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Stymie posted:the supreme court is getting ready to declare the app store an illegal monopoly so that's one step closer to full androidization wait what
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El_Elegante posted:Anroid?
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Nov 27, 2018 04:54
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Rex-Goliath posted:wait what the us has suddenly discovered they have antitrust legislation
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Nov 27, 2018 04:55
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oh my god if they start busting up apple while leaving facebook / amazon / google alone 
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Nov 27, 2018 05:07
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oh no, they want to nationalize google (search) now
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Nov 27, 2018 05:10
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edit: this is so stupid. some dumbfuck is suing Apple because of the 30% cut that comes out of the developer’s end. “Oh but that causes a price increase to consumers!!!” umm what? are they arguing that apps would only cost $0.69 instead of $0.99 if Apple wasn’t taking 30%?  extra that the SC seems to be falling for it.
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Nov 27, 2018 05:11
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modern US antitrust enforcement is solely about price increases, real or imaginary. if anything, most iOS app developers would argue that there’s too much downward pressure on app prices and that Apple isn’t doing enough to make paid apps more prominent.
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Nov 27, 2018 05:38
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well gosh, i bet that'll improve just the very minute they crack open the walled garden and allow sideloading and 3rd party app stores
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Nov 27, 2018 05:39
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They're not ruling on whether apple is a monopoly. They're ruling on whether the plaintiffs have standing to sue at all. if the plaintiffs win they go back to the lowest court for the actual lawsuit. the scotus judges are skeptical of the precedent apple is using to claim they can't even be sued. did any of you actually read the article?
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Nov 27, 2018 05:43
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clearly we did not
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Nov 27, 2018 05:45
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reading is for chumps posting on the ither hand, rules
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Nov 27, 2018 07:06
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Sniep posted:reading is for chumps it’s this.
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Nov 27, 2018 07:42
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Sniep posted:reading is for chumps
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Nov 27, 2018 08:02
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Sniep posted:reading is for chumps not for the poor folk on the receiving end of posts
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Nov 27, 2018 09:56
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Oh no, Apple might not get a 30% cut from everything in the future. The sky is falling!
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Nov 27, 2018 10:05
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Boiled Water posted:not for the poor folk on the receiving end of posts only if they're chumps
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Nov 27, 2018 10:30
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graph posted:i still cant get it to work right to export poo poo so it shows up on cdjs correctly Something wrong with the formatting? Assume you've scanned your library and got all the metadata there. You have to preformat the usb first but then it's literally just drag and drop.
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Nov 27, 2018 13:43
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Sniep posted:reading is for chumps
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Nov 27, 2018 13:55
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Doc Block posted:edit: this is so stupid. some dumbfuck is suing Apple because of the 30% cut that comes out of the developer’s end. “Oh but that causes a price increase to consumers!!!” um, you do know that many things purchased through the App Store and in app purchases have literally been marked up to account for Apple's take, right? Spotify (when they gave the option) was $9.99 through the website but $12.99 if you used an in-app-purchase. banning non-Apple-processed purchases to force a 30% price hike was also key to Job's proven anti-competitive price fixing scheme to break Amazon's e-book dominance. harm to consumers is laughably easy to prove here which is why Apple is trying to prevent the case from getting to the point where that is the deciding question. the articles are a bunch of clickbait bullshit though. Apple has a very easy out here - allow all app makers to use their own payment system in-app if they so desire (and google would have to follow). but then they would lose out on that sweet sweet gambling and hoarding addiction money.
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Nov 27, 2018 14:01
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so does using a vpn break Siri? because saying hey Siri laundry in 40 gets me a Chinese laundry or tells me she can't set it out a day in advance now
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Nov 27, 2018 16:05
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Shifty Pony posted:um, you do know that many things purchased through the App Store and in app purchases have literally been marked up to account for Apple's take, right? Spotify (when they gave the option) was $9.99 through the website but $12.99 if you used an in-app-purchase. banning non-Apple-processed purchases to force a 30% price hike was also key to Job's proven anti-competitive price fixing scheme to break Amazon's e-book dominance. developers set the prices for their apps and in-app purchases, not Apple. can you imagine the shitstorm if every app was allowed to ask for your CC#? and Spotify have proven themselves again and again to be a bunch of crybabies, so v  v
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Nov 27, 2018 17:28
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Lambert posted:Oh no, Apple might not get a 30% cut from everything in the future. The sky is falling! That 30% and extrapolated growth is priced into the share price. If it goes away, Tim’ll just slap it on the price of a new iPhone. Forget the XS, next year they won’t even offer a sub-$1k model.
