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David is a pretty textbook abusive jerk. He has flashes of being Okay, which just lets your guard down enough for him to do something most certainly Not Okay. Repeat forever. I'm sure he has internal reasons for it such as his friend getting blown up in Nam or whatever, but it is what it is.
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Jan 16, 2018 20:02
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exquisite tea posted:2007 is a whole year before William dies or Max moves to Seattle. Huh, if that's the case I'm curious now why the episode is called "Farewell" then (maybe it's more of a meta thing, this is the last time we're probably going to see these characters for a while after all). It would be nice to see Chloe actually happy for once though. This is still Life is Strange though so I doubt we're going to make it through a whole episode without something less then ideal happening. Yvonmukluk posted:It's the Blackwell Class Photo in Chloe's room. Thanks, I was wondering if it had something to do with David's photo at first as I've never tried rejecting it. Larryb fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Jan 16, 2018 |
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Jan 16, 2018 20:06
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Larryb posted:Also the final real interaction with David is kind of weird to me, while he's still trying to be understanding and help Chloe cope with the loss of her father, if you complied with him in the parking lot but weren't carrying weed (though for some reason her carrying cigarettes seems to be perfectly ok) he is actually super apologetic and even admits that asking Chloe to empty her pockets was out of line (he doesn't even rummage through Chloe's room in that scenario). Which kind of makes me wonder how in just 3 years he went from that to spying on his new family, barging into Chloe's room and physically striking her when she talks back. So...David's a seemingly decent guy as long you don't get in his way? Yeah, that checks out. If you accept his hi-five he seems chill but refuse and he'll grab Chloe's arm and force it. He has little respect for other people, so it's no big mystery where he eventually ends up. If the photojump interim pictures are anything to go by, a lot happens in those three years, like Chloe running away or raring to start a birthday party brawl with David. In LiS David will go off on you for the weed but then later apologize. He is as eager to threaten Max as he is to say he has no issue with her and is just trying to help Chloe. David harasses Kate for the sake of his investigation even though he knew she was in a bad place. His belligerent attitude is exactly what pushes Chloe to rebel and that rebellion just ticks David off, and putting up with the constant battles takes its toll. Familiarity breeds contempt and all that.
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Jan 16, 2018 23:54
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David's character in BtS is kind of there to reaffirm what the player already thinks of him from Life is Strange. If you thought he was a mega-fascist stepdouche in season one and take the Chloest responses, then he'll confirm your perspective by getting nasty af. If you thought he was ultimately a sympathetic character and take the gentler dialogue options, then you'll see his softer more apologetic side. That being said I want my weed David so kindly gently caress off.
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Jan 16, 2018 23:59
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David is one of the bigger examples of the writing being "off". The intent they had with him vs. how he actually comes across is pretty different, I think. Part of it is the VA they hired, I think.
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Jan 17, 2018 00:05
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While nothing Chloe says about David is inherently wrong, he's nowhere near on the level of guys like Mark Jefferson or James Amber (for one thing, he actually shows remorse for his actions and at times admits when he makes a mistake). A lot of his actions can be attributed to PTSD and spending a good number of years in the army. By his own admission, he was a lot like Chloe growing up and the two of them are pretty similar in a few aspects. This doesn't excuse his behavior of course, but there are still much worse people in the town than he is. If the thing about the bonus episode being set in 2007 is true, As I mentioned I'm now wondering why it's called "Farewell" if it's not about Max leaving or William dying. Though what they could do is present it like a flashback being remembered by the present Max (those segments being set either before, during, or even after Life is Strange provided they kept some details intentionally vague), essentially making it a final, well, farewell, to these characters and ending their story where it began. Hope we get some details on LiS 2 before too long, I'm probably more curious what they're going to do for that then I am anything else right now. Larryb fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Jan 17, 2018 |
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Jan 17, 2018 00:58
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Larryb posted:While nothing Chloe says about David is inherently wrong, he's nowhere near on the level of guys like Mark Jefferson or James Amber (for one thing, he actually shows remorse for his actions and at times admits when he makes a mistake). Except this behaviour is so common it's literally an entire stage of an abusive cycle.
