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Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

how few people do you
need before you can
change the world?


Family Guy was making Polanski jokes in its first season which might have help the public catch on a bit.

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Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless


Rhyno posted:

Family Guy was making Polanski jokes in its first season which might have help the public catch on a bit.

They made jokes about Spacey as well, didn't they?

I think in this season coming they're doing a #MeToo-themed episode where Quagmire gets taken to task. Who knows how that will turn out.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang




Wheat Loaf posted:

I think in this season coming they're doing a #MeToo-themed episode where Quagmire gets taken to task. Who knows how that will turn out.

It's a South Park crossover

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless


Krankenstyle posted:

It's a South Park crossover

Seriously?

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised




Family Guy not being afraid to be in horrible taste has led it in some odd directions.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011






Wheat Loaf posted:

Who knows how that will turn out.

Badly.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang




Wheat Loaf posted:

Seriously?

lol i have no idea but wouldn't it just be that though?

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006
I am an autistic asshole that is incapable of understanding anything that isn't face value. Please consider my disability when reading my posts.

Wheat Loaf posted:

They made jokes about Spacey as well, didn't they?

Also Bill Cosby.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless


And probably Weinstein as well, I shouldn't wonder.

enki42
Jun 11, 2001
#ATMLIVESMATTER

Put this Nazi-lover on ignore immediately!


Wheat Loaf posted:

And probably Weinstein as well, I shouldn't wonder.

I don't think Family guy did, but MacFarlane definitely did before the whole Weinstein thing blew up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XKzDRz5C90

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

¡Hola SEA!




A Buttery Pastry posted:

AFAIK, European feminist movements in general can be a bit guarded vis-a-vis the American feminist movement, because the latter effectively rewrites history. Not purposefully, it's just that the internet has given the American feminist movement as much cultural power as American pop culture - and thus young feminists in Europe are taught a history of feminism that's just downright false within their own context. Basically leading the younger generation to lash out at their older compatriots for poo poo they had no part in at all.* Obviously none of that actually justifies defending this poo poo, it's more a thing to keep in mind if you get mystified by the stuff coming out of non-American movements in general.

Would you mind explaining what you’re referring to

Skwirl
May 13, 2007

The 'blood babe with the silicone chest, 200-dollar haircut, and a closet full of the latest fashions.




LORD OF BOOTY posted:

it's a bit more complex than that. France doesn't extradite to the US, period, because they're not okay with the US having the death penalty. Polanski's charges are in the US, so their response to the idea of extraditing him has been "gently caress no, abolish the death penalty you assholes."

like, they're not actively trying to defend pedophiles, they're trying to fight the death penalty, and it turns out the one card in their hand is a pedophile. if we got rid of it on a federal level, Polanski would likely be standing trial in the US within days.

It's a much more arduous process than a lot of other places, but France does have an extradition treaty with us. What they won't do is extradite a French citizen, and Polanski is one of those. Death penalty shouldn't enter into it since it's not a capital case.

Also, people in general seem more sympathetic to Polanski because of his personal history as a concentration camp survivor then losing Sharon Tate and their unborn child the way they did. My dad has refused to watch Woody Allen films for decades now, but Chinatown is one of his favorite movies of all time.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006
I am an autistic asshole that is incapable of understanding anything that isn't face value. Please consider my disability when reading my posts.

It would be a lot easier to separate art from the artist in these cases if the artists had actually paid the consequences for the hosed up poo poo they did.

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."




Separate the art from the artist by way of guillotine imho.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



PT6A posted:

It would be a lot easier to separate art from the artist in these cases if the artists had actually paid the consequences for the hosed up poo poo they did.

Good point. Closure allows for compartmentalization and reflection. With people like Polanski, who continue to go unpunished, their crimes are still effectively in progress. That makes it far harder to be objective about purchasing or even renting access to their work, as in some degree it contributes to the perpetuation of that crime.

chitoryu12
Apr 23, 2014



Does Polanski even get any money from someone watching Chinatown any more?

LesterGroans
Jun 9, 2009

It's funny...

You were so scary at night.


No, I stopped mailing him five bucks every time I pop my DVD in.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



chitoryu12 posted:

Does Polanski even get any money from someone watching Chinatown any more?

