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Though in the case of someone who interprets the series as mainly Chloe's story then I'd still argue that going full chronological order still works better in that regard. There you basically have the story of a girl who experienced tremendous loss and as such tried to distance herself from the world, met someone who changed her life and helped make her stronger, fell from grace when that bond was severed but wound up rekindling an old one, and through that bond she finally realizes her mistakes, sheds the mask and stands as the hero she truly is. It's more or less a classic Hero's Journey tale. Max, in a sense, basically takes over from where the raven/William left off, guiding Chloe along and leading her to her eventual salvation ("Sometimes there's a greater beauty yet to come"). At the same time, Chloe takes over Rachel's role, passing the strength she gave her onto Max and helping her with her own journey. Alternating between episodes as mentioned could work well too (direct parallels between the two journeys and all that). Depending on how long we stay in the past I would either put Farewell before everything else, in between games, or at the end of LiS. I'm guessing the former but there's probably a reason why it has that title. Larryb fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Jan 20, 2018 |
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exquisite tea posted:More like the Gaydaughter Pt. II. 
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Pretty sure that entire bit was an intentional sendup of the first game's ending. As an aside, I just realized that the encounter with Frank in LiS Episode 4 is basically set up the same way as a Backtalk aside from the lack of a timer and the fact that you have infinite retries thanks to the Rewind, same deal with Kate on the roof (while you can't rewind you can still retry it if you reload the checkpoint before the scene ends) and to a lesser extent, Victoria at the party. In regards to my earlier point, despite her attitude and repeated denial of this the fact remains that Chloe Price is a hero. When push comes to shove she will nearly always put others above herself (stepping in between Drew and Nathan, sabotaging her academic career to help Rachel, either protecting Drew by stepping in between him and Damon or protecting Mikey by staying in the room, rushing Rachel to the hospital after she gets stabbed, risking her life to save a woman she barely knows, going as far as shooting a man she sort of considered a friend an his dog to save Max, and finally offering up her life to save the town). She might not always succeed but you can't say her heart isn't in the right place. The question remains though, does Arcadia Bay deserve someone like Chloe? All it's ever seemed to do is use her and beat her down. For every William, there's a James or a Sean. For every Warren, there's an Eliot. For every Kate, there's a Victoria. For every Chloe or Frank, a Damon and for every Max there's a Jefferson. The town is not only not immune to the ills of society as James put it, those types are the ones that actually seem to thrive there at the expense of the good. Like I said before, maybe the greatest mercy Max could have given the Bay is to let it get wiped off the face of the earth. Besides, it's not made explicit that everyone necessarily died in the storm. As someone else pointed out, Chloe could have spent the drive up to the lighthouse with auto-pilot Max texting everyone she knew to get the hell out of town while they could. It's also possible that the Bae ending takes place after Max and Chloe had already searched the town for survivors and helped out however they could, we just didn't see it. Larryb fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Jan 22, 2018 |
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In other news, here's a song that will apparently be featured in the bonus episode (don't remember if it's in the Before the Storm OST though): https://youtube.com/watch?v=LPXJXxfauis Larryb fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Jan 21, 2018 |
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I discovered this series back in August when the first episode of Life is Strange was free on Steam. It has completely hosed me up and dominated my life ever since. Awesome series, and I'm sad to see Max and Chloe's story (apparently) drawing to a close with the Farewell episode.
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reagan posted:I discovered this series back in August when the first episode of Life is Strange was free on Steam. It has completely hosed me up and dominated my life ever since. Awesome series, and I'm sad to see Max and Chloe's story (apparently) drawing to a close with the Farewell episode. To be fair, we literally know nothing about LiS 2 so far other than it will probably feature a new cast and setting so it could be possible (though unlikely) that we might see a familiar face or two pop up eventually. Deck Nine has also expressed interest in working with the series again but we'll see if anything comes of that. There's also that web series that's currently in development hell but I'm guessing that's just going to be a live action retelling of the first game. Either way, assuming the series continues past the upcoming sequel I wouldn't be surprised if we take another trip back to Arcadia Bay again some day in the future. As has been mentioned earlier, it might be nice to see a BtS style game about Max in Seattle. We could have a chance to interact with her parents more beyond just text messages, see what her friends Kris and Fernando were like, find out why she fell out of contact with Chloe for so long, etc. It would also technically give us a brand new location and cast of characters to explore, just with Max remaining as the focal point (maybe have Chloe pop up in her dreams or something if you really wanted). Only real question is what would the gimmick be since this would be before she discovered her Rewind power? Larryb fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Jan 23, 2018 |
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I think it's time to move on. The prequel was a nice surprise and a good opportunity to talk about Life is Strange, the greatest video game ever made once again, but ultimately Arcadia Bay has run its course and should live on in the feels and imaginations of its fans. Once anything is known about LiS 2 it will totally reframe the discussion around this series and its characters, anyway.
