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I don't see how there's any moral quandary in Chloe's choice of telling Rachel about James or not. Of course you'd tell her. Even if you think it's right to respect Sera's wishes and Rachel's wellbeing, the district attorney just tried to murder someone! And all because he thought she might be a bad influence on his daughter. How could you sit on that information and live with yourself? It baffles me how close the percentages are on that choice.
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I chose to tell the truth but in the context of that scene I could see how people would decide to lie. BtS spends three episodes showing the utter wreckage of a lost childhood and then in its final moments offers Chloe the choice to shatter the innocence of someone she loves, against the wishes of pretty much everybody, for no immediately tangible benefit other than the virtue itself. Monstrous as he was, James Amber's goal wasn't to kill Sera, only to intimidate her using Damon, and when that didn't work he tried to get her hooked back on drugs with the whole situation increasingly spiraling out of control. I think Deck Nine also anticipated that framing the choice as a simple Truth / Lie would influence people toward the morally "correct" option, and so cleverly presents it as the much more semantically neutral Protect vs. Tell Everything. But having already played Life is Strange, I was admittedly thinking deterministically about what would become of Rachel, and figured that Truth would be The Thing That Needs to Happen in order to better explain her character as it arrives to us in season one. I wonder what decision people who play BtS before LiS would favor.
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With future events in mind, the 'protect her' ending is more interesting, since she goes off the rails anyway. The fact she starts hiding things from Chloe (ie. her relationship with Bowers) might signal she's either figured things out herself and no longer trusts Chloe, or just instinctively doesn't trust her. I mean, she's pretty good at reading her when they're on the train. That said, Chloe feels betrayed when she finds out about Bowers, which plays more into the 'tell the truth' ending. But I can't get past how savage James is to Sera, he belongs in the bin.
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In essence you know Rachel & Chloe's relationship is ultimately doomed from the start, so I see the end choice as basically asking you to decide how it unravels and what role both of them play in it.
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Mar 9, 2018 10:40
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I just feel like telling the truth is more in keeping with Chloe's character. "You don't like the perfect relationship we had?" "I wish you'd lived long enough for us to gently caress it up." Is a really great set of lines and I don't think Sera would convince Chloe to feel differently.
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The framing of Rachel in that final shot of Truth is too on-the-nose for it not to be The Real Ending(tm).
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As you said earlier, her face at the end is almost the same face she has in that one photo in the dark room. She pretty much despises her father at that point (and for good reason). Even if James was just trying to discredit Sera and didn't plan for things to go as far as they did that's still a lovely thing to do to someone you once claimed to love and realistically would probably be enough to land him in prison or at the very least get booted out of office, which makes me wonder how the situation could have gone down if Chloe hadn't gotten involved (that is, did James actually intend on paying Damon or would he have just left Sera to rot, putting Damon away to cover his tracks). Plus, if he's willing to do something like that what's stopping him from later turning on Rachel when she falls out of his favor (as we know from LiS, there wasn't too much in the way of investigation regarding Rachel's disappearance and her family was basically in denial about the whole thing). If you think about it, Chloe basically failed Rachel at every turn. The damage her father caused was already done (though by telling the truth she could at least hurt him a bit and stop him from damaging Rachel any further), she couldn't do anything about Damon, by the time she knew about Nathan and Jefferson it was already too late and above all, Rachel had way too much of her parents in her so Chloe couldn't even save her from herself. If you add on hiding the truth, that's just going to be a burden that hangs over their entire relationship (and presumably one Chloe takes to the grave) and Chloe's just become yet another person who's lied to Rachel over the course of her life. Plus, I really doubt that whatever William lied to Chloe about is even half as bad as the crap James pulled. Hell, that might be why she goes overboard a bit when Max comes back, she can't afford to lose anything else and ultimately doesn't want Max to go down the same road she and Rachel did. Therefore sacrificing herself at the end is as much if not more about saving Max as it is about saving the town. In a way, the scene at the junkyard with Damon kind of mirrors a similar scene with Frank in the first game. In the former, she freezes up and Rachel gets stabbed and in the latter she panics and shoots, saving Max but killing a man she not only sort of thought of as a friend but we now know actually saved her life on more than one occasion. Both end with Chloe feeling like utter poo poo afterwards (and in the latter even going so far as wanting to turn herself in). Larryb fucked around with this message at 12:24 on Mar 9, 2018 |
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Mar 9, 2018 12:19
