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PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016

:cheers:

Stymie posted:

the supreme court is getting ready to declare the app store an illegal monopoly so that's one step closer to full androidization

wait what

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FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually
lol!

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

the future has already arrived. it's just not evenly distributed yet.

the us has suddenly discovered they have antitrust legislation

PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016

:cheers:


oh my god if they start busting up apple while leaving facebook / amazon / google alone :cripes:

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

the future has already arrived. it's just not evenly distributed yet.
oh no, they want to nationalize google (search) now

Doc Block
Apr 15, 2003
Fun Shoe
edit: this is so stupid. some dumbfuck is suing Apple because of the 30% cut that comes out of the developerís end. ďOh but that causes a price increase to consumers!!!Ē

umm what? are they arguing that apps would only cost $0.69 instead of $0.99 if Apple wasnít taking 30%? :wtc:

extra :wtc: that the SC seems to be falling for it.

Doc Block fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Nov 27, 2018

Doc Block
Apr 15, 2003
Fun Shoe

modern US antitrust enforcement is solely about price increases, real or imaginary.

if anything, most iOS app developers would argue that thereís too much downward pressure on app prices and that Apple isnít doing enough to make paid apps more prominent.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

the future has already arrived. it's just not evenly distributed yet.
well gosh, i bet that'll improve just the very minute they crack open the walled garden and allow sideloading and 3rd party app stores

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer
They're not ruling on whether apple is a monopoly. They're ruling on whether the plaintiffs have standing to sue at all. if the plaintiffs win they go back to the lowest court for the actual lawsuit.

the scotus judges are skeptical of the precedent apple is using to claim they can't even be sued. did any of you actually read the article?

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

the future has already arrived. it's just not evenly distributed yet.
clearly we did not

Sniep
Mar 28, 2004

All I needed was that fatty blunt...



King of Breakfast
reading is for chumps

posting on the ither hand, rules

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

Sniep posted:

reading is for chumps

posting on the ither hand, rules

itís this.

EIDE Van Hagar
Dec 8, 2000

Beep Boop

Sniep posted:

reading is for chumps

posting on the ither hand, rules

champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER

Sniep posted:

reading is for chumps

posting on the ither hand, rules

not for the poor folk on the receiving end of posts

Lambert
Apr 15, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Fallen Rib
Oh no, Apple might not get a 30% cut from everything in the future. The sky is falling!

Raluek
Nov 3, 2006

WUT.

Boiled Water posted:

not for the poor folk on the receiving end of posts

only if they're chumps

a neurotic ai
Mar 22, 2012

graph posted:

i still cant get it to work right to export poo poo so it shows up on cdjs correctly


Something wrong with the formatting? Assume you've scanned your library and got all the metadata there. You have to preformat the usb first but then it's literally just drag and drop.

Kenny Logins
Jan 11, 2011

EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A WHITE WHALE INTO THE PEQUOD. IT'S HELL'S HEART AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I STRIKE AT THEE ALONGSIDE WITH THE MAIN CHARACTER, ISHMAEL.

Sniep posted:

reading is for chumps

posting on the ither hand, rules

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


Doc Block posted:

edit: this is so stupid. some dumbfuck is suing Apple because of the 30% cut that comes out of the developerís end. ďOh but that causes a price increase to consumers!!!Ē

umm what? are they arguing that apps would only cost $0.69 instead of $0.99 if Apple wasnít taking 30%? :wtc:

extra :wtc: that the SC seems to be falling for it.

um, you do know that many things purchased through the App Store and in app purchases have literally been marked up to account for Apple's take, right? Spotify (when they gave the option) was $9.99 through the website but $12.99 if you used an in-app-purchase. banning non-Apple-processed purchases to force a 30% price hike was also key to Job's proven anti-competitive price fixing scheme to break Amazon's e-book dominance.

harm to consumers is laughably easy to prove here which is why Apple is trying to prevent the case from getting to the point where that is the deciding question.

the articles are a bunch of clickbait bullshit though. Apple has a very easy out here - allow all app makers to use their own payment system in-app if they so desire (and google would have to follow). but then they would lose out on that sweet sweet gambling and hoarding addiction money.