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Ended up buying the limited edition instead of the vinyl one because I'm not enough of a hipster to have a record player. As much as I want to see more of these characters, it would all be post-LiS. BtS accomplished a lot more than I expected a prequel series to, but please no more prequels.
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exquisite tea posted:I think it's time to move on. The prequel was a nice surprise and a good opportunity to talk about Life is Strange, the greatest video game ever made once again, but ultimately Arcadia Bay has run its course and should live on in the feels and imaginations of its fans. Once anything is known about LiS 2 it will totally reframe the discussion around this series and its characters, anyway. Admittedly, I am more interested in hearing about LiS 2 that I am in regards to Farewell at this point and hopefully the new characters will wind up being just as good if not better than the ones we've come to know and love. Like I said before, this is probably going to be the game that makes or breaks Life is Strange as a potential franchise considering we're entering brand new territory now (hell, we don't even know if the two games will be linked at all yet aside from probably a few easter eggs here and there). For all we know, it might not even be set in the same universe as the first game. I will miss these characters and wouldn't really mind seeing another game about them one day but I agree that their (or Max and Chloe's at least) story is done now and it's time to move on. UnknownMercenary posted:Ended up buying the limited edition instead of the vinyl one because I'm not enough of a hipster to have a record player. You could probably make a direct sequel from either ending if you really wanted, the Bae ending could probably have more story potential but I could see doing something with the Bay ending as well, such as showing Max trying to move on from Chloe's death and live with the knowledge of a week that only she remembers (you could even have Chloe pop up in her dreams occasionally ala William from BtS or just have her be with Max the whole time as her sassy ghost sidekick). A third option could be to do a post-LiS game but make it about someone who isn't Max or Chloe. Frank or Victoria would probably be the obvious choices but you could also step out of the "main character" bubble and focus on people like Dana (she seems to have some depth to her based on the conversations in LiS), Stella (we barely know anything about her) or Taylor (there's the stuff with her mom and the fact that she seems to be the least terrible out of Victoria's cohorts). But it'd still probably be for the best if we at least waited a while and see how LiS 2 turns out before going back to the same well again. Larryb fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Jan 21, 2018 |
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According to the wiki page there was apparently going to be dialogue during the scene with Chloe and Rachel at the lighthouse during the ending. Has anything like that been found and posted up somewhere yet?
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I’ve never gotten into Let’s Play videos but after stumbling across jacksepticeye’s playthrough of Doki Doki Literature Club (which was a lot of fun since he was mostly unspoiled for it and really loved it), I decided to check out what else he’s done and he has LPs of both LiS and BtS. This isn’t the sort of thing I imagined youtube gamers being into so I watched his LP of BtS episode 1 and it was surprisingly enjoyable to see someone’s reactions as they play the game, especially compared to reading summarized reactions after people have played through an entire episode. He does rush through a few things rather than stopping for “flavor text” and misses a couple of things but he takes the game seriously and is definitely a fan of the original LiS, so if you think you might enjoy a Let’s Play, it might be worth watching, if for no other reason than the sheer delight he takes in the D&D game. He does make fun of the dialogue a bit but it’s hard not to. Vienna Circlejerk fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Jan 22, 2018 |
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Geek Remix, Strange Rebel Gaming and kathleenmms all have good LPs of Before the Storm in addition to the original Life is Strange. I mostly just skip around to see other people's reactions during the most holy poo poo moments, but those three usually have good play-by-play analysis about where the story is headed. Katy Bentz (Steph) also has done a lot of LP content on her own channel.