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The game absolutely bungles so many things in the 2nd half of episode 3 that people were probably just picking whatever without thinking about it. At that point everything was so insane that you might as well make it more insane
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Paul Zuvella posted:The game absolutely bungles so many things in the 2nd half of episode 3 that people were probably just picking whatever without thinking about it. At that point everything was so insane that you might as well make it more insane It seems like it's becoming something of a tradition for LiS games to have somewhat disappointing finales (as well as getting their second episodes leaked early), but hopefully LiS 2 manages to buck that trend. I didn't think it was that bad all things considered, but Rachel probably could have been a bit more involved with things and if they had to do a post-credits scene they probably could have gone with something subtler (like Rachel's missing person poster fluttering in the breeze or LiS era Chloe standing outside Blackwell). Larryb fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Mar 9, 2018 |
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Mar 9, 2018 13:36
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Honestly Merrick wasn't necessary at all and his scenes should have been cut from the third episode. They'd written themselves into such a corner with him they literally just make Chloe pass out so they wouldn't have to figure out a way to finish that confrontation with Chloe. If they really wanted James' scheme in there, they should have had Chloe and Rachel rock up to the aftermath of Damon injecting Sera and Rachel lose her poo poo at Sera for lying about being clean and then have Chloe influence whether to believe Sera about the scheme or not in the moment. Then have you root around in her Dad's office, but only turn up very ambiguous evidence. You wouldn't even have needed the huge 180 in Sera's goals that we were left with.
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While Damon's presence was there from the first episode (he was one of the two guys arguing outside Frank's RV) there wasn't really much to him. I guess you could consider him to be like the anti-Chloe or something (being basically everything she pretends to be) but unlike Jefferson he doesn't really have that big a role for it to matter, he's just some thug that happens to be friends with Frank and controls the drug trade in Arcadia Bay. And yeah, it is weird that Sera just kind of gives up at the end after trying so hard to reconnect with Rachel all this time (I also question the decision of waiting until the very end of the game to even let her speak). Honestly, I think BtS could have used at least one more episode in between to help smooth things over and feel less rushed over all. Especially since the plot doesn't really get started until towards the end of the first episode (compared to the original where you kind of got a sense of what you're in for in the first 10 minutes). Larryb fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Mar 9, 2018 |
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Mar 9, 2018 16:54
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I got a 1.something GB patch on Steam when Farewell was released, but I didn't get the special edition or anything so I assume I don't have the dlc?
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Mar 9, 2018 17:57
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VagueRant posted:I got a 1.something GB patch on Steam when Farewell was released, but I didn't get the special edition or anything so I assume I don't have the dlc? You have to upgrade to the Deluxe version in order to play it, yes. Though even if you do upgrade you still need to download the episode itself as a separate add-on. It's pretty much the shortest LiS episode ever made but it's still worth getting in my opinion. Larryb fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Mar 9, 2018 |
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Mar 9, 2018 18:10
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Something that just dawned on me, not only does BtS raise the question of how can Victoria, Nathan, etc. still be seniors come Life is Strange when they apparently started around the same time Chloe did (who I remind you is a year older than Max) but Farewell seems to contradict even that. There, it tells us that Chloe started taking classes at Blackwell in 2008 yet in 2010 where the main game takes place she's still only on her second year. It's just a minor inconsistency all things considered though as otherwise the two games actually line up fairly well.
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Mar 10, 2018 23:31
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Freshman 2008-2009 Sophomore 2009-2010 Farewell takes place in September of 2008, Before the Storm in May of 2010. No continuity problem there.
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exquisite tea posted:Freshman 2008-2009 Ah, nevermind then. The original question about her being in the same class as the LiS crew still stands though since by that timetable they should have graduated a year before the first game started. Off the subject, but it's kind of a shame that Chloe and Kate never got to interact with each other in either game. Chloe mentions in LiS Episode 1 that she knows her and the dynamic between the two of them could have been interesting. Putting her in BtS would also have given us a chance to see her more as she was before her life became a living hell and that game needed more NPCs to interact with anyway. Larryb fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Mar 11, 2018 |
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Mar 10, 2018 23:50
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Apparently (not American, so I'm hearing this secondhand) some high schools have an extra senior year as college prep. Doesn't Max mention a 2-year senior programme in season 1?
