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Pursesnatcher
Oct 23, 2016



Grimey Drawer

Currently on issue #4, this thread is amazing. I did come across some G.I. Joe comics as a kid, but the only thing I got out of them was that my neighbors could be closeted Cobra officers – but it was never made clear what Cobra actually was.

Keep it coming, I need some closure. I need to figure out if Leif-Benny could actually have been a Cobra commando when he wasn't tending the garden.

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MrTuffPaws
Feb 7, 2005



Pursesnatcher posted:

Currently on issue #4, this thread is amazing. I did come across some G.I. Joe comics as a kid, but the only thing I got out of them was that my neighbors could be closeted Cobra officers – but it was never made clear what Cobra actually was.

Keep it coming, I need some closure. I need to figure out if Leif-Benny could actually have been a Cobra commando when he wasn't tending the garden.

Aren't they just a global terrorist organization?

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye



MrTuffPaws posted:

Aren't they just a global terrorist organization?

The Nazi Party mixed with Amway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8qdgbKUEgU

Nipponophile
Apr 8, 2009


And now we've reached the release of series 2 of the G.I. Joe toy line. More vehicles! More characters! More action! Let's read Issue #11!



This issue begins in the middle of the action again.



Wild Bill lands behind the battle line and offloads a snowmobile and fresh reinforcements while taking on some wounded Joes. Hawk rotates the new guys into the firing line so Snake Eyes and Rock 'n Roll can grab a bite.



Hawk continues to fill in Snow Job (Arctic operations), Gung Ho (Marine), and Doc (medic): The remaining Cobra tanks fled when they saw the chopper approaching, leaving infantry behind to tie up the Joes. Hawk anticipates the infantry will pull out and rejoin their armor soon, while the Joes will be at a disadvantage following. Their snowmobile can't transport the whole squad.





Elsewhere...



Hours later, the Joes have trailed Cobra to a pumping station along the pipeline.





Further south, Cobra's mysterious field commander has arrived and taken charge of the main body of troops. The Joes assault the pumping station, but receive some bad news about Cobra's plans.



Suddenly, the Joes are floored by an explosion. A Cobra RPG team has doubled back and taken out the hijacked HISS tank. The Joes try, but fail to stop them from destroying the other HISS that was left at the station. They barely manage to get their snowmobile under cover.

Hawk radios back to field HQ to explain about the plague-contaminated oil, and Wild Bill is sent to head down to the next pumping station to shut down the flow.



Snake Eyes, Snow Job, and Doc take the snowmobile to chase down the Cobra agent with the antidote.



Breaker at field HQ radios Gen. Flagg to request further reinforcements and a quarantine around the pipeline. Cobra Commander, listening on an intercept, is overjoyed to hear this as it means enemy forces in the area will be scattered across 50 miles of pipeline.

The snowmobile team follows the Cobra tank tracks right through a nuclear power plant.







Reinforcement choppers arrive at pumping station #1, but the Cobras there have been holding out a man-portable SAM. The choppers don't stand a chance unless someone on the ground does something recklessly stupidheroic. Fortunately, they have a Marine with them.



50 miles further down the pipeline, Wild Bill lands at pumping station #2 and is greeted by a team of oil company technicians. They've received radio instructions to close off the pipeline and have already started on the process.



Back at station #1, the Joe reinforcements have landed, and the remaining Cobra troopers quickly surrender.



Awkward...



Airborne notices that the tracks go into the utility shed, but don't come out. Those aren't oilmen Wild Bill is talking to! Snow Job radios Zap in the chopper, who puts two and two together to deduce that the stolen plutonium must be in the "probe" getting sent down the pipeline. With security forces scattered to maintain quarantine, Cobra can pick it up down the line unopposed. Zap rushes inside the station to warn Wild Bill.





I'm pretty sure the Geneva Convention doesn't say any such thing, but anyway... Doc tackles the shadowy figure and briefly grapples with him in the darkness. When Doc is thrown clear, the other Joes open fire, but the mysteeerious field commander has already made for the exit.



Snake Eyes enters the shed where the last HISS tank is parked, but it's been sabotaged and immediately blows up.



Antidote in hand, the Joe fly ahead to pumping station #3, where a Cobra unit is retrieving the plutonium from their probe. Doc calmly explains to the Cobras that, after taking control of the pumping stations, the contaminated oil flow was reinstated, so all the troops here have been exposed to the plague. He further proposes a simple trade: the antidote for the plutonium.



Next issue, things get rolling again.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me





The Geneva Convention does prohibit combat medics from using arms except in direct defense of themselves or their patients.

Or, more accurately, once they do so they forfeit their medic privileges and just become regular combatants.

