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thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe


...jesus.

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Brazilianpeanutwar
Aug 27, 2015

Spent my walletfull, on a jpeg, desolate, will croberts make a whale of me yet?


Fart City posted:

did R Kelly just load a t-shirt cannon with molestation videos and fire it into the sky

poo poo you just made me snort like a pig.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


People just kind of looked the other way on R Kelly, that's the truth of it. People knew what he did, they knew why he was in court and it would just be something you remind someone of every now and then but forget about it when 'Ignition' comes on.

There's one journalist at the Chicago Sun Times who has written about R Kelly since 2000, that's how long this poo poo has been going on.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back






Hell people basically took R Kelly being a known loving creep and turned it into a huge joke. I imagine it skews how seriously people take his case, when most of the time people prob only think of R Kelly when Ignition comes on or Trapped in the Closet is brought up, or someone is making a piss joke.

twerking on the railroad
Jun 23, 2007

Get on my level


kaworu posted:

...

I know it's upsetting to hear but it seems almost certain to me that Jackson would have molested one or both of his sons. These were boys that he had unrestricted access to, and may or may not have been actually related to. The (possibly vast) majority of child sexual abuse takes place within families for this very reason - because of access more than anything else. The people who do it are sick and vile scum and it's difficult not to feel tremendous anger about it... But it's a truth.

...

This is a really weird post.

The reason celebrities get away with stuff like this is because people read about them in a few magazines, hear them talk, see them on TV and think they know them. People think "Oh, that person is so sweet they'd never do that." I sincerely doubt anyone on these forums knew Michael Jackson well enough to say it's "almost certain" that he molested one of both of his sons.

And to speculate about a child molestation that hasn't been accused is super weird. It was weird to have people speculating about Macauley Culkin too.

MeinPanzer
Dec 19, 2004
anyone who reads Cinema Discusso for anything more than slackjawed trolling will see the shittiness in my posts

twerking on the railroad posted:

This is a really weird post.

The reason celebrities get away with stuff like this is because people read about them in a few magazines, hear them talk, see them on TV and think they know them. People think "Oh, that person is so sweet they'd never do that." I sincerely doubt anyone on these forums knew Michael Jackson well enough to say it's "almost certain" that he molested one of both of his sons.

And to speculate about a child molestation that hasn't been accused is super weird. It was weird to have people speculating about Macauley Culkin too.

Have you watched Leaving Neverland? I thought the same thing about MJ’s kids after watching it, to be honest.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised




Sexual predators can often be very picky, which may or may not pass for discretion.

Jimmy Saville seems to be an exception among them given he was apparently very indiscriminate, among other things...

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



Well, Saville was unique even amongst others in the same category of predator. I imagine as time goes on, he will become quite the casefile for deviant behavior in general.

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

Colonel, there's no exposed breasts in these dark souls

I think we’re probably at the point now where we have to differentiate from Run of the Mill predators like the Stanford Dumpster rapist, Brock Turner, and the Super-Predators like Epstein, R. Kelly, etc.

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."




The sad fact of the matter is that R. Kelly's star simply faded to a point where his accusers could be taken seriously. Cosby, Spacey, Weinstein, all these men were only taken down at the descending slope of their fame where the industry would no longer stand up to protect them.

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

Colonel, there's no exposed breasts in these dark souls

I mean Kevin Spacey was in the biggest movie of the year (Baby Driver) when all that stuff hit and House of Cards was still Netflix’s biggest original drama after OitNB.

There’s scuttlebutt that Spacey had finally crossed a hithertoo unknown line in the same that forced bigger ups to pull support from him.

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004



twerking on the railroad posted:

This is a really weird post.

The reason celebrities get away with stuff like this is because people read about them in a few magazines, hear them talk, see them on TV and think they know them. People think "Oh, that person is so sweet they'd never do that." I sincerely doubt anyone on these forums knew Michael Jackson well enough to say it's "almost certain" that he molested one of both of his sons.

And to speculate about a child molestation that hasn't been accused is super weird. It was weird to have people speculating about Macauley Culkin too.

I'm kinda weird, to be honest. But I don't think it's a weird concern to make after watching Leaving Neverland (and taking another quick look at parts of the Bashir Program from 2003). It's all very unnerving, and very disturbing.

And you know, the sad and disturbing truth is that this poo poo runs in families, and it is so often a generational thing. All those Jackson kids grew up with a downright evil son-of-a-bitch, meaning Joseph Jackson. Something a lot of people are not aware of is the extent to which Joseph Jackson abused and terrorized his family. The scariest thing was that he supposedly stopped being attracted to his wife at some point in her 30s, he felt she was overweight and no longer attractive. At this point he just switched to sleeping with his eldest daughter, Rebbie, was was something like 12 or 13 at the time? Apparently Katherine knew and was simply jealous about it. He did that until she ran away from home at 16 and got married as soon as she turned 18 (Joseph was against the marriage). After she left, he switched to regularly raping La Toya, instead.

I know this all sounds extreme but really, it's all out there - you can find interviews from La Toya from as long ago as 1993 about this, which is frankly pretty shocking. Apparently Rebbie talked about it in a book she wrote, but I suppose it just never garnered enough attention? I don't know. Joseph Jackson was, by all accounts from his family, an absolute loving scumbag so none of it really shocks me.

Abuse like this runs in families, and that's just a sad truth of how we process trauma. If someone is relentlessly bullied and mistreated as a child by the person who is supposed to love and care for them, it's not uncommon for that person to later take on the role of abuser. I'm not going to sit here and be an armchair psychologist for Michael Jackson specifically here, I mean, this applies to everyone who grows up in an abusive home, more or less. And everyone reacts differently, but there ARE certain well accepted ideas and concepts about how and why abuse cycles down through the generations.

