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Sucrose
Dec 9, 2009


Pirate Jet posted:

This is obvious news but for the sake of the thread’s chronicle I just thought it should be mentioned that Hollywood, who totally sympathizes and cares for the people speaking up for the #metoo movement, last night gave a “Best Picture” award to a film directed by a pederast who left production halfway through.

It’s an interesting dilemma. Do you punish everyone else who worked on the film by saying that it shouldn’t win awards? Would it be enough if Singer himself is locked out of the awards race? Or does the cast deserve some pushback, given that they willingly signed on to work with Singer, who has allegations against him going back decades?

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secretly best girl
Mar 27, 2007

I see you choosing that other route. How dare you.

Also of weird mention is that everyone was super careful to never mention the director in their speeches. So that kinda smacks to me of someone telling everyone "AVOID THE SINGER ISSUE".

Jack's Flow
Jun 6, 2003

Life, friends, is boring


STAC Goat posted:

Literally every time a friend has suggested a comedy podcast to me its inevitable ended with me being grossed out by a podcast that was like 50% gross sexual stuff and misogyny and results in an uncomfortable talk with my friend.

I loved Professor Blastoff. That was a good comedy podcast.

Pirate Jet
May 2, 2010


Sucrose posted:

It’s an interesting dilemma. Do you punish everyone else who worked on the film by saying that it shouldn’t win awards? Would it be enough if Singer himself is locked out of the awards race? Or does the cast deserve some pushback, given that they willingly signed on to work with Singer, who has allegations against him going back decades?

I would argue that a lot of behind-the-scenes people have to take whatever work they can and don’t really have a choice, but this decision of whether or not to award BH despite its director is made much easier by the fact that on top of all that it’s also an absurdly lovely movie.

Sodomy Hussein
Oct 9, 2005



Pirate Jet posted:

This is obvious news but for the sake of the thread’s chronicle I just thought it should be mentioned that Hollywood, who totally sympathizes and cares for the people speaking up for the #metoo movement, last night gave a “Best Picture” award to a film directed by a pederast who left production halfway through.

It would be one thing if the movie were worth a drat and not one of the worst movies to ever get major award considerations. Absolutely amateurish, boring filmmaking with a pathetic script that descended into witless self-parody.

Sucrose
Dec 9, 2009


Pirate Jet posted:

I would argue that a lot of behind-the-scenes people have to take whatever work they can and don’t really have a choice, but this decision of whether or not to award BH despite its director is made much easier by the fact that on top of all that it’s also an absurdly lovely movie.

True. And I'm talking about rewarding the movie at the awards vs not rewarding the movie, not whether we should criticize the cast and crew just for making the movie.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised




Snowman_McK posted:

Oswalt tells a great story about how easily comedians lose it. It was on his blog. It's not surprising that he'd be susceptible to it. He'd just be a bit more aware of it happening.

I mean, he was also the guy who coined the terms 'brocialist' and 'brogressive' which refer to someone who's progressive right up until it inconveniences them. If this was a novel, that irony would be too on the nose.

Isn't that used against so-called 'Bernie Bros' all of the time, usually by people who turn out to be exactly the kind of person who are progressive up until the moment they might have to pay a cent more in taxes and/or they get exposed as sex creeps?

Pedro De Heredia
May 30, 2006


STAC Goat posted:

So like... I don't know if CK is getting worse or if he was always this bad. But I know when I look back at some of his old jokes its not to compare to itself, its to ask myself why I found that funny when I did and what that says about me.

Nothing changed about you. He's just very funny.

Very funny people will make you laugh, even if you don't want to. That's what being very funny is.

Pedro De Heredia fucked around with this message at 09:48 on Jan 8, 2019

enki42
Jun 11, 2001
#ATMLIVESMATTER

Put this Nazi-lover on ignore immediately!


Ghost Leviathan posted:

Isn't that used against so-called 'Bernie Bros' all of the time, usually by people who turn out to be exactly the kind of person who are progressive up until the moment they might have to pay a cent more in taxes and/or they get exposed as sex creeps?

I think the intention behind it is pretty similar - people who use those terms are saying people are progressive so long as they don't have to vote for a woman as president. (I think it's wildly inaccurate for 99.99% of Bernie supporters, but I do think that's what the intent is)

twerking on the railroad
Jun 23, 2007

Get on my level


Snowman_McK posted:

Oswalt tells a great story about how easily comedians lose it. It was on his blog. It's not surprising that he'd be susceptible to it. He'd just be a bit more aware of it happening.