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Mar 11, 2018 08:00
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In the first game Blackwell Academy was a private one-year finishing school for seniors, some of which do exist in the US, but this was inconsistently presented probably due to Dontnod being unfamiliar with the American high school system. Deck Nine semi-retconned around this by turning Blackwell into a four-year high school with a +1 finishing program, but created another problem by presumably making Victoria, Nathan, and a few other supporting characters all sophomores like Chloe. They would have to be freshmen in order for them to still be around when Max attended Blackwell, or Max would have to be the same age as Chloe with the events of Season One taking place in October of 2012 instead of 2013.
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exquisite tea posted:In the first game Blackwell Academy was a private one-year finishing school for seniors, some of which do exist in the US, but this was inconsistently presented probably due to Dontnod being unfamiliar with the American high school system. Deck Nine semi-retconned around this by turning Blackwell into a four-year high school with a +1 finishing program, but created another problem by presumably making Victoria, Nathan, and a few other supporting characters all sophomores like Chloe. They would have to be freshmen in order for them to still be around when Max attended Blackwell, or Max would have to be the same age as Chloe with the events of Season One taking place in October of 2012 instead of 2013. I only really recall that one class photo being the only thing that explicitly put Chloe & the rest in the same class. Honestly, I feel like the real problem is that Chloe would actually be in the academic year above Max at all. I get the implication from stuff like Farewell (where they're working on class projects together) they were meant to be in the same class. I guess Dontnod just messed up the math. Because otherwise I guess Chloe would have to get held back a year (which doesn't make much sense considering she was apparently an academic superstar until William died) or they do split-grade classes (which I know they do here in the UK, but I've never heard of it in the US).
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The other thing that makes it even weirder is that Warren is 16 in LiS but is in Chloe's class photo in BtS. Which makes him a 13 year old sophomore child genius who gets held down a year?
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Mar 11, 2018 09:20
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Yvonmukluk posted:Wait, but wouldn't that just mean they're second-year seniors to Max's first? I mean, I'm not 100% on how they work out academic years in the states, but wiki says regular seniors are usually 17-18 years old, which aligns with Max's age (having only just turned 18 at the time of the game). Chloe is a full year older than Max having been born on March 11th (today!) 1994, which would make her 19 during the events of Life is Strange. Had she not been kicked out and remained in the second-year senior program, she would have graduated in the spring of 2013, before Max ever gained admittance to Blackwell. For Nathan and Victoria to appear in BtS while still being in the +1 program, they would have had to be freshmen in May 2010 instead of sophomores. The details around what kind of school Blackwell is exactly are presented inconsistently in LiS proper. I think Deck Nine's solution around this was to make Max and Chloe the same grade level, meaning the events of Season One would have had to occur during the Fall of 2012 rather than 2013. So for the timeline to be 100% consistent, you either have to believe that Season One happens in 2012 instead of 2013, or that Victoria/Nathan etc. are freshmen in Before the Storm.
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Well, maybe you could say that Victoria and the others were freshmen at the time of BtS and Blackwell just offers some programs that are available to all grade levels (we never actually see Chloe attend class after all so that photo is really the only sticking point there). Alternatively, Blackwell shut down for a year to do some restructuring (changing from a 4 year high school to a 1 year finishing school). There's most likely problems with both theories but fortunately that's really the only major plot hole between the two games that can't easily be explained away. It's also not that important in the grand scheme of things. Larryb fucked around with this message at 13:33 on Mar 11, 2018 |
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Mar 11, 2018 11:21
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It doesn't really matter because the games are about interpersonal relationships and Chloe learning through adversity.
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Mar 11, 2018 11:25
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I'm glad this is the last entry in the Arcadia Bay saga because each new one makes the Save Arcadia Bay ending that much more tragic. Chloe's a loving hero and it's an outrage that the bathroom graffiti was wiped out.
