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Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang




GrandpaPants posted:

There was another name thrown around that I've forgotten. I think she was a producer or someone generally behind the camera?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7Ri6dhsnoU

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LividLiquid
Apr 13, 2002


The owners of the comedy cellar sent a very loud, very clear message to every woman, be they performer or audience member, that they are willing to look the other way on sexual assault so long as you can get a laugh and make us a buck.

Hat Thoughts
Jul 27, 2012


Timby posted:

There's a fantastic book about Rockstar and the history of GTA. It's a bit outdated, as it came out in 2012, but it's called Jacked and it's by David Kushner. Excellent read.

The BBC tv-movie based on this with Daniel Radcliffe as Sam Houser & Bill Paxton as Jack Thompson is a real mess which is such a shame when u have Daniel Radcliffe as Sam Houser & Bill Paxton as Jack Thompson

Snowman_McK
Jan 31, 2010


DrVenkman posted:

The Ansari thing is weird and reads to me like a confused sexual encounter that was retold by a website that wanted to rush and get their name out there while #metoo was hot.

Also, Winona Ryder faced more shunning and scorn for shoplifting than CK ever did for forcing women into watching him jerk off.

You are functionally illiterate.

Also, your second line makes an...interesting pairing with your first.

K. Waste posted:

You're a loving idiot

Second.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991



Paragon8 posted:

I read Michelle Morrow thrown around.

I also found it a bit odd that Kumail Nanjiani and Emily Gordon have been pretty silent on the whole Hardwick thing. Well I mean I guess that's just the easiest thing to do for anyone in that sphere.

It's really incredible how many people are super into the most replaceable man in pop culture.

https://twitter.com/jackallisonLOL/status/1035330809199120384

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised




Ironically, progressive and even social justice oriented communities have a biiiig tendency to succumb to the Geek Social Fallacies, with many having already reached the inevitable endgame where the predators and abusers are immovable fixtures.

Paragon8
Feb 19, 2007



https://twitter.com/PageSix/status/1036245519415353344


Ghost Leviathan posted:

Ironically, progressive and even social justice oriented communities have a biiiig tendency to succumb to the Geek Social Fallacies, with many having already reached the inevitable endgame where the predators and abusers are immovable fixtures.

Thanks for that term, I hadn't read about Geek Social Fallacies before.

There's a lot of progressive voices I think - especially in entertainment - who haven't realised that they're carrying massive blindspots regarding race and gender especially and should just shut up and let better able people pick up the torch. That whole Michael Ian Black shitshow on twitter is one example. Navigating the fragility around not having a relevant opinion on an issue despite having a massive platform is going to be super important for a lot of celebrities.

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...



Just a reminder that Robin Wright decided to marry Sean Penn.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



I guess a history of assaulting fifteen (plus?) different men and boys across a span of decades was a “whoopsie,” and Spacey should be given the opportunity to put the trauma he had suffered in the allegations coming to light behind him, and move on with his life. It’s whats fair.

Robin Wright just handially killed whatever modicum of interest I might have had in “her” season of House Of Cards.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

how few people do you
need before you can
change the world?


She must not like having a career either.

Brazilianpeanutwar
Aug 27, 2015

Spent my walletfull, on a jpeg, desolate, will croberts make a whale of me yet?


Fart City posted:

I guess a history of assaulting fifteen (plus?) different men and boys across a span of decades was a “whoopsie,” and Spacey should be given the opportunity to put the trauma he had suffered in the allegations coming to light behind him, and move on with his life. It’s whats fair.

Robin Wright just handially killed whatever modicum of interest I might have had in “her” season of House Of Cards.

Don't you know he's *dramatic pause* GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY????????????

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



Nap Ghost


There's like a vaguely fair point about it being hosed up that you don't get to have a private life if you're a succesful actor, but her overall message seems to be "couldn't people have just kept quiet :( "

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


Snowman_McK posted:

You are functionally illiterate.

Also, your second line makes an...interesting pairing with your first.


Second.

Not really. There's a reason other journalists had some stuff to say about Babe.net and their reporting of the encounter. I still think Ansari is in the wrong, and reading it again there are details I had forgotten about that paint him as a piece of poo poo so calling it a confusing sexual encounter is my stupid mistake, but I still think they're guilty of rushing a story out for clicks and not asking questions that any journalist worth their salt would ask because they know the people reading the story will ask the same thing.