I mean, he was also the guy who coined the terms 'brocialist' and 'brogressive' which refer to someone who's progressive right up until it inconveniences them. If this was a novel, that irony would be too on the nose.

Can you find this one? If you Google anything about Patton and losing, you just get pages about how he lost his wife.

syscall girl
Nov 6, 2009

by FactsAreUseless


Fun Shoe

Pedro De Heredia posted:

Nothing changed about you. He's just very funny.

Very funny people will make you laugh, even if you don't want to. That's what being very funny is.

His tv show was well above par.

The part about not wanting to date a fat girl was interesting because well she spelled it out and he was just like 'huh'

Nevertheless he did something that if you do it on the streets of New Orleans or New York you will be classified as a sexual predator

which is not that funny

chitoryu12
Apr 23, 2014



syscall girl posted:

His tv show was well above par.

The part about not wanting to date a fat girl was interesting because well she spelled it out and he was just like 'huh'

Nevertheless he did something that if you do it on the streets of New Orleans or New York you will be classified as a sexual predator

which is not that funny

Also that episode where he literally tries to rape someone and gets insulted because he's too bad at raping for it to count as rape. Hilarious.

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

Colonel, there's no exposed breasts in these dark souls


That scene was written by the women in the scene, Pamela Adlon, his best friend, writing partner, and co-producer (also the voice of Bobby Hill).

syscall girl
Nov 6, 2009

by FactsAreUseless


Fun Shoe


Yeah and the one where he gets raped in that lady's truck.

Show's problematic but that's fiction.

The reality though is as I said pretty loving bad

Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010



Pamela Adlon's show is terrific and the worst part of this whole scandal, apart from the actual victims of course, is that her show seems to have been derailed and it's not clear when it's coming back. Fuckin sucks.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

how few people do you
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change the world?


Bust Rodd posted:

That scene was written by the women in the scene, Pamela Adlon, his best friend, writing partner, and co-producer (also the voice of Bobby Hill).

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. It's okay because it was written by a woman?

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

Colonel, there's no exposed breasts in these dark souls

Yes, actually I’m saying if an actress wants to write a scene where she gets raped by her friend, it’s perfectly fine for her to do that. Using it as an example of how gross Louis is seems weird, since the scene was her idea, and her creation, and executed to her vision.

You are out of your goddam mind if you don’t think Pamela knew every scrap and tittle of Louis CK’s deviancy, they’ve been working together almost as long as he and Silverman.

syscall girl
Nov 6, 2009

by FactsAreUseless


Fun Shoe

I'm just going to try to reiterate Louis CK is a scumbag and a monster

The show he did was great and his stand up act about white privilege was really honest

I do not support his return to public life or w/e

He should be held accountable

it was a drat good show though

Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010



Rhyno posted:

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. It's okay because it was written by a woman?
I'm not OP but here's me saying: A slightly gross attempted rape scene is more okay when it's written by a female writer with a record of thoughtful, feminist works than when it's written by a male sexual predator

Is this supposed to be controversial?

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

how few people do you
need before you can
change the world?


I don't think it's okay because yeah, she knew he was a piece of poo poo and she still chose to work on that with him. It's not controversial, it's gross and wrong.

syscall girl
Nov 6, 2009

by FactsAreUseless


Fun Shoe

Can we switch gears to maybe actually huge monsters like Woody Allen or something?

Luc Besson

literal predators instead of sad dick wagglers (who need time inside, no joke)

chitoryu12
Apr 23, 2014



Rhyno posted:

I don't think it's okay because yeah, she knew he was a piece of poo poo and she still chose to work on that with him. It's not controversial, it's gross and wrong.

Maybe writing herself as his rape victim was a way of outing him or mocking him? I dunno. Writing in a rape scene for yourself is creepy and weird as hell.

syscall girl
Nov 6, 2009

by FactsAreUseless


Fun Shoe

chitoryu12 posted:

Maybe writing herself as his rape victim was a way of outing him or mocking him? I dunno. Writing in a rape scene for yourself is creepy and weird as hell.

This describes most of Louis CK's body of work but it seemed like a commentary rather than a biography, until it wasn't.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



Between The Haunting Of Sharon Tate, and Once Upon A Time In Hollywood I wonder if we’re going to have to endure some dumbass “reexamination” of Polanski through the lens of Tate’s death being reintroduced to the public consciousness.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


syscall girl posted:

Can we switch gears to maybe actually huge monsters like Woody Allen or something?