:eng101:

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company


Ghostlight posted:

The Geneva Convention does prohibit combat medics from using arms except in direct defense of themselves or their patients.

Or, more accurately, once they do so they forfeit their medic privileges and just become regular combatants.

:eng101:

Doc takes the Geneva Convention very seriously - he is an avowed pacifist.

The fact that a pacifist character is appearing in the military shoot-'em-up book, and is consistently treated with respect and allowed to be awesome, is a testament to how excellent Larry Hama is.

MrTuffPaws
Feb 7, 2005



I still think to this day that Cobra had lovely tanks.

Alacron
Feb 15, 2007

-->Have tearful reunion with your son
-->Eh

Fun Shoe

So I'm guessing the MOBAT was destroyed so they could make room for new toys hardware?

robziel
May 31, 2011

>10 THRUST "ROBO_COX"
>20 GOTO 10

Alacron posted:

So I'm guessing the MOBAT was destroyed so they could make room for new toys hardware?

Wow I'd never looked at it like that, that's a very interesting idea especially because we don't see one again for a few issues and they do "showcase" another vehicle during part of that time.

Pastry of the Year
Apr 12, 2013



Alacron posted:

So I'm guessing the MOBAT was destroyed so they could make room for new toys hardware?

I don't know if these observations about the way the toy line and the comic both did and didn't interact are the sort of spoilers we've been asked not to post, so I'll spoiler-tag this (though I'm not giving away any plot details):

Here's yet another interesting thing about the comic: Larry Hama went on using his favorite characters and equipment long after they were no longer sold in stores. For example, Stalker was discontinued in 1985, but Hama went on using him, in his original 1982 design, for ages.

It sort of puts the lie to the "toy commercial" criticism when many, many of the core cast weren't even available to buy, I think.


robziel posted:

Wow I'd never looked at it like that, that's a very interesting idea especially because we don't see one again for a few issues and they do "showcase" another vehicle during part of that time.

Here's what Hama's technique of not giving a drat what was or was not currently available at retail made neat about the comic: you really had no idea who or what was going to stick around and become/remain important to the story! And that's not even counting all the characters he created that had no toy analogues at all.

A Strange Aeon
Mar 26, 2010

You are now a slimy little toad


The Great Twist

It's interesting how they handle the introduction of new characters / toys. An early issue (can't remember if we're past that point yet) has a guy wearing a full wet suit where it makes no sense, presumably because that's what the toy looked like.

darthbob88
Oct 13, 2011

YOSPOS


A Strange Aeon posted:

It's interesting how they handle the introduction of new characters / toys. An early issue (can't remember if we're past that point yet) has a guy wearing a full wet suit where it makes no sense, presumably because that's what the toy looked like.
That's issue 16 apparently, so I'll avoid spoilers other than noting that it's a frogman in full wetsuit with flippers making an urban assault, because management insisted on including him in costume.

Choco1980
Feb 22, 2013

I fell in love with a Video Nasty


Hahaha, Snow Job is such a dick.

Psion
Dec 13, 2002

:colbert::colbert:




I hope legions of kids snickered at the name though. It just sounds dirty, no matter how much they try to pretend it's because he's an arctic specialist/bullshit artist

Pursesnatcher
Oct 23, 2016



Grimey Drawer

Nebakenezzer posted:

The Nazi Party mixed with Amway

At least the Amway bit explains a thing or two. How Cobra managed to get funding and recruits always confused the poo poo out of me; what with all the informants, the manpower and the experimental hardware they routinely just throw into the fire. And as for the latest issue itt, didn't Cobra just up and give a matching pair of nukes to our dearly beloved prepper friends just a little while ago?

Kurui Reiten
Apr 24, 2010


Shouldn't wrist rockets be a horrible idea? Granted, this is Destro, dude knows his poo poo.

Also I legitimately want to read a series JUST about Cobra.

Nipponophile
Apr 8, 2009


Oh, you guys are still here...

LET'S READ ISSUE #12!!!



We start in the middle of the action again, as the Joe team is recklessly slinging lead around downtown San Fran in pursuit of some Cobra thugs.





The chase proceeds to smash up some cars and leads toward a small car stalled at an intersection.



Wait, did he say Pinto?



Yep, he said Pinto...

The comic predates the movie by over a year.

The Joes set off after the fleeing courier on foot, but they're held up by some passing bikers. By the time Scarlett rescues Breaker from the gang, the scar-faced courier has shot Clutch in the leg and made good his escape.



Nope, nothing suspicious or familiar about that name at all...

Back at the Pentagon, Gen. Flagg requests that Hawk assemble a team to investigate the address in Rio Lindo.