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This is why I went Bae and never looked back. At that point I was just like, gently caress this rotten town, gently caress this tornado and gently caress everything 
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"You're not a problem Chloe, you're a person" A lot of Chloe's issues stem from the fact that aside from a select group of people nobody seems to have the decency to treat her with any respect. Her mom replaces her dad in the same year he dies with a man that is emotionally and at times physically abusive to Chloe and then not only wonders why her daughter is suddenly so aggressive towards her but will actually defend David's behavior even when internally she has issues with it. Wells also seemed to have it in for her ever since she started Blackwell, blaming her for multiple incidents where one of the more prestigious students was actually the one at fault (though to their credit, her parents are savvy enough to see through the bullshit at times). Hell, even Max and Rachel did some lovely things to her (though not maliciously to be fair). No wonder she has to mask her true emotions a good chunk of the time, the real Chloe would have probably been crushed by the weight of the world a long time ago. While I feel that the Sacrifice Chloe is a good way to close off her character arc, it once again means she's taking the heat for something that wasn't really her fault. It's a pity that only Max will ever know the truth because the entire town should be on their hands and knees thanking Chloe and begging for forgiveness. That girl is a goddamn hero for putting up with everything and still wanting to help people in the end. Like Kate (and Max to an extent), Chloe Price is too good for Arcadia Bay. But every story must grow old and I think this one's run its course. I look forward to see what DontNod has in mind for Season 2 (and according to the official blog we should finally be getting some information on that in the next few months). Despite it being a story that really didn't need to be told and my initial misgivings about the game I'm glad that Before the Storm happened and turned out as well as it did. Happy birthday Chloe, you will be missed. Larryb fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Mar 11, 2018 |
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Larryb posted:But every story must grow old and I think this one's run its course. No all of you shut up I want a Frank story thank you in advance deck9 and dontnod too i guess, but deck9 actually animated the characters so
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Macaluso posted:No all of you shut up I want a Frank story thank you in advance deck9 and dontnod too i guess, but deck9 actually animated the characters so More Arcadia Bay stories could still happen of course (Deck 9 has expressed interest in working with this series again one day) but I think we should give it a rest for a while and give the new cast a chance before we run back to the same well again. But yeah, unless they want to do another prequel set during Max's Seattle days I think Frank would probably be the best choice as far as protagonists go.
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DeathChicken posted:This is why I went Bae and never looked back. At that point I was just like, gently caress this rotten town, gently caress this tornado and gently caress everything After reading Max & Chloe's pirate code in Farewell how can you make any other choice. "We have battled many foes and never fail to save each other" you're drat right!
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exquisite tea posted:After reading Max & Chloe's pirate code in Farewell how can you make any other choice. "We have battled many foes and never fail to save each other" you're drat right! Fair. Best case scenario is they left Arcadia Bay to rot and are now living together in their gold-painted house. Max is a famous photographer and Chloe an accomplished scientist and/or artist. Alternatively, they discovered they were pretty good at the whole crime solving thing and opened their own detective agency. As has been mentioned, there are pros and cons to both of the first game's endings but I still have yet to find a good justification for protecting Rachel from the truth in BtS. There, Damon is dead, most of the evidence is gone thanks to Chloe, Sera now has heroin in her bloodstream and can no longer legally sue for custody, Rachel is none the wiser and Chloe is now left with an unfair burden she presumably would carry inside her for the rest of her life. In other words James wins and gets away with everything while Rachel continues to live a lie. What exactly is the upside here? Larryb fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Mar 13, 2018 |
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You protect her happiness.  ...god I hate that. It's condescending, harmful, and presumptuous. It's condescending because you as Chloe are the same age as Rachel but think that you and a woman who barely knows her know what's best for her and what she can and cannot deal with. It's harmful because it is denying Rachel the opportunity to learn and grow from this situation that has already happened to her, and it's opening her up to more lies from her father. If he's willing to do this, what else is he willing to do? He can't be trusted. It's presumptuous because while it may make her unhappy for a while there's nothing saying she won't be able to work through it and be happy again.