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Thanks! I will probably watch all of them at some point. I’m really enjoying the reactions, it seems to add more than I’d get through just replaying.
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exquisite tea posted:Geek Remix, Strange Rebel Gaming and kathleenmms all have good LPs of Before the Storm in addition to the original Life is Strange. I mostly just skip around to see other people's reactions during the most holy poo poo moments, but those three usually have good play-by-play analysis about where the story is headed. Katy Bentz (Steph) also has done a lot of LP content on her own channel. I would also personally suggest Jesse Cox and Dodger's playthrough of Before the Storm (the first part of episode 3 is going up at some point today). I love their playthrough of it so far. The two of them also both played the original. Dodger played through the first game by herself and then later the two of them did a playthrough together, Jesse having never played it before. The two of them make mostly different choices during the first one (except for the final choice). Also Jacksepticeye's reaction to the kiss is very  edit: Also if you get annoyed at people missing stuff and not interacting with everything in lets plays of these games, rest assured that Jesse will exhaust every inch of the play area to find secrets and interactions if he can (he does miss a single photo and graffiti in each game which hurts his soul each time) Macaluso fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Jan 22, 2018 |
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Vienna Circlejerk posted:Thanks! I will probably watch all of them at some point. I’m really enjoying the reactions, it seems to add more than I’d get through just replaying. For slightly less in depth but still entertaining playthroughs I'm also kind of partial to the Jesse Cox and Best Friends Play LPs of both games as well (the BtS one was done on Matt's personal channel). Off the subject but I hope we're going to get a chance to take some more photos in Farewell (complete with the same animation from Max afterwards). Kind of makes me wonder what the collectibles in LiS 2 are going to be (there's no guarantee it'll be about photography after all) as well as what the new power/gimmick is (I kind of doubt they're going to bring back the rewind as that's pretty tied into Max's character) and what if anything the naming convention of the episodes is going to be (all of LiS's episode titles have something to do with time while the ones from BtS are all quotes from The Tempest). I can almost guarantee we're probably getting a Hawt Dawg Man cameo at least as he seems to have become something of a mascot for this series. Larryb fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Jan 23, 2018 |
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Larryb posted:For slightly less in depth but still entertaining playthroughs I'm also kind of partial to the Jesse Cox and Best Friends Play LPs of both games as well (the BtS one was done on Matt's personal channel). Hawt Dawg Man as the protagonist for LiS2 or we riot!
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Yvonmukluk posted:Hawt Dawg Man as the protagonist for LiS2 or we riot! Max does mention that in-universe he has his own video game that she and Chloe played when they were kids. They could probably actually make one as a bonus thing and I bet people would buy it. Or better yet, stick it into Farewell/LiS 2 as an optional mini-game (like something akin to Demontower in Night in the Woods). Larryb fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Jan 22, 2018 |
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So does Chloe still have the dreams and conversations with William by the time of Life Is Strange? It's not inconceivable that she might talk to him off-screen since LiS is played from Max's perspective. But the last occasion on which we see William act as an embodiment of Chloe's subconscious (before she swoops in to try and rescue Sera from Damon) seems to have a note of finality to it...
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I think William's last appearance being outside of Chloe's dreams suggests that she's beginning to internalize his loss, even if she's still pissed about it. "You don't want me to go?" "No, I like the company."