Snake Eyes and Gung-Ho remain on the edge of town for backup, while Stalker and Breaker walk right up to the front door.



Through his binoculars, Snake Eyes spots a face he's not likely to soon forget.



Dr. Venom invites the Joes inside as Snake Eyes rousts Gung-Ho from his siesta and rushes into town. On their way in, Gung-Ho bumps into the scar-faced courier, but Snake Eyes pulls him away. Rescuing their teammates takes priority.



Stalker and Breaker put up a fight with the weapons in their bags, but Cobra maneuvers to out-gun them.



With their reinforcements arriving just in time, the Joes force the surrender of Dr. Venom and the surviving Cobras. Everything seems well in hand until...



I AM COMPLETELY SURPRISED AND DID NOT AT ALL EXPECT THAT ESKIMO TO BE SHOWING UP HERE!

The Joes, now prisoners, are tied up and lead to a boat upriver to Cobra's island bunker. Dr. Venom says that he'd like to hold Snake Eyes back for questioning, as apparently Snake Eyes isn't the only one who can't forget what happened in Springfield.



The troopers set fire to the warehouse as the boat sets off.



Seems like Dr. Venom is as sick of ninja bullshit as I am.

Snake Eyes, still bound, manages to ignore the flames around him (and on him) long enough to kick open a door and dive into the river.

On the boat, Stalker notes the presence of hungry rats all over, which gives Gung-Ho an idea.



A mile downriver, a farmer taking his goods to market is scared out of his wits by a "river demon" suddenly appearing from the depths. It is of course Snake Eyes, who commandeers the canoe in pursuit of his comrades.



Dr. Venom, Kwinn, the Baroness, and the courier head inside the bunker to finalize their transaction, and three Cobra commandos are left outside to guard the prisoners. Snake Eyes takes care of one with an attack from below the surface as Gung-Ho snaps his weakened bonds and handles the other two.



He just looks so happy to be smashing people together.

Breaker jumps up onto the pier, but Snake Eyes shoves him back into the boat and cuts the mooring line. The message is clear: getting away with the stolen computer chips takes priority. Snake Eyes stays behind himself to mop up on the island.



Wait, virus? Nobody said anything about a virus!

Kwinn notices something is amiss and kicks open the door in time to spot the boat escaping. The Baroness and courier board the seaplane and set out to sink the Joes.



Man, someone should do a read-through of Sgt. Rock sometime. I'd be down for that.

The Joes attack is about as effective as expected. The Baroness demolishes their boat with a guided missile, and they barely manage to leap to safety in time. Kwinn and Dr. Venom have stayed behind to sort out Snake Eyes, but Dr. Venom has his own priorities.



As the three hash out their differences, the Baroness turns back towards the island bunker. She mentions to her courier that with the virus in hand, poor Dr. Venom is now "expendable"...



So, with Snake Eyes dead, there doesn't seem to be much reason to continue on further. I guess we'll cut the series short here. Hope you enjoyed reading!

Taerkar
Dec 7, 2002

kind of into it, really



Goddamn ninja bullshit. Also just how many attempted backstabs is that so far in this story? 2?

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013





The Pinto joke is loving hilarious.

This is *exactly* how you source a supply chain:




Also, Granny Goodness Marvel/DC crossover?

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

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Proteus Jones posted:

Also, Granny Goodness Marvel/DC crossover?



I want to say that these two characters (or others like them) showed up in a few other Marvel books. An older couple in their lovely, beater car, get stalled right in the middle of a villain's rampage through the city.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013





CzarChasm posted:

I want to say that these two characters (or others like them) showed up in a few other Marvel books. An older couple in their lovely, beater car, get stalled right in the middle of a villain's rampage through the city.

That went from being a good schtick to a great schtick now that I know that. I love poo poo like that. This is almost as good as the midget assassin Elf With a Gun in Defenders.

Proteus Jones fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Nov 28, 2017

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company


Proteus Jones posted:

That went from being a good schtick to a great schtick now that I know that. I love poo poo like that. This is almost as good as the midget assassin in Defenders.

I believe you mean the Elf With A Gun. :colbert:

(Steve Gerber was so great)

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013





DivineCoffeeBinge posted:

I believe you mean the Elf With A Gun. :colbert:

(Steve Gerber was so great)

YES! (edited to fix)

Pursesnatcher
Oct 23, 2016



Grimey Drawer

Nipponophile posted:

So, with Snake Eyes dead, there doesn't seem to be much reason to continue on further. I guess we'll cut the series short here. Hope you enjoyed reading!