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Nov 27, 2018 17:33
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uncontrolled price inflation in other words
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Nov 27, 2018 17:34
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it's important to remember that "harm to consumers" in the us is almost exclusively designed by "prices go up." this isn't about the 30% [which really should be like 5 or 10% at this point given how much money they're making] but not being able to sell apps from other sources this is dumb though because the rights of exclusivity for console manufacturers, the dvd consortium, etc. have been well established over and over
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Nov 27, 2018 17:34
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quality is suppose to be fixed yet reported-quality is nosediving
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Nov 27, 2018 17:36
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qirex posted:it's important to remember that "harm to consumers" in the us is almost exclusively designed by "prices go up." this isn't about the 30% [which really should be like 5 or 10% at this point given how much money they're making] but not being able to sell apps from other sources
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Nov 27, 2018 17:38
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jeffery posted:quality is suppose to be fixed yet reported-quality is nosediving but enough about your posts
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Nov 27, 2018 17:39
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FMguru posted:apple also only has 20% of the smartphone market, hardly a monopoly. if devs dont want to play in apples walled garden well theres an uncurated android space thats four times larger than apples for them to seek their fortune in apple has like a 95% share of rich white people, which are the only people the courts benefit
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Nov 27, 2018 17:43
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qirex posted:it's important to remember that "harm to consumers" in the us is almost exclusively designed by "prices go up." this isn't about the 30% [which really should be like 5 or 10% at this point given how much money they're making] but not being able to sell apps from other sources the problem is the doj improperly sued Microsoft for even less of an issue and so now people have a poor understanding of how things should work.
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Nov 27, 2018 17:44
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the only people the courts listen to
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Nov 27, 2018 17:45
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qirex posted:it's important to remember that "harm to consumers" in the us is almost exclusively designed by "prices go up." this isn't about the 30% [which really should be like 5 or 10% at this point given how much money they're making] but not being able to sell apps from other sources yeah, it is one of those that isn't all that clear-cut. however, there is the the fact that apple sells some services which compete with those they charge a 30% cut from (in cloud storage, music, etc.), which makes things a little bit iffy
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Nov 27, 2018 17:50
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why would it allow/self-authorize competing software running at the same time on the same computer? Lmao
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Nov 27, 2018 17:52
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i hope apple wins the case, because i think the ability to only install apps via the apple store and approved by them works quite nicely for quality, security and otherwise. sure, there is a lot of crap apps, but it's nothing compared to android or what you'd have floating around in windows
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Nov 27, 2018 17:58
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basically it sounds like naughtiliss self-authorized a bunch of decisions over the course of 4 years that have crippled it to the point of non-functionality, along with being unable to remove a virus (a virus that heavily contributed to 4 years worth of its erroneous decisionmaking)
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quote:Ivanka Trump — President Donald Trump’s adviser and daughter — and Apple Inc. CEO Tim Cook will visit Wilder schools Tuesday to examine the district’s use of technology, a White House spokesman confirmed Monday evening.
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Nov 27, 2018 18:30
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Good Sphere posted:i hope apple wins the case, because i think the ability to only install apps via the apple store and approved by them works quite nicely for quality, security and otherwise. sure, there is a lot of crap apps, but it's nothing compared to android or what you'd have floating around in windows Yeah I don't want them to gently caress this up
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Nov 27, 2018 18:32
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that the visit will result in a statement that charter schools teaching only stem filled with apple technology are magically the answer to america's education woes
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Nov 27, 2018 18:36
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FMguru posted:apple also only has 20% of the smartphone market, hardly a monopoly. if devs dont want to play in apples walled garden well theres an uncurated android space thats four times larger than apples for them to seek their fortune in nobody gives a poo poo about number of users, they care about revenue. also this is about App Store access and sales, not phone sales. iOS has a 66% share of app sales revenue which is more than enough to count as market power. even worse if you look at tablet devices specifically. Good Sphere posted:i hope apple wins the case, because i think the ability to only install apps via the apple store and approved by them works quite nicely for quality, security and otherwise. sure, there is a lot of crap apps, but it's nothing compared to android or what you'd have floating around in windows I don't think they'd ever be required to allow third party installs or installs of non-vetted apps, just barred from requiring payment using Apple's system and blanket prohibiting third party payment processors. it would be pretty easy to see how that sort of solution would work - either use Apple's payment system for app sales and IAPs or pay an actual-cost hosting fee for your app (price of which is supervised by a court approved/appointed monitor). IAPs are easy as stuff like Lyft already let you put in your own credit card. direct app purchases present more of a problem but there could be a list of payment processors for app-makers to chose from that meet neutrally applied security and privacy requirements. the real fun would be if Apple were required to pay back the difference between the 30% it collects and the single-digit-percentages charged by payment processors in the open market. that could be $50b or more. also making it so the IAP gambling and micro-transaction poo poo doesn't line Apple and Google's pockets is probably the only possible way we could get a meaningful change in practices.
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Tim Cook is a staunch republican and Trump supporter, evidence #635: https://www.macrumors.com/2018/11/27/tim-cook-ivanka-trump-idaho-school-visit/quote:Apple CEO Tim Cook and Ivanka Trump, adviser to President Donald Trump, are visiting Idaho's Wilder School District together today to examine the district's use of technology in education, according to The Idaho Statesman.
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jeffery posted:basically it sounds like naughtiliss self-authorized a bunch of decisions over the course of 4 years that have crippled it to the point of non-functionality, along with being unable to remove a virus (a virus that heavily contributed to 4 years worth of its erroneous decisionmaking) what?
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