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Eshettar posted:So does Chloe still have the dreams and conversations with William by the time of Life Is Strange? It's not inconceivable that she might talk to him off-screen since LiS is played from Max's perspective. But the last occasion on which we see William act as an embodiment of Chloe's subconscious (before she swoops in to try and rescue Sera from Damon) seems to have a note of finality to it... Since she still talks about him a fair bit my guess is the dreams probably continued into Life is Strange, just to a lesser extent as Rachel seemed to be more at the forefront of her mind at the time. Also, I'm pretty sure she mentions in her journal that she'd been having these dreams for a while prior to Before the Storm. The raven (who I'm assuming is William, I don't think the game ever makes it quite as explicit as the first game did with Rachel and the doe) is shown disappearing at the end of the game, implying that it's duty was finished. Max sort of takes over its role in LiS, guiding and protecting Chloe. It's also interesting to note that it starts appearing less and less as the game goes on, until finally we have William's spirit just showing up at the end while Chloe is still awake. I don't think it's entirely in Chloe's head though as we see the raven several times in the real world and right before the third dream we see it flying overhead and right afterwards Chloe starts to fall into a trance, implying the raven is influencing her somehow. I think they might have initially planned to do a bit more with it though as there are two scenes in the original trailer that appear nowhere in the final game: One showing Chloe smoking at the foot of her bed when the raven lands on her windowsill and another of it taking off from the viewfinder in the park. Larryb fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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I just had an interesting thought, what if instead of being anchored to a specific date the bonus episode is instead kind of an overview of moments from Max and Chloe's childhood, ending on the day she moved to Seattle? The inclusion of this song on its soundtrack seems to indicate that it's probably not going to be all that idyllic at any rate (well, that and the fact that it's a Life is Strange episode after all). There were also a few lines from that behind the scenes video from a while back that almost made it seem like the two of them were reminiscing about things. Also, there was that Tumblr post from a while back that may or may not have been true but here's some actual cut content from BtS Episode 3: https://youtube.com/watch?v=j2Ja-KpJIEk Apparently there was actually going to be an option to help Frank when you find his RV at the mill and there was a bit more to the Sera conversation at the end, which honestly I kind of wish they wound up keeping in the final version as it's basically her side of the story James told at the start of the episode. Off the subject, I watched a few trailers from the original game on a whim and I like the little touches they did here and there. For example, in the Episode 4 trailer they carefully edit around clips so that Chloe does not appear at all (since seeing her up and about would have spoiled things after all, I think you can sort of make out her foot in one shot though). Larryb fucked around with this message at 04:50 on Jan 26, 2018 |
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It's hosed up that since finishing BtS like 2 weeks ago, I've replayed LiS and watched like 2 or 3 playthroughs of both BtS and LiS and I'm still thinking of playing through BtS again. e: Playing it again. Might not even make different choices. WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 11:57 on Jan 26, 2018 |
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:It's hosed up that since finishing BtS like 2 weeks ago, I've replayed LiS and watched like 2 or 3 playthroughs of both BtS and LiS and I'm still thinking of playing through BtS again. Hell, I've replayed both games twice now (once for a normal run and another to try out some of the more douchier choices) and I'm still finding new things I overlooked before. For example in BtS Episode 3 if you go down the opposite hallway in the hospital Chloe will spy the couple she and Rachel stole wine from at the beginning of the game, also there actually is a right answer to figuring out Damon's snitch: it's the bouncer (Thunder) you met at the mill. If you accuse him Damon will say he always knew there was something up with that guy and then if you check the phone at the mill Thunder admits to everything. There are also only 3 instances in the entire game (maybe 4, I've never tried not doing it during the first D&D game if you go to the prison camp) where you actually have to use the Backtalk mechanic when it's presented to you: The bouncer at the beginning, Skip in Episode 2 and Eliot in Episode 3. It's also impossible to do them all in a single playthrough since there's one with Victoria in Episode 2 you can only get if you let Rachel get kicked out of the play and the only other one in Episode 3 depends on whether you got Drew or Mikey sent to the hospital. Also in LiS there are at least two optional conversations with Chloe that most people I've seen seem to miss (once if you talk to her before looking for the CD in Episode 1 and again if you talk to her before getting dressed in Episode 3). Strangely I think there are actually more opportunities for Max to be an rear end in a top hat than there are for Chloe. I think the worst you can do in BtS is keep Drew's money for yourself and reject David's photo whereas in LiS Max's poor decisions can actually get more than a few people killed, among other things. As an aside, I still wish there would have been more NPCs to talk to in BtS like there were in the first game. Larryb fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Jan 26, 2018 |
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This is pretty great https://twitter.com/DeckNineGames/status/957068961656557568