I would assume that he gains royalties in perpetuity, but I admit I’m not an authority on how that works. But he would definitely likely get a percentage of box office grosses for anything new. Like what’s the deal with stuff produced by the Weinstein Co? Production companies usually return their investment on the backend, so I’d have to think he’d still be making money off of home video or rentals.

If anybody has insight on how that works, feel free to educate.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

The video arcade made me what I am today!



Fart City posted:

Good point. Closure allows for compartmentalization and reflection. With people like Polanski, who continue to go unpunished, their crimes are still effectively in progress. That makes it far harder to be objective about purchasing or even renting access to their work, as in some degree it contributes to the perpetuation of that crime.

For me it's not even about punishment, Roman Polanski really doesn't believe he did anything "wrong". If he made a mistake and admitted as much, admitted he'd done wrong, I'd still think he's a piece of poo poo rapist but at least he'd be a little more human. To taunt reporters, insult the judge or whatever ("They're just jealous"), and then flee to a country without extradition just makes him into an irredeemable fuckhead.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


King Vidiot posted:

For me it's not even about punishment, Roman Polanski really doesn't believe he did anything "wrong". If he made a mistake and admitted as much, admitted he'd done wrong, I'd still think he's a piece of poo poo rapist but at least he'd be a little more human. To taunt reporters, insult the judge or whatever ("They're just jealous"), and then flee to a country without extradition just makes him into an irredeemable fuckhead.

And he hasn't gotten any better over time, he's just become a nasty little poo poo. Unrepentant child rapist.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless


I hear he plans to shoot a Julian Assange movie starring himself as Julian Assange (Julian Assange will cameo playing Roman Polanski).

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016


https://twitter.com/studentactivism/status/1047159946440265729?s=21
I feel like it would be easier if they just didn't let him on stage there anymore

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

how few people do you
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change the world?


aware of dog posted:

https://twitter.com/studentactivism/status/1047159946440265729?s=21
I feel like it would be easier if they just didn't let him on stage there anymore

I'd wager there's more people who want to see him perform than those who don't.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

The video arcade made me what I am today!



That Louis CK is a real class act, giving you free food and beer just by appearing in public as a giant creeper making rape jokes.

Slutitution
Jun 26, 2018

by Nyc_Tattoo


Fart City posted:

Good point. Closure allows for compartmentalization and reflection. With people like Polanski, who continue to go unpunished, their crimes are still effectively in progress. That makes it far harder to be objective about purchasing or even renting access to their work, as in some degree it contributes to the perpetuation of that crime.

Crimes aside, Polanksi's ability to avoid the reach of U.S. officials 40+ years later and counting is pretty gangster.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


King Vidiot posted:

For me it's not even about punishment, Roman Polanski really doesn't believe he did anything "wrong". If he made a mistake and admitted as much, admitted he'd done wrong, I'd still think he's a piece of poo poo rapist but at least he'd be a little more human. To taunt reporters, insult the judge or whatever ("They're just jealous"), and then flee to a country without extradition just makes him into an irredeemable fuckhead.

Yeah I mean someone can make their documentaries and talk all they want about how he was railroaded by an over-zealous judge all they want, but watch his interviews afterwards and he treats what he did with nothing more than a shrug and insists that it was the "European way". He's an utter piece of poo poo.

21 Muns
Dec 10, 2016

by FactsAreUseless


Slutitution posted:

Crimes aside, Polanksi's ability to avoid the reach of U.S. officials 40+ years later and counting is pretty gangster.

https://twitter.com/dril/status/831805955402776576

Slutitution
Jun 26, 2018

by Nyc_Tattoo



Successfully avoiding the authorities - American authorities, in particular - is a separate talent altogether.

teacup
Dec 20, 2006

Who would win in a fight? Taylor Swift or Daryl Somers?

Slutitution posted:

Crimes aside, Polanksi's ability to avoid the reach of U.S. officials 40+ years later and counting is pretty gangster.

Step one- move to france
Step two- don’t go to a country with extradition to USA

Results obtained- not gangster

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

ASK ME ABOUT MY SCHOOL GIRL FETISH

DrVenkman posted:

Yeah I mean someone can make their documentaries and talk all they want about how he was railroaded by an over-zealous judge all they want, but watch his interviews afterwards and he treats what he did with nothing more than a shrug and insists that it was the "European way". He's an utter piece of poo poo.

Yeah, whoo boy, that judge, how dare he want a sleazy guy who drugged a girl barely in her teens and raped her locked up and poo poo. The loving nerve.

gently caress Polanski apologists.