Zogo
Jul 29, 2003



CNN Has Pulled Episodes Of "Parts Unknown" Featuring Asia Argento From Their Streaming Service
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/juliareinstein/asia-argento-parts-unknown-cnn-jimmy-bennett-bourdain

Chinese Billionaire Released by Minnesota Police After Arrest on Alleged Sexual Misconduct
https://www.wsj.com/articles/billionaire-head-of-chinas-jd-com-arrested-in-minnesota-1535885060

‘Lost’ Producers Apologize To Evangeline Lilly For Her Discomfort On The Set
https://deadline.com/2018/08/lost-producers-apologize-to-evangeline-lilly-for-her-discomfort-on-the-set-1202440183/

My 'big break' in porn was a nightmare
https://nypost.com/2018/08/29/i-was-treated-like-a-piece-of-meat-adult-actress-waits-for-metoo/

Snowman_McK
Jan 31, 2010


DrVenkman posted:

Not really. There's a reason other journalists had some stuff to say about Babe.net and their reporting of the encounter. I still think Ansari is in the wrong, and reading it again there are details I had forgotten about that paint him as a piece of poo poo so calling it a confusing sexual encounter is my stupid mistake, but I still think they're guilty of rushing a story out for clicks and not asking questions that any journalist worth their salt would ask because they know the people reading the story will ask the same thing.

Go on. You only forgot details like 'the actual events that the article detailed' so your analysis is still valuable.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


Snowman_McK posted:

Go on. You only forgot details like 'the actual events that the article detailed' so your analysis is still valuable.

Nah it's ok, if you want to be a dick over it I'd rather the thread just move along. There are plenty of places that have talked about it though so it shouldn't be hard to find. Have a good day x

Snowman_McK
Jan 31, 2010


DrVenkman posted:

Nah it's ok, if you want to be a dick over it I'd rather the thread just move along. There are plenty of places that have talked about it though so it shouldn't be hard to find. Have a good day x

I read them at the time. They were pissy catfighting dressed up as concerns about journalistic integrity.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 11, 2015

by Cyrano4747


so John Darnielle is probably a piece of poo poo

Hat Thoughts
Jul 27, 2012



could u summarize that

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 11, 2015

by Cyrano4747


Hat Thoughts posted:

could u summarize that

i... literally did, in the post you quoted

if you want a more specific summary he has a history of being really really weird towards young fans of Mountain Goats and emotionally manipulating them, to the extent that it could possibly be considered grooming

Catfishenfuego
Oct 21, 2008

Moist With Indignation



As far as I can tell everything about the grooming poo poo is (really creepy homophobic and totally inappropriate) projection on the part of the person who wrote this, who seems like a huge gaslighting piece of poo poo.

Catfishenfuego fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Sep 4, 2018

RaspberrySea
Nov 29, 2004

Watch out! A POIsonous snake!


There is so much introspective Tumblr-babbling in that post that it really does need a better summary.

quote:

the months following this were mostly composed of me attempting to be a friend while constantly thinking i was doing something wrong, and john generally not responding unless he was having a vulnerable moment. finally, i allowed myself to realize that he was using me.

quote:

and then, because it was relevant, he asked me my pronouns. i said, “you little poo poo, i told you my pronouns when i met you and you went off on a whole spiel about how i shouldn’t label myself.” he stuttered for a second, then said, “you’re right, you’re absolutely right.” i thanked him because there was something irrationally satisfying about john telling me i was right, about anything.

Like, I'm not dissecting this entire thing, but I can just as easily read this as some fan trying to suck up to a singer (?) they like for years who probably should have blocked them ages ago. loving say why he's supposed to be a monster that isn't just screenshots of buddy asking this guy for weed hookups and stuff that sounds like the teen girl dramatics I went through with all my friends in early high school.

Catfishenfuego
Oct 21, 2008

Moist With Indignation


Literally one of those 'damning receipts' is that person trying to get John to get them weed and when he replies casually but doesn't immediately give them what they want they try to gaslight him.

twerking on the railroad
Jun 23, 2007

Get on my level


Darneille ist ein sexmonster:

Ja oder nein ?!?!

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016


https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1037658235711438848?s=21

quote:

Twentieth Century Fox was just days away from locking picture on “The Predator” when an urgent note came in: Delete the scene featuring Steven Wilder Striegel.

Striegel, 47, didn’t have a big role in his longtime friend Shane Black’s reboot of the sci-fi thriller — just a three-page scene shared with actress Olivia Munn.

But last month, Munn learned that Striegel is a registered sex offender who pleaded guilty in 2010 after facing allegations that he attempted to lure a 14-year-old female into a sexual relationship via the internet. When Munn shared the information with Fox on Aug. 15, studio executives quickly decided to excise him from the movie.
...
Striegel served six months in jail after pleading guilty to two felonies — risk of injury to a child and enticing a minor by computer. The first role he landed after his release was in Black’s 2013 film, “Iron Man 3.” Three years later, he got another part in one of the filmmaker’s projects, the crime caper “The Nice Guys.” In 2016, Black told GQ that he was planning to produce a heist film “by my friend Steve Wilder.”