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Jan 17, 2018 03:49
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Except this behaviour is so common it's literally an entire stage of an abusive cycle. Oh I'm not defending him by any means, just because you can kind of understand where he's coming from doesn't make it right. He's not a great person, but all I'm saying is he's not the worst Arcadia Bay has to offer either. Joyce isn't a bad person but she does enable David and is way too quick to take his side (including when Max tells her about him hitting Chloe). She also seems more like she's in a hurry to bury the past as quickly as possible as opposed to just moving on with it. In fact, I think there are only two times in the entire series that she actually stands up to David and they're both optional (If you don't buy weed from Frank but comply with David in the parking lot anyway in BtS and if you side with Chloe and tell Joyce about the cameras in LiS). It's funny when I first played Life is Strange I was kind of annoyed by Chloe initially but now I'm more or less completely on her side and understand why she'd react the way she does. Which is kind of why I'm looking forward to the bonus episode, it'd be nice to see more of what she was like before the universe decided to turn her into its personal punching bag. Larryb fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Jan 17, 2018 |
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Jan 17, 2018 04:29
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I never thought David's writing felt "off". I think David is a pretty interesting character because deep down I think he does want what's best for Chloe and Joyce and the town in general when it comes to Jefferson. But unfortunately for him, he's just not capable of handling things in a rational calm way, on top of being a kind of a misogynist and just generally being an angry guy (which I'm sure the PTSD contributes too). It feels like he does genuinely want Chloe to be better than she is, but he goes about trying to fix that problem (which is a problem itself) and tries to fix it by taking control of her and trying to tell her what to do. Which obviously has the opposite effect that he wants. He does eventually save the day and stop Jefferson before he can kill Max, however in order to get to that point he has to invade the privacy of basically everyone, including his own family. The misogyny is a big problem that I think Joyce can eventually get him to be better at, but Chloe is not a character that is willing to give that poo poo the time of day, which she shouldn't. So that is also gonna cause the two of them to butt heads. If David wasn't a jerk about poo poo and didn't try to fix everything, he could've had a real relationship with Chloe. The two of them have a ton of poo poo in common personality wise. They have a mutual understanding of car stuff, but instead of David trying to approach that kind of thing delicately, he instantly starts trying to tell HER what car parts do what. And it's like drat you went about that all the wrong way. That's why I REALLY liked the scene in episode 3 with his war picture. It's the only time he makes any attempt to connect with Chloe, he does it in a CALM rational manner, and he brings up Chloe's dad in a way that isn't antagonistic (like seriously david, don't say "you've had enough of a vacation from a father figure" about her DEAD DAD, jesus). I mean obviously you can choose to deny that poo poo too, but I felt like this is the basically the only time that Chloe would cooperate with David. It's one of the few times you get to see his more vulnerable side, the only the time really is when he saves Max from Jefferson. David isn't quiet as interesting or complex as Frank, who I REALLY want to learn more about, but I think David's writing is just fine. He's a character that I think is kind of sympathetic that ruins that sympathy with the lovely stuff he says/does. He's not just an evil piece of poo poo like Jefferson
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Jan 17, 2018 05:51
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David is easy to hate as an rear end in a top hat because most people probably know or have met at least one person in real life who is similar to him. Jefferson is an evil rear end in a top hat but I don't think I've met any psychotic murder photographers.