syscall girl
Nov 7, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Fun Shoe
so does using a vpn break Siri? because saying hey Siri laundry in 40 gets me a Chinese laundry or tells me she can't set it out a day in advance now

Doc Block
Apr 15, 2003
Fun Shoe

Shifty Pony posted:

um, you do know that many things purchased through the App Store and in app purchases have literally been marked up to account for Apple's take, right? Spotify (when they gave the option) was $9.99 through the website but $12.99 if you used an in-app-purchase. banning non-Apple-processed purchases to force a 30% price hike was also key to Job's proven anti-competitive price fixing scheme to break Amazon's e-book dominance.

harm to consumers is laughably easy to prove here which is why Apple is trying to prevent the case from getting to the point where that is the deciding question.

the articles are a bunch of clickbait bullshit though. Apple has a very easy out here - allow all app makers to use their own payment system in-app if they so desire (and google would have to follow). but then they would lose out on that sweet sweet gambling and hoarding addiction money.

developers set the prices for their apps and in-app purchases, not Apple.

can you imagine the shitstorm if every app was allowed to ask for your CC#?

and Spotify have proven themselves again and again to be a bunch of crybabies, so v:shobon:v

Kobayashi
Aug 13, 2004

by Nyc_Tattoo

Lambert posted:

Oh no, Apple might not get a 30% cut from everything in the future. The sky is falling!

That 30% and extrapolated growth is priced into the share price. If it goes away, Timíll just slap it on the price of a new iPhone. Forget the XS, next year they wonít even offer a sub-$1k model.

jeffery
Jan 1, 2013
uncontrolled price inflation in other words

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

it's important to remember that "harm to consumers" in the us is almost exclusively designed by "prices go up." this isn't about the 30% [which really should be like 5 or 10% at this point given how much money they're making] but not being able to sell apps from other sources

this is dumb though because the rights of exclusivity for console manufacturers, the dvd consortium, etc. have been well established over and over

jeffery
Jan 1, 2013
quality is suppose to be fixed yet reported-quality is nosediving

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually

qirex posted:

it's important to remember that "harm to consumers" in the us is almost exclusively designed by "prices go up." this isn't about the 30% [which really should be like 5 or 10% at this point given how much money they're making] but not being able to sell apps from other sources

this is dumb though because the rights of exclusivity for console manufacturers, the dvd consortium, etc. have been well established over and over
apple also only has 20% of the smartphone market, hardly a monopoly. if devs dont want to play in apples walled garden well theres an uncurated android space thats four times larger than apples for them to seek their fortune in

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

Vehicular Manslaughter!

Pillbug

jeffery posted:

quality is suppose to be fixed yet reported-quality is nosediving

but enough about your posts

Perplx
Jun 26, 2004


Best viewed on Orgasma Plasma
Lipstick Apathy

FMguru posted:

apple also only has 20% of the smartphone market, hardly a monopoly. if devs dont want to play in apples walled garden well theres an uncurated android space thats four times larger than apples for them to seek their fortune in

apple has like a 95% share of rich white people, which are the only people the courts benefit

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006

qirex posted:

it's important to remember that "harm to consumers" in the us is almost exclusively designed by "prices go up." this isn't about the 30% [which really should be like 5 or 10% at this point given how much money they're making] but not being able to sell apps from other sources

this is dumb though because the rights of exclusivity for console manufacturers, the dvd consortium, etc. have been well established over and over

the problem is the doj improperly sued Microsoft for even less of an issue and so now people have a poor understanding of how things should work.

jeffery
Jan 1, 2013
the only people the courts listen to

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

qirex posted:

it's important to remember that "harm to consumers" in the us is almost exclusively designed by "prices go up." this isn't about the 30% [which really should be like 5 or 10% at this point given how much money they're making] but not being able to sell apps from other sources

this is dumb though because the rights of exclusivity for console manufacturers, the dvd consortium, etc. have been well established over and over

yeah, it is one of those that isn't all that clear-cut. however, there is the the fact that apple sells some services which compete with those they charge a 30% cut from (in cloud storage, music, etc.), which makes things a little bit iffy

jeffery
Jan 1, 2013
why would it allow/self-authorize competing software running at the same time on the same computer? Lmao

