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DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

°Hola SEA!




A Buttery Pastry posted:

The basic issue is that (Continental) European feminism comes from a different tradition than American feminism, due to the very different societies from which they first spawned. American feminism has traditionally been liberal in nature, focusing on issues that are/were important to upper-middle-class white women while ignoring the perspectives of working class or non-white women. A lot of European movements on the other hand have been directly worker-focused since their inception around the start of the 19th century - though conversely, some took an explicitly anti-socialist tack as a reaction. These worker-focused European movements have probably also been more structural in their critique, given their socialist bent.

Anyway, this liberal American approach unsurprisingly failed to serve the needs of a lot of women, so feminism in the US eventually evolved into a more intersectional direction as a result - with a lot of criticism directed at the previous waves. Which is entirely fair, but clearly you shouldn't just take those criticisms and direct them at a movement with an entirely different history. Like, there's probably still a lot of useful lessons from the modern American movements, but it probably doesn't make much sense to critique a socialist feminist movement for not caring about working class women.

I guess Iím not sure what this has to do with the muted response to sexual harassment/assault in the European film industries so I didnít understand it as a response to the post you quoted

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A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
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DeimosRising posted:

I guess Iím not sure what this has to do with the muted response to sexual harassment/assault in the European film industries so I didnít understand it as a response to the post you quoted
You can't divorce the reaction to something like #metoo in France from the general interaction between American and French feminism. The interaction is not happening in completely isolated incidents, but as part of a continuing conversation of sorts - and if American feminists are in "bad standing" among French feminists, that makes it far easier to dismiss American movements or play up their bad parts. That goes the other way too obviously, if the general feeling in America becomes that French feminists continue to defend sexual harassment.

Barry Convex
Sep 1, 2005

Think of the good things, Pim! The good things!

Like Jesus, candy, and crackerjacks! Ice cream and cake and lots o'laffs!
Grandma, Grandpa, and Uncle Joe! Larry, Curly, and brother Moe!


Iíd say ďholy poo poo, itís finally happening,Ē but Iíve said that about Singer before, only for a few days of bad press to quickly fizzle out. Still, fingers crossed

https://twitter.com/deadline/status/1051821267463143426?s=21

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless


Has he got any big movies coming out? I'm not sure what his last project would've been - did he direct the last X-Men?

Autechresaint
Jan 25, 2012


Wheat Loaf posted:

Has he got any big movies coming out? I'm not sure what his last project would've been - did he direct the last X-Men?

Directed that queen biopic..well started, then walked off and disappeared, someone else finished it, but will still gets full directors credit because who knows why.

Barry Convex
Sep 1, 2005

Think of the good things, Pim! The good things!

Like Jesus, candy, and crackerjacks! Ice cream and cake and lots o'laffs!
Grandma, Grandpa, and Uncle Joe! Larry, Curly, and brother Moe!


Wheat Loaf posted:

Has he got any big movies coming out? I'm not sure what his last project would've been - did he direct the last X-Men?

heís supposedly getting $10 million to direct a Red Sonja reboot, somehow

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012



Wheat Loaf posted:

Has he got any big movies coming out? I'm not sure what his last project would've been - did he direct the last X-Men?

He mentions the Queen movie in his post

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012



Autechresaint posted:

Directed that queen biopic..well started, then walked off and disappeared, someone else finished it, but will still gets full directors credit because who knows why.

https://twitter.com/Ceilidhann/status/1051833861162889216

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



Nap Ghost

I will now never forget the name Dexter Fletcher, because his name is Dexter Fletcher.

Ferrous
Feb 28, 2010


He also replaced Dominik Diamond for S3 of GamesMaster so he was already a legend in my eyes.

AceOfFlames
Oct 9, 2012



Isn't the actual rule that the replacement director has to reshoot at least 10% of the movie to get credit? I can't imagine it was that little.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


AceOfFlames posted:

Isn't the actual rule that the replacement director has to reshoot at least 10% of the movie to get credit? I can't imagine it was that little.

Well Singer walked out on like the last two weeks of filming I think, so the movie was all but done.

Also, what they won't talk about so much is that Singer was the one in the editing room putting the cut together, not Fletcher.

It wouldn't surprise me if the rules were about whose footage was used, not on who shot what.

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible





AceOfFlames posted:

Isn't the actual rule that the replacement director has to reshoot at least 10% of the movie to get credit? I can't imagine it was that little.

I thought it had to be a lot more than 10%.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!



Davros1 posted:

I thought it had to be a lot more than 10%.

Half, I think, hence the Donner / Lester drama on Superman II.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

how few people do you
need before you can
change the world?


gently caress Singer.

And I don't care what anyone says, Brad Renfro killed himself and I still believe Singer was a key player in what lead to that.

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible





https://twitter.com/Gothamist/status/1052579400137494529

Coffee And Pie
Nov 4, 2010

"Blah-sum"?
More like "Blawesome"



Good. He should have lost more.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


Rhyno posted:

gently caress Singer.

And I don't care what anyone says, Brad Renfro killed himself and I still believe Singer was a key player in what lead to that.

Wait, was it disputed that Renfro killed himself?