Forget Snake Eyes, Gung Ho is clearly the most interesting dude, I mean LOOK AT HIM.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013





Pursesnatcher posted:

Forget Snake Eyes, Gung Ho is clearly the most interesting dude, I mean LOOK AT HIM.



He's propelling himself like a jet ski. He's fueled by baked beans.

Psion
Dec 13, 2002

:colbert::colbert:




Dr. Venom’s ninja bullshit face is another excellent entry into the list of amazing faces this comic has produced.

Choco1980
Feb 22, 2013

I fell in love with a Video Nasty


Psion posted:

Dr. Venom’s ninja bullshit face is another excellent entry into the list of amazing faces this comic has produced.

I'm more of a fan of the looks of shock on the joes immediately after the explosion.

PhotoKirk
Jul 2, 2007

insert witty text here


Does anyone else think Dr. Venom looks like Andy Griffin?

FredMSloniker
Jan 2, 2008

Why, yes, I do like Kirby games.


Nipponophile posted:



He just looks so happy to be smashing people together.

You might even say he's... gung-ho about it? :v:

Nipponophile
Apr 8, 2009


No. No one would say that.

Alacron
Feb 15, 2007

-->Have tearful reunion with your son
-->Eh

Fun Shoe

FredMSloniker posted:

You might even say he's... gung-ho about it? :v:

Go to your room :mad:

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company


FredMSloniker posted:

You might even say he's... gung-ho about it? :v:

You might... if you were terrible. :colbert:

Nipponophile
Apr 8, 2009


So I just turned 40 today, and it struck me that this G.I. Joe comic retrospective may be the most significant thing I've done with my life.

...

I'm... um, I think I need to lie down for a bit...

You guys can read this.




We pick up right where the last issue left off with Gung-Ho, Breaker, and Stalker in the water and Dr. Venom, Kwinn, and Snake Eyes dead.



The Baroness makes a second pass to check for survivors, but the Joes are playing possum.



Hiding doesn't matter, because the plane's infrared sensors pick them out easily. When Baroness reports this to Cobra Commander via radio, he orders her to break off and return to Springfield immediately. The contents of the briefcase take priority.

The Joes in the river marvel that they weren't picked off, but they're not safe home yet.





Stalker wakes up hours later with Breaker in the remains of an abandoned Cobra research station. Gung-Ho, meanwhile, has gone downriver in search of a radio to contact headquarters.



At Cobra HQ, as the Baroness and Scar-face are congratulated on their successful mission, the Baroness confides to Cobra Commander that Scar-face seemed a little too eager to leave, as if he wanted the Joes to escape. Cobra Commander assures her that Scar-face was probably just concerned with his mission, but she continues to suspect that he may have other loyalties. (Meaningful glance at the mysterious guy in the corner with rockets on his wrists...)



Breaker isn't sure why they're putting so much effort into a defensive position, but a pretty good reason shows up on a trail above them.



Richter's mercenaries, now out of jobs due to the political upheaval in Sierra Gordo, plan to scour the abandoned base for anything they can sell on the black market.

A disguised figure attempts to place a radio call to the U.S., but the government flunky in charge orders his guards to take the filthy, pig-smelling peasant outside and shoot him. With an evil grin, he revises his orders, "On second thought, shoot him right here."



Minutes later at the Pit, Hawk has received Gung-Ho's call and put a rescue plan into action. Scarlett, Grunt, and Rock 'n Roll will be airdropped in to take and hold the nearest airfield for extraction. Doc and Torpedo are to be dropped near the river to examine the remains of the bunker and then to meet up with and extract the remaining Joes.

Gung-Ho hijacks a cab and heads back into the jungle.



Just then Cobra receives a radio report that Richter's mercs are closing in on the station. If they kill or drive off the Joes, the mission will be compromised. The mysterious fellow with the metal gloves seems to have things well in hand though.

Just then, Breaker discovers the thing he was meant to discover.



The Joe rescue team begins their HALO drop as Gung-Ho's cab comes to a halt. The road dead-ends in a construction site. Gung-Ho tells the cabbie to wait for him and keep the meter running while taking his keys to ensure that he will.

Richter is hesitant to hit the Cobra camp after seeing the trench and other prepared defenses. As he contemplates waiting until nightfall, his men spot parachutes in the air. Rather than risk being flanked, he decides to attack now, but...



The parachutes Richter spotted were Doc and Torpedo. Torpedo slips into the river to make an interesting discovery.



Before he can investigate further, he is signaled to the surface by Doc, who has been keeping an eye on the mercenaries. It seems like the new group on the scene is up to no good.



Man, those fish are noisy.

The airfield team begins their assault on the control tower.