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Exactly, both of Rachel's parents seem to think they have the right to decide what's best for her but you know who's strangely never given that choice? Rachel. She's spent her so much of her life being lied to and manipulated that it's basically become kind of a survival mechanism for her (to the point where she is literally scared that she can no longer tell where the mask ends and she begins). This is not happiness, this is fantasy. By telling her the truth, Chloe essentially sets Rachel free and let's her finally live the way she wants to, even if it winds up backfiring horribly (and, if you make the right choices and/or give her the bracelet Chloe can save Sera as well, finally reuniting her with her daughter after 15 years). If she doesn't, she's now just another person who's lied to Rachel over the course of her life and is essentially helping her father cover his tracks and continue to emotionally abuse her, which is something I don't think Chloe would ever do. Somewhat related, but if you think about it Chloe has actually helped a lot of people over the years. She can help her mom out by giving her the money she swiped from the mill, She's the only person that was ever truly honest with Rachel and ultimately can set her free by telling her the truth about her father, she helps the Norths by either making Drew see how much of a danger he was putting himself and his family in by dealing with someone like Damon or by protecting Mikey and later giving back Drew's money so he can use it to help his dad, She can give Sera back the courage to finally reunite with Rachel in spite of what James did to her, it was her and Max's investigation that lead David to the Dark Room, saving Max's life in the process, and tries to pull Max back from the brink by sacrificing herself after Max was willing to abandon her dreams and the town all for Chloe's sake While it doesn't always work out and at times even blows up in her face later, Chloe is a genuinely good person in spite of a few questionable decisions here and there, she'll usually always try to do the right thing when push comes to shove and is loyal to a fault (in fact, it seems really hard to fully break her trust once it's earned. I think Eliot is the only one that actually managed to cross that line). Like I said, she's too good for this rotten town. Hell, maybe that's Chloe's power. While Max has power over time and Rachel seems to have some kind of unconscious control over nature, Chloe has power over emotion in that she seems to act as a kind of amplifier that draws out the inner strength of others (Rachel and Max were first shown using their respective powers while in Chloe's presence during a traumatic moment after all). Larryb fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Mar 13, 2018 |
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Something that just came to me, what if the reason why the town seems like some kind of malevolent entity that is hellbent on ridding itself of Chloe Price is that it saw her as a genuine threat to it? For good reason too as while she might not have always been the one to deal the final blow her actions have lead to at least three influential figures in the town getting taken down or at least dealt a serious blow: Damon Merrick (if Chloe hadn't contacted Frank about Sera things might not have escalated to the point where he'd have to eventually take Damon out), James Amber (going by the Truth ending, his daughter no longer trusts if not actively despises him, his family falls apart, Rachel is reunited with Sera and then 3 years later he loses Rachel for good. I would consider that a pretty solid defeat even if he's never arrest for his crimes), and Mark Jefferson (in one timeline Chloe and Max's investigation is what leads David to the Dark Room, saving Max and arresting/killing Jefferson, in another Chloe's death leads to his and Nathan's arrest, and in another he's presumably killed by the storm). Hell, depending on how much of a backlash Nathan's arrest in the Sacrifice Chloe ending you could probably tack Sean Prescott and Ray Wells onto that list as well. A large majority of Arcadia Bay is a cesspool where success seems to depend heavily on how corrupt you're willing to be but with a little help from her friends Chloe manages to shake up the entire status quo in just two nonconsecutive years (even if it wasn't her intention). Considering how cruel the LiS universe seems to be of course it wanted her out of the picture before she ruined everything. But in the end not only did it fail to completely break her but when she did eventually chose to die she managed to leave it one last middle finger, saving those she loves while punishing the guilty. This part of the reason why I consider her the true hero of both games. Larryb fucked around with this message at 11:57 on Mar 14, 2018 |
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So has anyone gotten the Limited Edition of this game yet? If so are there any improvements/additions/changes that weren't in the digital version? Just debating if it's worth buying the same game twice. Also, in anticipation of Season 2 finally getting unveiled in the next few months I've been doing a chronological playthrough of the entire Chloe saga (feat. Max Caulfield). Couple things of note: - At the beginning of Farewell you can see the shirts Max and Chloe originally had on when we visited this same day in LiS at the bottom of the clothes pile in Chloe's room. Not sure why the devs put them in different clothes to begin with but I choose to believe Chloe's shirt in this episode was a Night in the Woods reference - Did Max have black hair as a kid or is it just a darker shade of her usual brown? Young Chloe's hair also seemed blonder than it is in BtS proper and the William Lives timeline in LiS? - Damon is actually the first person we see in BtS after Chloe (he's one of the guys arguing outside Frank's RV at the mill and then again with Frank during the ending montage in Episode 1) - Try telling Rachel you hate Country music on the train, it leads to a conversation about David and one of my favorite lines from Rachel in the whole game. Also, try failing the Backtalk during the first D&D game and doing the Victoria Backtalk in Episode 2 (it's also the only scenario that doesn't end with her passing out in front of everyone just before the play). - Rose's name is mentioned in the first episode (check Mr. Keaton's laptop in the drama classroom) - They finally seem to have fixed the glitch in Episode 3 where it shows 0% of people having played tabletop with Mikey - If Rachel suspected her dad was up to something and knew the code to her dad's office, why didn't she try snooping around there first before she went up to the overlook? - Chloe mentions seeing a therapist for a while in LiS Episode 3 (it didn't take too well obviously). I forget how you get this but I believe it stems from a dialogue choice after she jumps out at you outside Blackwell - In retrospect, I kind of wonder how the whole Amber family drama went down in the timeline where Chloe and Rachel never met. Obviously she was planning to go to the overlook anyway but I'm curious whether without Chloe she would have just bought James' story or gone after Sera alone (just because she was still missing doesn't mean that the events leading up to it happened exactly the same after all) - I still love how Max is just done with everyone's poo poo by the time we get to the Vortex Club party in Episode 4. In fact, I kind of like this Max better than the one we see throughout most of the game (who means well but kind of comes off as a bit of a self-righteous rear end in a top hat at times). - For some reason it only just dawned on me that the final code during the nightmare sequence is Chloe's birthday - Samuel appears during the stealth section of the nightmare (it's rare though), William was still cut out completely aside from a text message as far as I can tell - There's a weird glitch in LiS Episode 5 where Max's model suddenly stops moving during the conversation with Warren at the diner (don't know if it's just my copy of the game or what). Larryb fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Mar 18, 2018 |
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Larryb posted:So has anyone gotten the Limited Edition of this game yet? If so are there any improvements/additions/changes that weren't in the digital version? Just debating if it's worth buying the same game twice. I don't have it, but I don't believe there are any differences other than it already coming with the extra DLC. So not worth it if you already own the game, unless you want the artbook?