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PunkBoy posted:This is pretty great Chloe & Max for Smash Bros (and Life is Strange on the Switch while you're at it). Continuing the David chat from a little while back, until recently I've never tried not defending David when talking to Joyce at the diner in Episode 5 but if you don't she will actually admit to having many of the same doubts about him as Chloe did and even implies that she might wind up divorcing him (also a correction to something I said before, David hitting Chloe actually does bother Joyce far more than she initially lets on). While Joyce normally displays the same take-no-poo poo attitude that Chloe has (albeit tempered a bit) but when it comes to David she seems so desperate to make things work that she kind of lets him walk all over her a lot of the time and often puts his needs above those of her own daughter. Hell, during the scene in the parking lot in BtS Episode 2 she even starts to say "David feels..." and then quickly corrects it to "We feel". Larryb fucked around with this message at 01:47 on Jan 28, 2018 |
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Larryb posted:Chloe & Max for Smash Bros (and Life is Strange on the Switch while you're at it). If she's convinced Wells was trying to expel Chloe to keep the costs of scholarships down, she gets upset with him and says it's not the time or place and that she knows what's best for Chloe. David of course blows her off and wants Chloe to empty her pockets regardless.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:If she's convinced Wells was trying to expel Chloe to keep the costs of scholarships down, she gets upset with him and says it's not the time or place and that she knows what's best for Chloe. David of course blows her off and wants Chloe to empty her pockets regardless. An interesting thing about that scene, Joyce will only be on Chloe's side during the meeting if you chose to step in between Nathan and Drew in the first episode (I kind of expected it to slightly change the conversation with Samantha before the play as well but nope, that remains more or less the same regardless of what you do). Thinking about it, there's only one real plot hole in BtS that I can think of. As someone mentioned earlier, Chloe is a sophomore during BtS and so are Nathan, Victoria and the rest, yet 3 years later when Max arrives those same people are still there as seniors. Who knows, maybe Blackwell shut down for a year or everyone simultaneously got held back or something. It's a minor issue but one that could have easily been avoided by just making this Chloe's first (and last) year at Blackwell.
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Chloe's a year older than Max too, don't know if they're in the same school year though. Samantha's a freshman, maybe Victoria and the rest are too?
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Chloe's a year older than Max too. Yeah, that's another issue (which I think the developers might have just forgotten about to be honest) and the class photo in Chloe's room proves that Victoria and a few of the other mainstays from the first game were in the same grade as her (unless Blackwell has classes that are open to all grade levels or something which could be possible). I assume that Drew and Steph were seniors and Mikey was a freshman though (which means that unless his family left town or something he might have still been at Blackwell in LiS and we just never saw him). There's also the fact that Max explicitly states in her journal that Blackwell was a finishing school for seniors whereas in BtS it's a normal (though somewhat private) high school but that one at least can easily be explained away (a lot can change in 3 years). Back onto David, I fully understand why Joyce latched onto him initially. Their family was never really that well off to begin with and now she's a single mom still waiting tables at a diner, of course they're gonna need some extra support. She still willingly blinded herself to David's faults (often at Chloe's expense) for the sake of regaining some stability in her life. As we found, David isn't intentionally bad at heart but spending so much of his life in the military kind of made it hard for him to deal with normal people again as well as being more than a little paranoid. In fact, aside from Jefferson, Eliot and possibly Wells and Sean you can probably somewhat justify nearly every major "villain" in this series, this still doesn't make what they did right of course but you can at least understand their position on some level. For example, Nathan had legit mental issues that his father chose to ignore, Victoria was insecure and there were hints that she was under a huge amount of pressure from her family to succeed, and, twisted though it may be, I think James truly believed what he did was all to protect Rachel. Hell, by Frank's admission even Damon was a little better starting out (or at least Frank was able to rein him in a bit more) but went off the deep end as time went on. Larryb fucked around with this message at 05:24 on Jan 28, 2018 |
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You know there's really no way that the relationship between Chloe and Rachel in LiS is the same as the one in BtS. In LiS, Rachel obviously knows Chloe has feelings for her that she doesn't and has never returned. She's straight.
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I don't know, even before BtS existed I always thought Chloe and Rachel were involved romantically just based on the way Chloe talks about her. I think Chloe was a lot more into the idea of it than Rachel and that their relationship had cooled off into friendship by the timeline of Life is Strange, but Chloe never stopped wanting it to be more. While it's more ambiguous in the first game whether Rachel ever reciprocated those feelings, I prefer to believe there was at least something going on because the alternative would be that Chloe was a clueless idiot who let herself get strung along by this one girl for three years. I don't think her jealousy of Frank or motivation to keep looking for Rachel after everyone else had given up makes as much sense if their relationship was entirely one-sided.