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Jan 17, 2018 06:05
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After replaying it a few times I actually think I like Before the Storm a little better than the original in some aspects. It's a much more personal story and while some supernatural elements are still there (the raven, how Rachel may or may not be an airbender) they're downplayed in favor of the human element. It also helps that, as much as I like Max, Chloe is just a far more interesting protagonist. The Chloe/Rachel dynamic is just as good if not better than the Chloe/Max one (plus, like with Burch and Telle, DeVries and Brown seem to work pretty well off each other) and speaking of which, I kind of hope those two keep acting as it seems like they've got some genuine potential. Unlike the first game (hunting for bottles, the stealth section of the nightmare, the memory test at the diner to a lesser extent) I can't really think of a single gameplay segment in BtS that really struck me as particularly annoying. While it's never really required to win, the Backtalk mechanic was pretty fun as well and helps provide some extra characterization that the player might otherwise miss. It would have been nice to have a few more NPCs to interact with though. All and all, Deck Nine did a really good job with this and I wouldn't mind seeing them take another crack at the franchise one day. I hope DontNod takes some inspiration from what worked in this game and uses it to improve upon LiS 2. Larryb fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Jan 17, 2018 |
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Jan 17, 2018 17:08
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Larryb posted:After replaying it a few times I actually think I like Before the Storm a little better than the original in some aspects. It's a much more personal story and while some supernatural elements are still there (the raven, how Rachel may or may not be an airbender) they're downplayed in favor of the human element. It also helps that, as much as I like Max, Chloe is just a far more interesting protagonist. I don't want to just pop in and hate on the game but it's funny because this is pretty much exactly the opposite of how I feel about BtS in every respect. I pretty much hated Rachel from the moment we met her and nothing about her made me like her, and playing as Chloe felt like I was just choosing to be a complete rear end in a top hat all the time with no option to be decent whereas when she was my sidekick I loved her. All of the supernatural elements felt forced and inserted randomly and completely out of place in BtS and completely removed me from the story when they were happening. Backtalk felt pointless, it was an impossible to lose minigame if you were actually playing the game and everything Chloe says in it is ridiculous and should never work. I really loved the first game so I honestly wonder where the disconnect is for me.
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Jan 18, 2018 00:45
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Another thing about David is that, in order to properly hate him, you have to presume to "know better" than Joyce, and I believe the game's intention is that we're supposed to believe that Joyce isn't suffering Stockholm Syndrome or whatever and that she really does love David. Joyce wouldn't love someone who was truly just an rear end in a top hat Cop Dad, ergo there must be more to him.
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Wezlar posted:I don't want to just pop in and hate on the game but it's funny because this is pretty much exactly the opposite of how I feel about BtS in every respect. I pretty much hated Rachel from the moment we met her and nothing about her made me like her, and playing as Chloe felt like I was just choosing to be a complete rear end in a top hat all the time with no option to be decent whereas when she was my sidekick I loved her. All of the supernatural elements felt forced and inserted randomly and completely out of place in BtS and completely removed me from the story when they were happening. Backtalk felt pointless, it was an impossible to lose minigame if you were actually playing the game and everything Chloe says in it is ridiculous and should never work. While I like the dynamic they have Rachel never really clicked with me either, though I did come to sympathize with her more as the game went on. Also, the Backtalk mechanic was useless but, as I mentioned, it did help provide a bit more character exploration then you would get normally (such as the one with James at dinner). Honestly though, I think there are ironically less opportunities to be an rear end in a top hat here then there were in the first game. The game has it's share of problems such as holding your hand too much (as you said, it is literally impossible to lose at anything, if you fail a Backtalk you usually just complete your objective some other way) and the fact that the world felt a lot smaller and more barren than the first game. In Life is Strange a lot of the areas were pretty big and full of NPCs to talk to whereas in Before the Storm most of the locations are fairly small (I think the biggest "stage" is the junkyard and even that was scaled back a bit from the first game) and there's usually only a small handful of people to interact with at most. But despite that, I just found myself having more fun with it for some reason (possibly due to the lack of the more irritating minigames from the original). I still enjoy LiS quite a bit but somehow I just find myself coming back to this one a bit more. Larryb fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Jan 18, 2018 |
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Jan 18, 2018 01:40
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precision posted:Another thing about David is that, in order to properly hate him, you have to presume to "know better" than Joyce, and I believe the game's intention is that we're supposed to believe that Joyce isn't suffering Stockholm Syndrome or whatever and that she really does love David. Joyce wouldn't love someone who was truly just an rear end in a top hat Cop Dad, ergo there must be more to him. She does love David, but she's making the wrong choice. I don't get the impression Chloe would hate anyone new in Joyce's life, she just hates David because he's a real prick. Chloe's completely right that Joyce is choosing David over her.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:She does love David, but she's making the wrong choice. I don't get the impression Chloe would hate anyone new in Joyce's life, she just hates David because he's a real prick. Chloe's completely right that Joyce is choosing David over her. Well from David's perspective Joyce basically saved his life so of course he'd be devoted to protecting his new family and I get the sense that William's death hit Joyce just as hard if not harder than Chloe and she kind of latched onto David out of desperation. As such, she seems almost blind to his faults at times and will often choose him over the needs of her own daughter. Which is kind of weird in retrospect as she of all people (aside from Max) should know how important William was to Chloe and shouldn't expect her to just cast him aside as quickly as she did. Off the subject, I like that I'm still discovering new things in these games nearly every time I play. For example, in BtS Episode 3 you can run into the couple you stole wine from if you explore around the hospital and if you took a photo of Victoria/Kate in LiS Episode 1 Chloe will comment on it before she notices the butterfly photo. Larryb fucked around with this message at 04:44 on Jan 18, 2018 |
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Jan 18, 2018 04:40
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:She does love David, but she's making the wrong choice. I don't get the impression Chloe would hate anyone new in Joyce's life, she just hates David because he's a real prick. Chloe's completely right that Joyce is choosing David over her. I personally disagree. I think the biggest reason Chloe didn't like David from the start is that she has a lot of unresolved issues about her father and projects a lot of it at David. One example is when she looks for her dad's old toolbox and gets pissed that David's tools are in the garage. She makes some kind of comment about his toolbox is bigger so he's clearly an rear end in a top hat and I'm like "huh?".