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

how few people do you
need before you can
change the world?


HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

Wait, was it disputed that Renfro killed himself?

No but a lot of people think it was Singer's influence/alleged abuse that drove him to the life that lead him to suicide.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


Ah okay, I see what you're saying.

Snowman_McK
Jan 31, 2010



"What's the most out of touch, missing the point public statement could I make?"

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!




Yes.

That is the right takeaway.

Sodomy Hussein
Oct 9, 2005



I'm starting to think Louis is not a good listener.

i am the bird
Mar 2, 2005

I SUPPORT ALL THE PREDATORS


It appeals to the common man who also could lose $35 million and still be a millionaire.

Pirate Jet
May 2, 2010


I, too, lost most of my fortune in an hour, when I paid my electric bill, for the first time in ten years.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

The video arcade made me what I am today!



I guess that's "potential money an hour" but also it's an exaggeration whatever way you slice it. But regardless, how loving out of touch do you need to be to toss out a "MY PRECIOUS MILLIONS" statement as a sexual assaulting white male in The Year 2018?

I truly feel for Strokey McGingerdick and his poor millions he lost last year. A true hero.

Snowman_McK
Jan 31, 2010


What makes it more galling is that his whole stand up persona was from someone who was self aware of how awful they were.

porfiria
Dec 10, 2008


I mean according to the article it was delivered as a jokeóitís apparently supposed to sound absurd. To be clear, Louis Ckís body should be torn into four pieces by driven horses and the pieces scattered to the corners of the earth.

Snowman_McK
Jan 31, 2010


porfiria posted:

I mean according to the article it was delivered as a jokeóitís apparently supposed to sound absurd. To be clear, Louis Ckís body should be torn into four pieces by driven horses and the pieces scattered to the corners of the earth.

Weird. Maybe Louis CK should have got a comedian to write it or something

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012



I dunno, I think its pretty funny that he lost 35million dollars.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

The video arcade made me what I am today!



I think the just thing would be to roll back his current net worth to whatever he had at the time that he exposed himself. Then whatever he has left, a large portion of that would go to the victims. Leave him with like, a $50,000 home in a tiny nowhere town and $3000 in savings, and just say "good luck rear end in a top hat". Make him flip burgers for the rest of his life like the rest of us.

Mameluke
Aug 2, 2013
some dirty-sneaker-inbred-out of the woods-Pabst beer pussy methhead-junkie running all around town telling EVERYONE EVERYTHING ABOUT ELON MUSK


King Vidiot posted:

I think the just thing would be to roll back his current net worth to whatever he had at the time that he exposed himself. Then whatever he has left, a large portion of that would go to the victims. Leave him with like, a $50,000 home in a tiny nowhere town and $3000 in savings, and just say "good luck rear end in a top hat". Make him flip burgers for the rest of his life like the rest of us.

This but also for the rich people who aren't currently facing accusations too imo

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

The video arcade made me what I am today!



I should run for congress on the "Good Luck, rear end in a top hat" platform. :911:

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


King Vidiot posted:

I guess that's "potential money an hour" but also it's an exaggeration whatever way you slice it.

That's what makes it utterly unsympathetic. He didn't lose anything but potential work, temporarily, and made it ten times worse by being a total rear end in a top hat about it.

Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010



I don't know, I don't see how joking about losing 35 million is bad. He's an awful guy for not being particularly contrite about his misdeeds but this joke is a nothingburger.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!



Fun Shoe

Vegetable posted:

I don't know, I don't see how joking about losing 35 million is bad. He's an awful guy for not being particularly contrite about his misdeeds but this joke is a nothingburger.

I think if it were just one joke it wouldn't matter as much, but he's consistently been an rear end in a top hat throughout the whole situation. If he'd lost a million for every time he gave some equivocating half apology he'd have lost much more than 35 mil.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


When you're talking about someone who's worth $50 million, I don't know how sympathetic I'm supposed to be, especially considering the vast majority of people have a net worth of zero.

Snowman_McK
Jan 31, 2010


Vegetable posted:

I don't know, I don't see how joking about losing 35 million is bad. He's an awful guy for not being particularly contrite about his misdeeds but this joke is a nothingburger.

our cultural reaction to sexual assault tends to be 'but what about his career' rather than 'what about her life' and joking that it was a bad year because he lost out on money is also the unironic thing lots of these fuckwads say. There's no joke. It's an all too real thing. HTH

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991



Mameluke posted:

This but also for the rich people who aren't currently facing accusations too imo

down to the countryside movement looking pretty, pretty, preeeeeeeetty good these days.

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Mameluke
Aug 2, 2013
some dirty-sneaker-inbred-out of the woods-Pabst beer pussy methhead-junkie running all around town telling EVERYONE EVERYTHING ABOUT ELON MUSK


R. Dieovich posted:

down to the countryside movement looking pretty, pretty, preeeeeeeetty good these days.

Just imagine, Sheldon Adelson having to hitch home from his ten-hour shift at the Quickie because his car broke down. Michael Bloomberg sleeping poorly because his bed's bolted to the floor underneath the ceiling hole in his Nebraska trailer. The DeVos family discovering opioids.

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