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Craptacular! posted:Dontnod did an excellent job keeping the characters sexualities at "whatever you want them to be", and I kind of hope this goes the same way. This game does kind of make Chloe's attraction to Rachel kind of explicit (her journal also flat out states that her friend Steph is a lesbian). I'm not sure if they'll touch on Rachel's disappearance considering this takes place 3 years before the original and based on what we've heard the story takes place over about a week like the original did (there's still a chance of a flash forward at the very end though but I wouldn't hold your breath on anything more than that). Not that things aren't probably going to go swiftly downhill for both Chloe and Rachel at this point though (and I'm almost certain the mystery woman at the end is going to play a big role in that). The ending(s) to this game are probably going to be bittersweet at the very best. I'm still interested in seeing where this goes though.
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You don't get to be loved by everyone on the social ladder without being at least a little manipulative and Rachel is literally playing the role of #1 Master Manipulator in the Shakespeare anthology. I'm guessing the relationship between her and Chloe will progress into a "does she like me or is she just using me" kind of scenario.
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exquisite tea posted:You don't get to be loved by everyone on the social ladder without being at least a little manipulative and Rachel is literally playing the role of #1 Master Manipulator in the Shakespeare anthology. I'm guessing the relationship between her and Chloe will progress into a "does she like me or is she just using me" kind of scenario. There's also kind of something weird about her (she knows about things she wasn't around for, she seems to always be in the right place at the right time regarding Chloe, and there's a line when they're on the train saying something along the lines of she has a feeling she might not be around much longer, possibly foreshadowing her death). Not to mention the scene at the end where she lets out this weird, animalistic scream that kind of sounds like the cry of a bird, and then the wind seems to scream along with her (and it can't all be symbolic because Chloe looks genuinely freaked out about something during that scene). Whether it will all get explained is up in the air but even if she doesn't have some kind of super power it still feels like there's something mystical about Rachel. She does seem to genuinely like Chloe at this point but to what end remains to be seen (especially since she eventually hooks up with or is already involved with Frank behind Chloe's back at this point). She doesn't come off as malicious, but there's still something a bit off about her. The raven (or perhaps more than one) that's following Chloe also seems like a pretty big deal. It always appears just before something major happens and even speaks to her directly during her dreams in the guise of William. Though while the doe helped lead Max through the storm in her dream and towards finding Rachel in reality I'm not quite sure at this point what exactly the raven wants with Chloe (while in some cultures ravens are symbols of wisdom and prophecy, there are other stories that paint them as tricksters and omens of death and misery, usually having to do with lost souls. Honestly, either one works pretty well in the context of the series). Larryb fucked around with this message at 13:12 on Sep 18, 2017 |
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exquisite tea posted:Nathan was tweaking hard and obviously out of his mind but he was still a willing accomplice to kidnap and murder while using his father's wealth to enable Jefferson's pleasure palace, so gently caress that guy and a pox upon anyone who didn't let Warren beat the poo poo out of him. Counterpoint: Warren is the kind of guy who joins antifa to get laid.
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There's that funny choice you get up on the lookout point where Chloe actually can go "Well you either genuinely like me or you're completely full of poo poo." Rachel is noncommittal on answering
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I'd just like to thank this thread for making me curious enough about what the gently caress a 'nitw' was that I went off and played it . That's good stuff.
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Sep 16, 2017 11:01
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Good job, now go play Hellblade.
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exquisite tea posted:Nathan was tweaking hard and obviously out of his mind but he was still a willing accomplice to kidnap and murder while using his father's wealth to enable Jefferson's pleasure palace, so gently caress that guy and a pox upon anyone who didn't let Warren beat the poo poo out of him. I agree, the mentally ill are definitely accountable for their actions and should be violently assaulted.
