do you have to make to get that particular conversation?

You need to not be 100% thirsty for the kiss and tell Steph that Rachel is single. Rachel will say "that's not what Steph Gingrich said," which to me implies the only reason why Steph was even asking Chloe is because Rachel asked her to do it.

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!
Steph has the hots for Rachel and she even says that she plans on making a move on Rachel unless the two of you are a thing. Getting that Steph reply with the kiss would just make me assume she tried to make her move on Rachel and was shot down with Rachel replying "I'm kind of in this thing with Chloe". I don't think it's any kind of recon or anything like that. I think you're just supposed to assume Rachel sees the choices you make off camera (somehow).

This game felt like it had was less LET ME LIST OFF THE CHOICES YOU MADE WE REMEMBERED moments than the first one did. That bit at the end of episode 1 is done in a way where it ends up feeling kind of natural. Some with that Steph reply. The only one that feels like WE REMEMBERED THE CHOICE YOU MADE is Victoria will say something like "You can't be back here. OOOOOR are you just trying to sabotage the play like you sabotaged my homework?" and I was like okay game that one is a little on the nose

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Macaluso posted:

Steph has the hots for Rachel and she even says that she plans on making a move on Rachel unless the two of you are a thing. Getting that Steph reply with the kiss would just make me assume she tried to make her move on Rachel and was shot down with Rachel replying "I'm kind of in this thing with Chloe". I don't think it's any kind of recon or anything like that. I think you're just supposed to assume Rachel sees the choices you make off camera (somehow).

This game felt like it had was less LET ME LIST OFF THE CHOICES YOU MADE WE REMEMBERED moments than the first one did. That bit at the end of episode 1 is done in a way where it ends up feeling kind of natural. Some with that Steph reply. The only one that feels like WE REMEMBERED THE CHOICE YOU MADE is Victoria will say something like "You can't be back here. OOOOOR are you just trying to sabotage the play like you sabotaged my homework?" and I was like okay game that one is a little on the nose

The game does kind of vaguely hint at her having some sort of unconscious power over air/fire and she is one of 3 people in the series we see come back as some sort of other creature after death (the others being William and Chloe) so maybe there is something supernatural about her after all. I doubt we're ever going to know for sure though unless they make some kind of Rachel-focused game in the future.

If you succeed in the first Backtalk Chloe also can reprise the line she used on the bouncer at the mill later in Rachel's room (the "army of robot ninjas" one) and if you slip the money into Joyce's purse in Episode 1 she'll bring it up when you meet her in the parking lot in Episode 2. The only other time I can think of where the game specifically lists your previous actions is the confrontation with Eliot in Episode 3. While a full fledged nightmare sequence ala the first game might not have worked that well it might have been better if we got a Backtalk against Ravendad or some kind of Nightmare Chloe where you were basically judged for your every major action in the game.

As an aside, complying with David in the parking lot produces a much more satisfying result if you didn't buy weed from Frank back at the mill. Not only does it make him look like an rear end but I think it's also the only time in the entire game where Joyce actually calls him out about something (she's also much more apologetic to Chloe in that scene).

Larryb fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Jan 15, 2018

Eshettar
May 9, 2013

*whispers*

yospos, bithc

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Well that's basically what he is, he just also got laid. Chloe never really says they were friends, just that they've been at the same schools since kinder.

Exactly. Having slept with Chloe, he seems to think that she's his. And having marked his territory, he has every right to make Rachel stay away, no matter what he has to do. As far as Eliot's concerned, Chloe is the Ramona Flowers to his Scott Pilgrim. But in reality, Chloe probably just slept with him because she was feeling lonely after her dad died and Max was gone.

Imagine if Max moved back to Arcadia Bay and patched things up with Chloe during Before The Storm. Eliot would hate her guts for supposedly taking Chloe's attention away from him. He'd be calling her photography pretentious (just like he makes fun of the play) and accusing her of being fake whereas Chloe is real. And so on and so forth.

I like Eliot. Not as a person, you understand, but as a character. His behavior toward Chloe just goes to show that it's not just stereotypical jocks who can be afflicted by toxic masculinity.

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Eshettar posted:

Exactly. Having slept with Chloe, he seems to think that she's his. And having marked his territory, he has every right to make Rachel stay away, no matter what he has to do. As far as Eliot's concerned, Chloe is the Ramona Flowers to his Scott Pilgrim. But in reality, Chloe probably just slept with him because she was feeling lonely after her dad died and Max was gone.

Imagine if Max moved back to Arcadia Bay and patched things up with Chloe during Before The Storm. Eliot would hate her guts for supposedly taking Chloe's attention away from him. He'd be calling her photography pretentious (just like he makes fun of the play) and accusing her of being fake whereas Chloe is real. And so on and so forth.