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I think they put Max and Chloe in different clothes so that we wouldn’t know what day it was in Farewell. A lot of people were expecting a happy romp through memory lane like what it started as and thought to themselves that it couldn’t possibly have been *that* day because the clothing was different. It was a pretty smart way to twist the knife I thought and catch us off guard.
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DoNotFeedTheBear posted:I don't have it, but I don't believe there are any differences other than it already coming with the extra DLC. So not worth it if you already own the game, unless you want the artbook? That was pretty much the main reason I was even considering it yes, but the physical version of the original game did at least have a downloadable Director's Commentary and the ability to play the episodes out of order with randomized choices. I was just curious if BtS had something similar (I think I heard somewhere they were going to include the first episode of LiS in there as a bonus but I'm not sure if that's true or not). rio posted:I think they put Max and Chloe in different clothes so that we wouldn’t know what day it was in Farewell. A lot of people were expecting a happy romp through memory lane like what it started as and thought to themselves that it couldn’t possibly have been *that* day because the clothing was different. It was a pretty smart way to twist the knife I thought and catch us off guard. Fair, though it also seemed to have the side effect of confusing some people into thinking it happened in an alternate timeline or something. On another note, if you go by the whole Tempest analogue BtS seemed to be going for (Chloe being Ariel and Rachel Prospero) that would probably make Max Miranda then. They're both somewhat naive and kept under protection (shown by Rachel as the doe constantly appearing to guide Max to safety/towards the truth). She's also the one who ultimately ends up convincing her father to give up on revenge and save everyone at the end (much like how, if you buy into the Rachel's Revenge theory, allowing Chloe to sacrifice herself also pacifies Rachel's soul. This results in stopping the storm, bringing her killers to justice and sparing the town) while at the same time finally granting Ariel their freedom (it seems to be strongly suggested by the Sacrifice Chloe ending that she lives on as the blue butterfly, much like how her dad became a raven and Rachel a doe). Of course, it's been a while since I've actually read/seen The Tempest so I might be misremembering some things. Off the subject, but I hope in LiS 2 they keep the aspect of the main character being sort of an artistic type as collecting photos/graffiti was kind of fun. Sketches might be a neat idea for example (that is, your character sees something interesting and has the option of doodling it in their journal). Larryb fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Mar 18, 2018 |
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rio posted:I think they put Max and Chloe in different clothes so that we wouldn’t know what day it was in Farewell. A lot of people were expecting a happy romp through memory lane like what it started as and thought to themselves that it couldn’t possibly have been *that* day because the clothing was different. It was a pretty smart way to twist the knife I thought and catch us off guard. Unless you find the photo in the kitchen.
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Mar 18, 2018 04:15
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Larryb posted:- If Rachel suspected her dad was up to something and knew the code to her dad's office, why didn't she try snooping around there first before she went up to the overlook? This is one of the many weird things about episode 3 and would've worked way better if they didn't do the whole getting stabbed thing and instead had Rachel there with you the whole time. It would mean you couldn't realistically do the choice at the end, but it felt really weird that Rachel suddenly knew the code to her dad's office but never snooped around. Not having Rachel there for most of episode 3 was such a big mistake.
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Mar 18, 2018 04:58
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