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Before that line David says something like "finally a PROPER set of tools around here" and drops his big-dick alpha toolbox right next to William's. David and Chloe can never relate to one another because their characters are both really bad at reading the situation.
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Jan 18, 2018 13:46
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Ok, that makes Chloe's comment make a bit more sense.
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https://twitter.com/LifeIsStrange/status/954016553208606720
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Jan 18, 2018 15:53
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Excellent news, which means we should probably be getting a trailer (and with it some concrete information about said episode) before too long. All we know is that Burch and Telle are back, it involves young Max and Chloe, Max is the player character and it presumably takes place about 3 years prior to BtS. Though if that last part is true I'm still curious why the episode is called "Farewell" then since, as you mentioned, that would place it a full year before Chloe's life really started going to poo poo. I'm also wondering if the episode is going to take place entirely in the past or if we'll get a glimpse of the modern versions of the characters as well. Either way, this is the last time we're going to see these characters for a while if not ever so I look forward to seeing what they've got in store. Still hoping we get our first glimpse of LiS 2 at E3. DontNod has some pretty big shoes to fill but I think they can probably pull it off. As has been mentioned before, this is essentially going to be the game that will make or break this series as a potential franchise so it'll be interesting to see if they can catch lightning in a bottle twice in regards to the new cast. Larryb fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Jan 18, 2018 |
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Jan 18, 2018 16:16
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Man, I'm surprised Daughter hasn't gone on any sort of tour given that they did the soundtrack. I know doing the soundtrack to a video game isn't the biggest thing, but I'd love to see them and Lanterns on the Lake share a bill
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Jan 18, 2018 23:16
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Backtalk was sooooooooo corny. Really the only thing I didnt like about the game
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Jan 19, 2018 05:43
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I think one of its bigger problems was that there were always two correct choices, which meant they both had to make sense and sound badass and fit in with the context of the next line. It's a bit of a mess and none of them really work.
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Jan 19, 2018 07:05
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On the one hand, my jaw dropped with dismay upon hearing that we've got to make it through a whole month before the episode is release. But on the other, I'm over the moon that we finally have a concrete date to focus on. Come oooooon, March the sixth! Pour some soothing water into my simmering cauldron of mixed emotions! Let's have us a show of hands, residents of Arcadia Bay! Who's gonna buy the physical disc even though they already have the digital version?
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Jan 19, 2018 10:32
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I bought the stupidly expensive vinyl print of the original Life is Strange soundtrack, there's no way I'd be dumb enough to get the vinyl edition for this game. Heh. Heh.
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Jan 19, 2018 10:37
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I skipped out on the physical edition of the first game but I am tempted to buy this one just because of that.