I like Eliot. Not as a person, you understand, but as a character. His behavior toward Chloe just goes to show that it's not just stereotypical jocks who can be afflicted by toxic masculinity.

Makes me almost wonder if a young Eliot is going to pop up during the bonus episode somewhere, it might be interesting to see how he interacts with Max (it seems like he knew her as otherwise why would he refer to her by name rather than just "that loser friend of yours" or something).

As an aside, I noticed that when Rachel's phone goes off in Episode 2 if you look closely it's the exact same display from the after credits scene at the end of the game (complete with the same picture and the words "Chloe Calling").

Larryb fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Jan 15, 2018

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Out of curiosity, is the bonus episode also named after a line from The Tempest like the three main episodes are?

And continuing on it being an analogy for the series if Rachel is Prospero and Chloe Ariel I guess that would make Max Miranda then. Rachel is constantly watching over her as the spirit doe and she is never in any real danger from the storm (Rachel even guides her through it in one of her dreams), the same way Miranda's father tried to protect her from the events occurring in the play.

Also, much like how in the play it was Miranda's love for Ferdinand that convinced Prospero to give up his revenge and finally grant Ariel their freedom it's Max's intense devotion to Chloe that ultimately frees the latter from her burdens and stops the storm (one way or another).

If Chloe is sacrificed, she's reborn as a butterfly and finally granted the freedom she'd always desired ("We shall fly beyond this isle -- the corners of the world our mere prologue"). If the town is sacrificed Chloe is at last freed from the burdens of her past, now having the opportunity to start over and live without the mask she's worn for the last 5 years ("I don't want to be an actor, I just want to be myself").

Larryb fucked around with this message at 11:26 on Jan 14, 2018

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Larryb posted:

Out of curiosity, is the bonus episode also named after a line from The Tempest like the three main episodes are?

Could be. There's

quote:

CALIBAN SINGS.
Farewel, old Master, farewel, farewel.
No more Dams I’le make for Fish,
Nor fetch in firing at requiring,
Nor scrape Trencher, nor wash Dish,
Ban, Ban, Cackaliban
Has a new Master, get a new man.
Heigh-day, Freedom, freedom!

and

quote:

ALONZO
O name not me, I am grown old, my Son; I now am tedious to the world,
and that, by use, is so to me: but, Ferdinand, I grieve my subjects loss in
thee: Alas! I suffer justly for my crimes,butwhythou shouldest—O Heaven!
[A cry within.
Heark, farewel my Son! a long farewel!

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


You know I really didn't think Eliot's turn in Episode 3 was done very well but after reading the Aziz Ansari story this morning my mind is extremely :thunk:.

DeathChicken
Jul 9, 2012

Nonsense. I have not yet begun to defile myself.

I'm surprised she never brings up the serial killer journal even if you found it. She thinks enough of it to give you the option of writing "You're creepy" on his wall in the prior chapter, at least.

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!
Eliot's whole thing in episode 3 would've felt way less out of place if you weren't able to avoid almost every single interaction you could have with him. Unlike Warren who you had to interact with several times to progress the story, you can skip almost all of Elliot's poo poo. You can choose not to read his text messages, you can completely walk around him in the parking lot, you can choose to not go into his room, you can totally miss the little "2 month-iversery" note that's in Chloe's drawer. I think there's literally only one moment where you can't avoid him, and that's when walking into school in the first episode. Aside from the note, I did all of the above and so when it came time for his scene in episode 3 it just ended up feeling out of place.

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


Something like 70% of people don't even end up talking to Eliot at the beginning of Episode 2, it probably should have been mandatory if that's the kind of turn they were going for.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
I don't think it actually matters all that much, in fact I think it would probably enhance it. Being completely blindsided by a stalker who is completely obsessed with you and you've only had a single interaction with seems to be pretty much exactly what they were going for. It's not as if he's particularly well fleshed out even if you have every interaction with him, you just get some extra insight that he's creepy.

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

DeathChicken posted:

I'm surprised she never brings up the serial killer journal even if you found it. She thinks enough of it to give you the option of writing "You're creepy" on his wall in the prior chapter, at least.

The closest it comes is that if you write on Eliot's wall he will bring it up during the hospital scene in Episode 3, but Chloe just brushes it off as a joke.

But yeah, there are only three times in the entire game where you have to interact with Eliot (the scene when you first get to school, the aforementioned hospital scene, and the final confrontation at the Amber house).

Considering where it ultimately leads and the fact that he's apparently important enough to get a character bio in Chloe's diary, they probably could have handled him a bit better than they did (hell, Kate played more of a role than that in the first game and she oddly never got a bio). I think what they actually did still works though.