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SirSamVimes posted:I agree, the mentally ill are definitely accountable for their actions and should be violently assaulted. To be fair, like a lot of characters in this series there are shades of gray to Nathan. On the one hand, his actions caused a lot of problems and a few people died because of him, but on the other he's clearly mentally unstable and probably should have been institutionalized if not for his dad caring more about his legacy than his own son. But instead he winds up in jail or six feet under depending on your ending choice. Honesty the only real exceptions I can think of are Jefferson (who was kind of an rear end in a top hat even before we learned he was a psychopath), Kate (who seemed like a genuinely good person who was driven to the breaking point thanks to the actions/responses of others), and to an extent, Chloe (who the universe seems to have a personal grudge against for some reason). I say to an extent because while some of her problems are self-inflicted and she clearly can't handle loss all that well all the other crap that's been piled onto Chloe's life kind of tips the scales a bit. So far as we know we've got: her dad dying in an accident (or in another timeline, she gets into an accident herself and becomes paralyzed for the rest of her life), the girl who was practically her sister moving away shortly afterwards and eventually falling out of contact, David, weird spirit ravens, Rachel (and by association: Rachel's family issues, disappearance, involvement with Frank and finally the discovery of her death), being kind of a magnet for death herself (hell, she can't even survive in a D&D game), and finally being partially responsible for the creation of a tornado threatening to wipe out her home town. There's a point where circumstances stop being coincidental and start being cruel (to the point where it's almost comical just how lovely her life is), somebody up there hates this poor girl. Larryb fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Sep 17, 2017 |
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Sep 17, 2017 14:53
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End of Episode one chat I thought the wind coming out of Rachel was just done for dramatic effect when I played it and thought nothing of it. Coming here and seeing people think Rachel has supernatural wind powers like Max had time powers made me start thinking. Max and Chloe end up at the lighthouse at the end of Ep. 1, where Max finds graffiti. Presumably, Chloe made the first one.   DeckNine could go the supernatural route with this story, I guess. There is a very vague reference from the first game that can be interpreted to support it. But the end of BTS ep. 1 was probably just the animators being creative, guys.
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If there ends up being a more supernatural explanation for Rachel then they'd have to find some plausible way of concealing it since it would be weird that Max shows up in Life is Strange and Chloe doesn't immediately say "oh hm superpowers, just like my last BFF."
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Sep 17, 2017 20:52
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Heads up, make sure you check your journal and phone in every area possible. Every area.
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exquisite tea posted:If there ends up being a more supernatural explanation for Rachel then they'd have to find some plausible way of concealing it since it would be weird that Max shows up in Life is Strange and Chloe doesn't immediately say "oh hm superpowers, just like my last BFF." I'm not convinced there's not something unnatural about Chloe herself.
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Sep 17, 2017 21:22
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Turning all your straight friends gay is considered to be a superpower by some.
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Sep 17, 2017 21:28
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Cythereal posted:I'm not convinced there's not something unnatural about Chloe herself. She seems to be able to see Spirit Animals like Max can (she's the only one so far that's noticed the raven much like Max seemed to be the only one who saw the doe. Though in both cases the animal seems to be guiding them personally so they could only be seeing them because they wanted to be seen) and her mere existence (coupled in part with Max loving around with time) was apparently enough to bring about a huge storm so you might actually be on to something there As I said, the universe really seems to hate Chloe for some reason, almost as if she herself was an unnatural element it was actively trying to remove. Larryb fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Sep 17, 2017 |
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Sep 17, 2017 21:52
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I totally would've written off the wind thing as an artistic touch, but the fact they do it twice, and repeat both the wind effects and the unnatural echo, combined with Chloe's expression - definitely reads like a supernatural thing to me. Could just be bad direction to pad out the song, but hey.
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Sep 17, 2017 22:45
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Maybe Arcadia Bay is like Silent Hill and all the people who come there from out of town experience some twisted manifestation of their own inner psyche. Max is indecisive, unsure of herself, and a photographer, so she gets the ability to control time. Rachel is effervescent, beloved by everyone, and noncommital, so wind powers activate.
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Sep 17, 2017 22:53
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Chloe is a hypnotist of ladies.
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Why did everyone else's Max want to have sex with Chloe? They were just best friends, hello?
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Sep 18, 2017 00:37
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I played Chloe 100% straight and only interested in Rachel Amber as a platonic friend.
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Torgo2727 posted:Why did everyone else's Max want to have sex with Chloe? They were just best friends, hello? They deliberately leave it up to the player, and same with BTS, about how hard you want push the gay button. Chloe talking about Pris is about as close as I can recall to any overt canon reference to any core character not being straight, that doesn't call back to player choice.
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Torgo2727 posted:Why did everyone else's Max want to have sex with Chloe? They were just best friends, hello? For me what Life is Strange totally got 100% right was representing the intense, hormonally charged, often ambiguous friendships from adolescence. I thought it was an enormous credit to the writing team that they didn't have to come out and say Chloe was queer, or that she and Max had feelings for each other or anything at all, because that's not how relationships work. FWIW I never saw Max and Chloe as a lasting romantic relationship, just a really close one intensified by extraordinary circumstances. I mean, who here hasn't made out with their best friend at least once or twice? If you're asking why people on the internet need an excuse to write enormous amounts of speculative fiction on the sex lives of fictional characters then well, Pricefield is just the tip of that iceberg.