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Jan 19, 2018 10:38
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Now that things are coming to a close soon I'm kind of torn. On the one hand I'm really going to miss these characters and hope we can return to the Bay again some time (preferably with a different focal character now that Chloe's story is more or less complete). But on the other, I'm looking forward to seeing what new direction DontNod has planned for Season 2. Also, if the idea that Farewell takes place a year before William's death that pretty much gives them free reign to do what they want. Of course, this is still Life is Strange so I doubt it's all going to be just a fun-filled childhood romp (though at the same time they can't go too dark either as this is just a self-contained episode). I'm curious if the physical version of BtS will have any additional features (for example, the disc version of the first game featured a collectors mode, let you restart from any scene and the ability to play the episodes out of order with randomized choices). I'm guessing all the stuff from the Deluxe version will be built in at the very least. Larryb fucked around with this message at 04:47 on Jan 20, 2018 |
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Jan 19, 2018 12:38
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Finally got around to playing BtS, and also replaying the original afterwards. Seeing all the missing posters on the walls while knowing that Rachel was buried in a shallow grave in a junkyard immediately after playing BtS really had me hosed up for a while.
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Jan 19, 2018 14:35
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I think Life is Strange is a series that actually benefits more from being played chronologically. BtS doesn't really spoil much you couldn't already figure out from the first two episodes of the original (Chloe was expelled, developed a close relationship with Rachel Amber, Rachel later disappeared), it gives you a chance to learn experience Rachel as a person rather than this mystical entity everybody talks about and it also helps you understand not only Chloe, but Frank's character as well (he had to kill his best friend and bury him in an unmarked grave, couple that with Rachel disappearing and of course he'd be a bit more on edge come LiS). It doesn't really paint Max in the best light though (and I don't think she ever gives a good explanation as to why she fell out of contact with Chloe for all that time) but she gets better as the first game goes on. Finally, playing it that way not only enhances the effect of both of the first game's endings but it also lets you see certain scenes in a new light. For example, if you chose to lie to Rachel at the end of BtS the scene in the first game where Chloe is ranting about Rachel and Frank suddenly seems more like she's projecting a bit. Larryb fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Jan 19, 2018 |
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I really can’t justify buying the physical special edition of this game. There’s not really anything I care about in it https://twitter.com/lifeisstrange/status/954410300954030080 Well poo poo
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Macaluso posted:I really can’t justify buying the physical special edition of this game. There’s not really anything I care about in it Oh my god.
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Larryb posted:I think Life is Strange is a series that actually benefits more from being played chronologically. BtS doesn't really spoil much you couldn't already figure out from the first two episodes of the original (Chloe was expelled, developed a close relationship with Rachel Amber, Rachel later disappeared), it gives you a chance to learn experience Rachel as a person rather than this mystical entity everybody talks about and it also helps you understand not only Chloe, but Frank's character as well (he had to kill his best friend and bury him in an unmarked grave, couple that with Rachel disappearing and of course he'd be a bit more on edge come LiS). I'd argue that the ideal order is LiS > BtS > replay LiS. A lot of the impact and tragedy from BtS for me came from knowing that no matter what I did, rachel was doomed. Playing LiS again after getting to know rachel just makes it that much more of a gut punch.
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Man the 'dream play' sequence rules - especially Victoria booing at the end.
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tweet my meat posted:I'd argue that the ideal order is LiS > BtS > replay LiS. Life is Strange E1-E3 -> Before the Storm -> Life is Strange E4-E5.
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That sounds like it would be an interesting approach to playing the games. Kinda like the way I re-watch the Star Wars Movies: episode IV-V-III-VI.
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exquisite tea posted:Life is Strange E1-E3 -> Before the Storm -> Life is Strange E4-E5. So hear about Rachel/flash back to see what she was actually like/discover her ultimate fate then? That actually sounds like it could work (as well as help preserve the mystery a little bit). Larryb fucked around with this message at 14:40 on Jan 20, 2018 |
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Jan 20, 2018 14:18
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Or how about this: LiS ep 1, BtS ep 1, Lis ep 2, BtS ep2, LiS ep3, BtS ep3, LiS, ep 4, LiS ep 5? It would lead to some interesting parallels such as Max ending the second episode of her story being confronted by Principal Wells in his office and Chloe beginning the second episode of her own story under similar circumstances. Not only that but seeing Nathan as a bully and then seeing him as the victim of bullying. Actually seeing his dad in the flesh could also have an interesting effect on how you perceive the story while Max and Chloe are investigating the Prescott family's connection with what's going on too. I'm reminded of Stephen King's It, how the story would jump from what's going on with the adults in the present to their childhood battle with Pennywise. I've...got to try this. Eshettar fucked around with this message at 14:40 on Jan 20, 2018 |
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More like the Gaydaughter Pt. II.
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