Black defended his decision to cast Striegel in a small part in “The Predator” as a jogger who repeatedly hits on Munn’s character.

“I personally chose to help a friend,” Black said in a written statement to The Times. “I can understand others might disapprove, as his conviction was on a sensitive charge and not to be taken lightly.”

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!



Fun Shoe

Awesome that it fell to Olivia Munn to have to "inform" Fox about this. Something tells me they knew about it before and only made a move because Munn talking about it in the press would've been a bad look.

chitoryu12
Apr 23, 2014



“I had to give my convicted sex offender buddy a chance by casting him as a sex offender harassing my lead actress. There was literally no other option I could have taken here.”

Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010



Seems weird that Munn would be the one to find out about it. Who would check on their no-name bit-part co-star of a 3 minute scene?

peer
Jan 17, 2004

this is not what I wanted

not altogether surprised that Black appears to be an rear end in a top hat, but that still sucks

Sodomy Hussein
Oct 9, 2005



Vegetable posted:

Seems weird that Munn would be the one to find out about it. Who would check on their no-name bit-part co-star of a 3 minute scene?

Someone who had an inkling that something weird was going on

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised




Sodomy Hussein posted:

Someone who had an inkling that something weird was going on

:woomy:?

That term is ruined for me.

Low Desert Punk
Jul 4, 2012

i have absolutely no fucking money


i loving hate this gross stupid industry

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!



Fun Shoe

Vegetable posted:

Seems weird that Munn would be the one to find out about it. Who would check on their no-name bit-part co-star of a 3 minute scene?

She probably found out from someone else, and she figured that as someone actually prominently featured in the movie, they'd take her more seriously than just some rando posting about it on social media.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



Nap Ghost

Guy's undeniably a creep, Shane Black's defense of him is gross and problematic, and to put him in any kind of sexually charged scene with a woman who has come out with her own story of sexual assault is incredibly lovely.

But: guy did time for his crime, it wasn't buried and it wasn't directly related to his acting work. Should he not get to work again because he's a sex offender?

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!



Fun Shoe

davidspackage posted:

Guy's undeniably a creep, Shane Black's defense of him is gross and problematic, and to put him in any kind of sexually charged scene with a woman who has come out with her own story of sexual assault is incredibly lovely.

But: guy did time for his crime, it wasn't buried and it wasn't directly related to his acting work. Should he not get to work again because he's a sex offender?

Whether he works again is a decision every potential employer has to make their own decision about. So to make some grand pronouncement about whether he "ever gets to work again" is meaningless, he'll work again or not based on how his future employers feel about the fact that he tried to have sex with a child.

So if you're so interested in finding out whether a sex offender will get to work again, why don't you answer the question for yourself. Would you want to hire him?

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


I don't even think it's a matter of whether or not is someone is ever able to work again, Pep Boys is hiring after all. It's more like, why would you cast your friend who got busted for feeling up a high schooler as a tree-jumper for a gag in your movie?

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!



Fun Shoe

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

I don't even think it's a matter of whether or not is someone is ever able to work again, Pep Boys is hiring after all. It's more like, why would you cast your friend who got busted for feeling up a high schooler as a tree-jumper for a gag in your movie?

Exactly, when I say "future employers", there is no presumption that working in show business is some sort of entitlement. Get a job if you can, doesn't mean Hollywood is required to keep your career afloat just because you want to be an actor. Not that this guy was exactly lighting the world on fire with his acting jobs anyway.

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!


Fox and Wilder put out a statement about it. Fox claims that they didn’t know due to laws that impede background checks on actors (there actually aren’t any such laws) and Wilder says the girl was a problemed relative he reached out to offer help and ended up falling for her. He says nothing physical happened but the girl says it definitely did.

K. Waste
Feb 27, 2014

MORAL:
To the vector belong the spoils.


HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

I don't even think it's a matter of whether or not is someone is ever able to work again, Pep Boys is hiring after all. It's more like, why would you cast your friend who got busted for feeling up a high schooler as a tree-jumper for a gag in your movie?

I've only seen Iron Man 3 and The Nice Guys and, I don't know, the authorial voice there does sound exactly like someone for whom, like, Anthony Cumia is a personal hero.

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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


K. Waste posted:

I've only seen Iron Man 3 and The Nice Guys and, I don't know, the authorial voice there does sound exactly like someone for whom, like, Anthony Cumia is a personal hero.

I'm being entirely rhetorical of course, I seen The Last Boy Scout.

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