Luc Besson

literal predators instead of sad dick wagglers (who need time inside, no joke)

People like Louis CK are also sexual predators and should be considered within the scope of the thread.

There is a lot to say about Allen, though. I can't remember if this article was posted here or not: https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a27233/dylan-farrow-woody-allen-movies/

Stephen Marche posted:

But with Woody Allen, such a separation [between art and artist] is impossible, because his movies are so thoroughly about himself, and about his own condition, and, as it turns out, the moral universe in which he exists—one in which there is no expectation of justice.
...
But it's not just Hollywood. It's the rest of us, too. What about those of us who are Woody Allen's fans? What the hell have we been watching all this time?

Then there's this rather disturbing quote from a People Magazine piece on Allen from 1976: https://people.com/archive/cover-story-angst-ridden-humorist-vol-6-no-14/

Woody Allen posted:

I’m open-minded about sex. I’m not above reproach; if anything, I’m below reproach. I mean, if I was caught in a love nest with 15 12-year-old girls tomorrow, people would think, yeah, I always knew that about him. [Pause.] Nothing I could come up with would surprise anyone. I admit to it all.

Sodomy Hussein
Oct 9, 2005



Louis CK was actually one of my favorite comedians ever before all this poo poo became publicized and he became a giant loving reactionary baby about it. He sucks and it won't be the first time I have to give up on a performer or show I really liked (Bill Cosby: Himself is one of my favorite standup shows). :shrug: Life goes on. You don't get a pass because you are a great writer or performer.

I should probably give up on performers who are scientology cultists as well, as some of them like Tom Cruise are very powerful within that organization and likely have done stuff as bad or worse that will never become public because they're ten times as powerful as either of those comedians.

syscall girl
Nov 6, 2009

by FactsAreUseless


Fun Shoe

Sodomy Hussein posted:

Louis CK was actually one of my favorite comedians ever before all this poo poo became publicized and he became a giant loving reactionary baby about it. He sucks and it won't be the first time I have to give up on a performer or show I really liked (Bill Cosby: Himself is one of my favorite standup shows). :shrug: Life goes on. You don't get a pass because you are a great writer or performer.

I should probably give up on performers who are scientology cultists as well, as some of them like Tom Cruise are very powerful within that organization and likely have done stuff as bad or worse that will never become public because they're ten times as powerful as either of those comedians.

This is basically my take as well.

Kill your heroes

full stop

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013



Hell no my heroes are great

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



CelticPredator posted:

Hell no my heroes are great

Yeah but how many times do you think Batman has aggressively jerked off in front of Robin

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013



I dunno, but Sam Raimi is a saint.

syscall girl
Nov 6, 2009

by FactsAreUseless


Fun Shoe

CelticPredator posted:

Hell no my heroes are great

Mine are crap

but ^^^^^

Bruce Campbell

and idk Sigourney Weaver

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013



Both great choices.

MrFlibble
Nov 28, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS


Fallen Rib

Keanu Reeves is apparently a saint. George Carlin was hilarious.

And gently caress it, Alex Winter was Bill and he gets a spot just for that.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

how few people do you
need before you can
change the world?


I'd probably be really upset if Keanu was a bad person. He's been through absolute hell and is still such a good dude.


Is Sam Jackson a good dude?

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013



No he’s a bad mother fucker

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back






Keanu is too Canadian to be bad imo

syscall girl
Nov 6, 2009

by FactsAreUseless


Fun Shoe

MrFlibble posted:

Keanu Reeves is apparently a saint. George Carlin was hilarious.

And gently caress it, Alex Winter was Bill and he gets a spot just for that.

George Carlin was hilarious and probably not a candidate for #metoo

however, go back and watch his old rants

they don't hold much water

except if you're against the gubmint which in his prime was pretty evil

and afaik hasn't gotten a lot better

also women drivers or something

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011






CelticPredator posted:

I dunno, but Sam Raimi is a saint.

I'm pretty sure Bruce Campbell disagrees with that.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

how few people do you
need before you can
change the world?


Alhazred posted:

I'm pretty sure Bruce Campbell disagrees with that.

Wait WHAT?

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syscall girl
Nov 6, 2009

by FactsAreUseless


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Even Bill HIcks is kind of a bore

tangentially ofc Maynard James Keenan, most likely a predator

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