Good Sphere
Jun 16, 2018

i hope apple wins the case, because i think the ability to only install apps via the apple store and approved by them works quite nicely for quality, security and otherwise. sure, there is a lot of crap apps, but it's nothing compared to android or what you'd have floating around in windows

jeffery
Jan 1, 2013
basically it sounds like naughtiliss self-authorized a bunch of decisions over the course of 4 years that have crippled it to the point of non-functionality, along with being unable to remove a virus (a virus that heavily contributed to 4 years worth of its erroneous decisionmaking)

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD
Jul 7, 2012


quote:

Ivanka Trump ó President Donald Trumpís adviser and daughter ó and Apple Inc. CEO Tim Cook will visit Wilder schools Tuesday to examine the districtís use of technology, a White House spokesman confirmed Monday evening.

ďAdviser to the President Ivanka Trump is traveling to Idaho as part of her ongoing workforce development and STEM initiatives and will visit the Wilder School District with Apple CEO Tim Cook,Ē said Judd Deere, director of media affairs at the White House.

The stop is the latest in a series of tours by Trump as part of her work with the National Council for the American Worker. Last month, for example, she visited the NASCAR Technical Institute in Mooresville, North Carolina, the Raleigh News and Observer reported.
shameful

Janitor Prime
Jan 22, 2004

PC LOAD LETTER

What da fuck does that mean

Fun Shoe

Good Sphere posted:

i hope apple wins the case, because i think the ability to only install apps via the apple store and approved by them works quite nicely for quality, security and otherwise. sure, there is a lot of crap apps, but it's nothing compared to android or what you'd have floating around in windows

Yeah I don't want them to gently caress this up

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that the visit will result in a statement that charter schools teaching only stem filled with apple technology are magically the answer to america's education woes

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


FMguru posted:

apple also only has 20% of the smartphone market, hardly a monopoly. if devs dont want to play in apples walled garden well theres an uncurated android space thats four times larger than apples for them to seek their fortune in

nobody gives a poo poo about number of users, they care about revenue. also this is about App Store access and sales, not phone sales.

iOS has a 66% share of app sales revenue which is more than enough to count as market power. even worse if you look at tablet devices specifically.


Good Sphere posted:

i hope apple wins the case, because i think the ability to only install apps via the apple store and approved by them works quite nicely for quality, security and otherwise. sure, there is a lot of crap apps, but it's nothing compared to android or what you'd have floating around in windows

I don't think they'd ever be required to allow third party installs or installs of non-vetted apps, just barred from requiring payment using Apple's system and blanket prohibiting third party payment processors. it would be pretty easy to see how that sort of solution would work - either use Apple's payment system for app sales and IAPs or pay an actual-cost hosting fee for your app (price of which is supervised by a court approved/appointed monitor). IAPs are easy as stuff like Lyft already let you put in your own credit card. direct app purchases present more of a problem but there could be a list of payment processors for app-makers to chose from that meet neutrally applied security and privacy requirements.

the real fun would be if Apple were required to pay back the difference between the 30% it collects and the single-digit-percentages charged by payment processors in the open market. that could be $50b or more.


also making it so the IAP gambling and micro-transaction poo poo doesn't line Apple and Google's pockets is probably the only possible way we could get a meaningful change in practices.

PleasureKevin
Jan 2, 2011

Tim Cook is a staunch republican and Trump supporter, evidence #635: https://www.macrumors.com/2018/11/27/tim-cook-ivanka-trump-idaho-school-visit/

quote:

Apple CEO Tim Cook and Ivanka Trump, adviser to President Donald Trump, are visiting Idaho's Wilder School District together today to examine the district's use of technology in education, according to The Idaho Statesman.

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big shtick energy
May 27, 2004


jeffery posted:

basically it sounds like naughtiliss self-authorized a bunch of decisions over the course of 4 years that have crippled it to the point of non-functionality, along with being unable to remove a virus (a virus that heavily contributed to 4 years worth of its erroneous decisionmaking)

what?

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