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It's true, the Chloe/Max gayness really reminded me of all the awkward same-sex hookups by newly minted bisexuals and gays in my own highschool drama club days (myself included)
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Torgo2727 posted:
When Chloe and Rachel were playing Two Truths and a Lie, my mind flew straight to the popular theory that Rachel had the same time rewinding powers which Max later gains and was using them to win the game. Then she put her last quarter in the broken coin-operated binoculars and started cursing. If she had the powers, surely she could just rewind and use the functioning binoculars instead?
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If I remember right, didn't the developers outright state that there wouldn't be any Magic Teens this time around (there still will be a few supernatural elements obviously)? Though on the other hand they've also hinted that there's something going on with Rachel (and like has been said, something clearly happened that night in the woods given her unnatural scream and Chloe's reactions) so we'll just have to see where this goes. I assume there's still no word on a release date for Episode 2 yet? Larryb fucked around with this message at 13:10 on Sep 18, 2017 |
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Larryb posted:If I remember right, didn't the developers outright state that there wouldn't be any Magic Teens this time around (there still will be a few supernatural elements obviously)? I'm starting to think there's something wrong with the town rather than specific teens, perhaps. precision posted:It's true, the Chloe/Max gayness really reminded me of all the awkward same-sex hookups by newly minted bisexuals and gays in my own highschool drama club days (myself included) Agreed. Life is Strange has felt pretty realistic for portraying a bunch of teenagers hitting that awkward phase of trying to figure out their sexuality.
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Cythereal posted:I'm starting to think there's something wrong with the town rather than specific teens, perhaps. Wasn't Arcadia Bay built on some sacred native land or something? That would explain all the spirit animals running around (such as the raven, doe and butterfly. The last one might be different from the rest considering it shows up on film while the doe does not. Max is still the only one who seems to notice the butterfly though) and how the town seems to be an entity onto itself. Hell, maybe it basically is a slightly less dangerous version of Silent Hill after all. Larryb fucked around with this message at 14:12 on Sep 18, 2017 |
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It always stuck me as weird that Max and Chloe would develop romantic feelings for each other having been friends dating back to childhood. It seems like by that point they'd almost be like siblings.
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General Dog posted:It always stuck me as weird that Max and Chloe would develop romantic feelings for each other having been friends dating back to childhood. It seems like by that point they'd almost be like siblings. Do you think "childhood sweethearts" don't exist in the real world?  It's pretty common among people who live in one smallish town their whole lives.
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Sep 18, 2017 14:43
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I don't get why Max would fall in fall with Chloe, who spend half of the series bitching at her for not being 24/7 focused on her.
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precision posted:Do you think "childhood sweethearts" don't exist in the real world? It's also not uncommon for BFFs to suddenly get a lot more confused as they hit puberty if one or both is queer.
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Cythereal posted:It's also not uncommon for BFFs to suddenly get a lot more confused as they hit puberty if one or both is queer. Maybe. Max never really struck me as gay, but maybe that had more to do with how I was playing her. The few overtly romantic choices with her and Chloe seemed to come kind of out of the blue.
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I read Chloe as queer pretty much immediately, and Max is... well, kind of confused. I think their relationship is intensified by the rather traumatic circumstances they find themselves in, especially when you consider that by the end of the game Max has probably watched her best friend die about 6-7 times.
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General Dog posted:Maybe. Max never really struck me as gay, but maybe that had more to do with how I was playing her. The few overtly romantic choices with her and Chloe seemed to come kind of out of the blue. She could be bisexual though Chloe seems to be the only girl she seemed to have any romantic interest in (and even then there's only two scenes that paint them as anything more than very close friends and they're both optional). Chloe might be bi as well though she seems to lean more towards girls (it's more likely that she's gay though). Larryb fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Sep 18, 2017 |
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Larryb posted:She could be bisexual though Chloe seems to be the only girl she seemed to have any romantic interest in (and even then there's only two scenes that paint them as anything more than very close friends and they're both optional). Given their ages, I personally consider both their orientations TBD.
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Max is totally a Lua (lesbian until apocalypse).
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Cythereal posted:Given their ages, I personally consider both their orientations TBD. The majority of people I know didn't really settle on a sexuality until their early 20s, tbqh
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precision posted:The majority of people I know didn't really settle on a sexuality until their early 20s, tbqh Jesus what are you, a theater major?
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