Larryb fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Jan 14, 2018

the_american_dream
Apr 12, 2008

GAHDAMN
Just finished this finally. That post credit ending gave me chills. gently caress that guy

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

the_american_dream posted:

Just finished this finally. That post credit ending gave me chills. gently caress that guy

BtS is an example of a prequel done right, it enhances the experience of the orginal by adding extra context. There were some minor issues such as the Backtalk mechanic is fun but mostly pointless, aside from setting up Chloe and Rachel's relationship the story doesn't really kick in until the tail end of the first episode (which wouldn't be so bad if the game wasn't 3 episodes long, it still handles it as best it can though) and a few things could stand to have been fleshed out a bit more (such as Eliot and not dumping Sera's entire arc on us in the last episode) but honesty I wouldn't mind seeing Deck Nine take a crack at this franchise again one day.

The new characters are decent and I actually wouldn't mind seeing more of them in the future (Steph is probably my favorite). Even the new voice actors turned out surprisingly good. DeVries makes a fine backup Chloe if the character is ever needed again and Burch is for some reason unavailable, Kylie Brown was basically the perfect choice for Rachel and I hope she gets more work in the future, and a lot of the other voices either sound nearly indistinguishable from the originals (Joyce, Nathan, Victoria to a lesser extent) or in some cases, better than the originals (Wells, Justin, Hayden). The only ones I wasn't really sold on were David and Samuel, but you get used to them after a while.

Back to Eliot, while it's one of the more creative uses of the Backtalk mechanic in the game I actually like it better if you fail rather than succeed. Chloe starts acting a lot more like herself and Eliot drops the Nice Guy act completely as he finally realizes Chloe wants nothing to do with him. It just feels much more satisfying overall.

As an aside I just realized that Victoria seems to exist almost entirely for the purpose of getting dunked on by the protagonists. You can have Chloe sabotage her home work, have Rachel drug her/trick her into drugging herself, Max spills paint on her and has the option of taking a picture afterwards, you can mess up the photos in her room and finally if Max warns her about Nathan she winds up getting abducted and murdered by Jefferson (or presumably get killed by the storm if Max doesn't warn her). To be fair, she brings a lot of it on herself so it comes off as more amusing than it does tragic.

Incidentally, there is a way to change the outcome of events prior to the start of the play. If you got Rachel booted from the play there is a Backtalk you can do with Victoria where Chloe tries to convince her to drop out of the show. If you succeed Victoria will admit that she never actually thought she was going to get the part and thus made no preparation whatsoever (she apparently doesn't even like theater). Later, after hearing about Juliet's absence Victoria publicly quits the play and storms off, at which point things continue as normal. It's probably the best possible result you can get from that scene (though switching the cups when the situation is reversed is probably the funniest in my opinion).

Larryb fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Jan 15, 2018

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

I'm still missing a graffiti spot in Episode 3, where's the "Picture of the Survivors"?

Also the final real interaction with David is kind of weird to me, while he's still trying to be understanding and help Chloe cope with the loss of her father, if you complied with him in the parking lot but weren't carrying weed (though for some reason her carrying cigarettes seems to be perfectly ok) he is actually super apologetic and even admits that asking Chloe to empty her pockets was out of line (he doesn't even rummage through Chloe's room in that scenario). Which kind of makes me wonder how in just 3 years he went from that to spying on his new family, barging into Chloe's room and physically striking her when she talks back.

Finally, we might have an exact date where the bonus episode takes place. Rewatching the trailer for the Deluxe version I noticed the date July 28, 2007 written at one point. Don't remember where in the timeline that would fall exactly (that is, whether or not it happens just before William's death or just before Max leaves for Seattle). I'm still guessing it's probably going to be the latter though.

Larryb fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Jan 16, 2018

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Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


Larryb posted:

I'm still missing a graffiti spot in Episode 3, where's the "Picture of the Survivors"?

Also the final real interaction with David is kind of weird to me, while he's still trying to be understanding and help Chloe cope with the loss of her father, if you complied with him in the parking lot but weren't carrying weed (though for some reason her carrying cigarettes seems to be perfectly ok) he is actually super apologetic and even admits that asking Chloe to empty her pockets was out of line (he doesn't even rummage through Chloe's room in that scenario). Which kind of makes me wonder how in just 3 years he went from that to spying on his new family, barging into Chloe's room and physically striking her when she talks back.

Finally, we might have an exact date where the bonus episode takes place. Rewatching the trailer for the Deluxe version I noticed the date July 28, 2007 written at one point. Don't remember where in the timeline that would fall exactly (that is, whether or not it happens just before William's death or just before Max leaves for Seattle). I'm still guessing it's probably going to be the latter though.

It's the Blackwell Class Photo in Chloe's room.

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