They make it back to Gung-Ho's cab and head for the airfield, as bad things happen to bad people:



As the transport circles around, there's an impromptu Joe reunion aboard the cab.



Your tax dollars at work.

With armored cars in hot pursuit, there's no time for a leisurely landing. That means it's take to take a cue from the action movie playbook.



Once safely aboard, Stalker hands over the info he found to Hawk.



Seriously though, those fish are really loud.

Doctor Grape Ape
Aug 26, 2005

Dammit Doc, I just bought this for you 3 months ago. Try and keep it around for a bit longer this time.


URK!

I love how it more or less has instructions for entrenching and defending a position, in what is ostensibly a children's comic book.

That's some good gator action too.

Alacron
Feb 15, 2007

-->Have tearful reunion with your son
-->Eh

Fun Shoe

That fight between Stalker and the Crocodile was amazing :allears:

robziel
May 31, 2011

>10 THRUST "ROBO_COX"
>20 GOTO 10

Nipponophile posted:

So I just turned 40 today

Happy Birthday December birthday buddy!


quote:


As a kid I always wondered if there was a Laurel and Hardy joke there that I was missing, or if it was just "don't upset the crazy gringo with a gun."
This comic left me very frustrated that I had to wait a month to find out what happened next, who was that tapping on the door, what was on the micro-dot, what's Cobra Commander up to? Not that any of the previous issues were bad but this arc was were my interest in this series took off. I remember asking my parents what a micro-dot was and them not really knowing but using microfiche as an example of what it probably was.

Servoret
Nov 8, 2009



robziel posted:

Not that any of the previous issues were bad but this arc was were my interest in this series took off. I remember asking my parents what a micro-dot was and them not really knowing but using microfiche as an example of what it probably was.

Yeah, issues #12 to #16 are golden and some of the best of the series IMO. The Tom Scioli article on Comics Alliance where he analyzes a bunch of G.I. Joe issues including #16 in that early run is a really good read. I wish he'd write more articles about old comics. The one he did on TCJ ripping into Stan Lee for ruining the Silver Surfer as a character when he took him away from Jack Kirby is also really good.

Pastry of the Year
Apr 12, 2013



Servoret posted:

Stan Lee (...) ruining the Silver Surfer as a character when he took him away from Jack Kirby

I cannot get on board with this.

On topic, though, yeah, I think we're entering the golden period of GI Joe, one that doesn't end for a while. A lot of groundwork has been laid, and we're getting into the groove of the narrative where pretty much everything ends up being significant and interesting.

Servoret
Nov 8, 2009



Pastry of the Year posted:

I cannot get on board with this.

I wrote that not figuring that a lot of people would. I actually still really like the one issue of the sixties Silver Surfer comic that I bought at a rummage sale as a kid. The article is really good though, a Let's Read of Silver Surfer #1 that really dumps on it for being uninspired compared to the classic Kirby FF Galactus stuff.

quote:

On topic, though, yeah, I think we're entering the golden period of GI Joe, one that doesn't end for a while. A lot of groundwork has been laid, and we're getting into the groove of the narrative where pretty much everything ends up being significant and interesting.

I did a massive re-read of Hama G.I. Joe a couple years ago and was surprised at how solid it stays throughout. The first six years or so are great, it eventually gets a little ropey during the Tom DeFalco era when Marvel was publishing more books than they had competent artists for and the toy line started getting really bad, comes back strong around #100 when M.D. Bright is doing the artwork for a while, and then eventually fizzles out a little when Hama goes back to having to deal with sub-par artists as collaborators and too many lame toys to incorporate into his storyline. But it's still always got something good going on, thanks to his decision to develop the Cobra characters and the Snake-Eyes/Storm Shadow duo. There was certainly a reason that I loved this comic as a kid (even buying it more frequently off the stands than stuff like Claremont's X-Men) that had nothing to do with loving the toys and TV show (I still feel lucky to have come down with chicken pox the week the first mini-series came on, because it aired in a timeslot before my school let out for the day).

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Pursesnatcher
Oct 23, 2016



Grimey Drawer

Servoret posted:

I did a massive re-read of Hama G.I. Joe a couple years ago and was surprised at how solid it stays throughout. The first six years or so are great, it eventually gets a little ropey during the Tom DeFalco era when Marvel was publishing more books than they had competent artists for and the toy line started getting really bad, comes back strong around #100 when M.D. Bright is doing the artwork for a while, and then eventually fizzles out a little when Hama goes back to having to deal with sub-par artists as collaborators and too many lame toys to incorporate into his storyline.

The first six years? Comes back strong around #100? How many issues did they actually make?

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