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It's more Rachel's letter to her about Jefferson that makes me think dontnod didn't think of them as having had a relationship. I just can't imagine she would have even thought of writing that if they had been together. It'd be so needlessly cruel. e: quote:the alternative would be that Chloe was a clueless idiot who let herself get strung along by this one girl for three years. Also incredibly believable for high school. WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 09:44 on Jan 28, 2018 |
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What I got from Rachel's letter was that inwardly she knew Jefferson was dangerous and wanted to tell someone, but couldn't because she knew it would hurt Chloe to find out. If Rachel was just a popular girl stringing Chloe along for the attention then I don't think she would have gone through the trouble of hiding her relationships in the way that she did, she would have flaunted them. It's also hard to reconcile lines like "[I couldn't be with any of the boys at Blackwell] That's why I'm so glad I found Rachel" or Chloe's entire exchange with Frank in Episode 4 if the two were simply never romantically involved, unless you want to believe that Chloe was just bluffing to Max the whole time. Ultimately I think it weakens Chloe's character to imagine it was just all in her head and there was nothing between her and Rachel at some point. It could have been for a couple weeks, it could have been a friendship with the occassional bicurious hookup, it could have lasted for years, but I think there was definitely something more or else Chloe's motivations in Seasone One are incredibly sad and naive instead of just sad.
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Alright. I can imagine Chloe trying the same 'conversion' stuff she tries with Max and Rachel showing enough interest that they're in a relationship neither are willing to define. Which means lots of miscommunication. I just don't think BtS really gels with LiS, even if I'm really really glad it's explicitly more gay.
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As I've said before, I think Rachel did care about Chloe on some level (saving her twice, their little moment during the play, even her hesitancy to give Chloe the letter regarding Frank) but she probably wasn't quite as invested in the relationship as Chloe was and was more enamored with the idea of escape than anything else (she basically does the same thing to Frank later on after all). I don't think Rachel is malicious by any means, she's just got too much of her parents in her and might have been doomed from the start (she still disappeared in the timeline where William lived and she and Chloe never met after all). Aside from a few discrepancies I think the two games mesh together pretty well. It explains Chloe's attitude in the early episodes of LiS a bit better and recontexulaizes why she was so desperate to hold on to David's gun, even going so far as to shoot Frank if things get bad during their last meeting (she was ultimately powerless to stop Damon, she's not going to let that happen again), not to mention why she takes it so hard if she does wind up killing Frank (he literally saved her life more than once and when their interests aren't in conflict they're actually sort of friends). It also sets things up as a nice little Hero's Journey type story for Chloe as she goes from not really caring about anything prior to meeting Rachel (having lost her dad and her best friend all in the same year) to offering up her life in order to save the very town she's been trying to escape all these years. It also gives some context to why Frank seemed a bit more on edge in the first game as opposed to BtS (he had to kill his best friend and bury him in an unmarked grave), combine that with the whole deal with Rachel and Chloe still giving him poo poo and of course he'd be done loving around at that point. Larryb fucked around with this message at 12:08 on Jan 28, 2018 |
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I imagine that's what the plan was, to have Rachel's commitment be ambiguous. You've got two men in Chloe's life telling her to be cautious about her feelings blinding her to betrayal. But it's not really reflected enough in Rachel's character. All acts of betrayal are in the original LiS, and we don't even get another massive mood swing or any manipulation. I'm honestly really glad, and I'm not trying to criticise BtS for not meeting up 1:1, I just couldn't see Rachel and Chloe acting as they do in the time between the two after what they experience in BtS together.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:I imagine that's what the plan was, to have Rachel's commitment be ambiguous. You've got two men in Chloe's life telling her to be cautious about her feelings blinding her to betrayal. But it's not really reflected enough in Rachel's character. All acts of betrayal are in the original LiS, and we don't even get another massive mood swing or any manipulation. I'm honestly really glad, but it just feels like it's a slightly different timeline than the one we see in LiS. To be fair, aside from being set 3 years before the original the entirety of Before the Storm only takes place over the course of about 3 days and 1 night. That still leaves plenty of time open for things to start going south between them. Larryb fucked around with this message at 12:19 on Jan 28, 2018 |
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