Das Boo
Jun 9, 2011

There was a GHOST here. It's gone now.




French law has some astounding blind spots that give great benefits to sexual predators. Like the whole no legal age of consent thing and not searching for missing adults. It's no wonder Polaski's doing just lovely.

Anonymous John
Mar 8, 2002


Vagabundo posted:

Yeah, whoo boy, that judge, how dare he want a sleazy guy who drugged a girl barely in her teens and raped her locked up and poo poo. The loving nerve.

gently caress Polanski apologists.

The odd thing is that the victim seems to have forgiven Polanski, but still holds a massive grudge against the judge involved in the case.

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/65gqla/iama_samantha_geimer_the_victim_in_the_1977_roman/

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:


DeimosRising posted:

Would you mind explaining what you’re referring to
The basic issue is that (Continental) European feminism comes from a different tradition than American feminism, due to the very different societies from which they first spawned. American feminism has traditionally been liberal in nature, focusing on issues that are/were important to upper-middle-class white women while ignoring the perspectives of working class or non-white women. A lot of European movements on the other hand have been directly worker-focused since their inception around the start of the 19th century - though conversely, some took an explicitly anti-socialist tack as a reaction. These worker-focused European movements have probably also been more structural in their critique, given their socialist bent.

Anyway, this liberal American approach unsurprisingly failed to serve the needs of a lot of women, so feminism in the US eventually evolved into a more intersectional direction as a result - with a lot of criticism directed at the previous waves. Which is entirely fair, but clearly you shouldn't just take those criticisms and direct them at a movement with an entirely different history. Like, there's probably still a lot of useful lessons from the modern American movements, but it probably doesn't make much sense to critique a socialist feminist movement for not caring about working class women.

A Buttery Pastry fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Oct 6, 2018

sponges
Sep 14, 2011



chitoryu12 posted:

Does Polanski even get any money from someone watching Chinatown any more?

I sincerely doubt watching Chinatown on Netflix will benefit him in any way.

chitoryu12
Apr 23, 2014



sponges posted:

I sincerely doubt watching Chinatown on Netflix will benefit him in any way.

Yeah, it feels like avoiding classic films in the name of purity has kinda gotten to be one of those things that makes you feel good while doing absolutely nothing to affect anyone else.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang




A Buttery Pastry posted:

The basic issue is that (Continental) European feminism comes from a different tradition than American feminism, due to the very different societies from which they first spawned. American feminism has traditionally been liberal in nature, focusing on issues that are/were important to upper-middle-class white women while ignoring the perspectives of working class or non-white women. A lot of European movements on the other hand have been directly worker-focused since their inception around the start of the 19th century - though conversely, some took an explicitly anti-socialist tack as a reaction. These worker-focused European movements have probably also been more structural in their critique, given their socialist bent.

Anyway, this liberal American approach unsurprisingly failed to serve the needs of a lot of women, so feminism in the US eventually evolved into a more intersectional direction as a result - with a lot of criticism directed at the previous waves. Which is entirely fair, but clearly you shouldn't just take those criticisms and direct them at a movement with an entirely different history. Like, there's probably still a lot of useful lessons from the modern American movements, but it probably doesn't make much sense to critique a socialist feminist movement for not caring about working class women.


see you know im euro too and im all for banding together to gently caress the man.

The problem is that american versions of european philosophy — while they have more flavour &c — are so incredibly frutless. Look at their labour movement like wtf?!

aware of dog
Nov 14, 2016


https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1049395277466079232?s=21

chitoryu12
Apr 23, 2014




https://jezebel.com/busy-philipps-has-been-talking-for-years-about-the-time-1829605876

He's got a bunch of sexual misconduct claims against him separate from this, but Philipps has previously said she and Franco settled everything after this.

Coffee And Pie
Nov 4, 2010

"Blah-sum"?
More like "Blawesome"


chitoryu12 posted:

https://jezebel.com/busy-philipps-has-been-talking-for-years-about-the-time-1829605876

He's got a bunch of sexual misconduct claims against him separate from this, but Philipps has previously said she and Franco settled everything after this.

It also stands to note that the assault was a physical attack and not a sexual thing like the rest. Not that it makes it better, obviously.

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Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...


Franco was at NYU when I was an undergrad there (2010ish) and everyone I know who crossed paths with him described him as a legendary rear end in a top hat.

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