I really just feel concern for his kids because that's just... the way abuse works. If Michael Jackson did abuse these children, knowingly and with grooming/coercion, then it seems to me that he would have no compunctions about treating his own children any differently. This is almost always true when it comes to abusive men - if they have their own families, then you can more or less count on the fact that some pattern of abuse was meted out to them. I'm not saying he would have been intentionally cruel to them, but... well, he was a heavy drug addict with a pattern of abuse, and three children he "was utterly devoted to" later in life. I could be totally wrong - he could have been a truly fantastic, gentle, kind parent in spite of all of this. The odds just don't favor it.

chitoryu12
Apr 23, 2014



Bust Rodd posted:

I mean Kevin Spacey was in the biggest movie of the year (Baby Driver) when all that stuff hit and House of Cards was still Netflix’s biggest original drama after OitNB.

There’s scuttlebutt that Spacey had finally crossed a hithertoo unknown line in the same that forced bigger ups to pull support from him.

There's also a possibility that it was made more serious by the first big, public accusation coming from someone who was already a fellow celebrity. Most accusers are people who tangentially worked around these people or ended up being introduced to them at a party, which allows for the predator's defenders to dismiss them as seeking fame and money by making false accusations. Anthony Rapp is still a public figure with a prominent role on Star Trek: Discovery and very famous run as the original Mark in Rent and its film adaptation. Making a false accusation against someone as wealthy and powerful as Kevin Spacey when you're equally reliant on your public image to continue getting work is an incredibly dangerous game, which means that Rapp making the accusation has to be taken seriously.

Meanwhile, Bryan Singer is still in the aforementioned stage of having his accusations coming from bit players/extras, crew members, and other people who are easy for the industry to dismiss if they can't get their cases through the justice system. I think if an accusation came out from someone of equal prominence as Anthony Rapp, things might start seriously shifting.

chitoryu12 fucked around with this message at 14:24 on Mar 12, 2019

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010



kaworu posted:

I'm kinda weird, to be honest. But I don't think it's a weird concern to make after watching Leaving Neverland (and taking another quick look at parts of the Bashir Program from 2003). It's all very unnerving, and very disturbing.

And you know, the sad and disturbing truth is that this poo poo runs in families, and it is so often a generational thing. All those Jackson kids grew up with a downright evil son-of-a-bitch, meaning Joseph Jackson. Something a lot of people are not aware of is the extent to which Joseph Jackson abused and terrorized his family. The scariest thing was that he supposedly stopped being attracted to his wife at some point in her 30s, he felt she was overweight and no longer attractive. At this point he just switched to sleeping with his eldest daughter, Rebbie, was was something like 12 or 13 at the time? Apparently Katherine knew and was simply jealous about it. He did that until she ran away from home at 16 and got married as soon as she turned 18 (Joseph was against the marriage). After she left, he switched to regularly raping La Toya, instead.

I know this all sounds extreme but really, it's all out there - you can find interviews from La Toya from as long ago as 1993 about this, which is frankly pretty shocking. Apparently Rebbie talked about it in a book she wrote, but I suppose it just never garnered enough attention? I don't know. Joseph Jackson was, by all accounts from his family, an absolute loving scumbag so none of it really shocks me.

Abuse like this runs in families, and that's just a sad truth of how we process trauma. If someone is relentlessly bullied and mistreated as a child by the person who is supposed to love and care for them, it's not uncommon for that person to later take on the role of abuser. I'm not going to sit here and be an armchair psychologist for Michael Jackson specifically here, I mean, this applies to everyone who grows up in an abusive home, more or less. And everyone reacts differently, but there ARE certain well accepted ideas and concepts about how and why abuse cycles down through the generations.

I really just feel concern for his kids because that's just... the way abuse works. If Michael Jackson did abuse these children, knowingly and with grooming/coercion, then it seems to me that he would have no compunctions about treating his own children any differently. This is almost always true when it comes to abusive men - if they have their own families, then you can more or less count on the fact that some pattern of abuse was meted out to them. I'm not saying he would have been intentionally cruel to them, but... well, he was a heavy drug addict with a pattern of abuse, and three children he "was utterly devoted to" later in life. I could be totally wrong - he could have been a truly fantastic, gentle, kind parent in spite of all of this. The odds just don't favor it.

One thing I don't understand is how nobody has made a doc about Joe, especially now that he's dead.

I was loving horrified when it was announced MJ's kids would be handed to his parents.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


Joe was hosed up beyond belief.

catapede
Jul 1, 2018

Eatin' fish leaves
Gettin' strong

About Spacey: Do we have any other high-profile cases recently where the accused was gay? That probably didn't help Spacey.

I didn't know that poo poo about MJ's dad and his sisters. I knew he was horribly abusive and controlling, but not the rape. Awful.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010



catapede posted:

About Spacey: Do we have any other high-profile cases recently where the accused was gay? That probably didn't help Spacey.

I didn't know that poo poo about MJ's dad and his sisters. I knew he was horribly abusive and controlling, but not the rape. Awful.

Bryan Singer. Victor Alva too, I think.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back






re: Spacey

Rapp isn't overly famous outside of the theatre crowd-- though he does have ST:D now!-- and it wasn't his first time speaking about Spacey trying to gently caress him. imo a big part of Spacey getting got was there already being a conversation happening around Weinstein at the time. If the #MeToo movement hadn't already started spinning up, I'm honestly not sure how Rapp's story would have been taken.

It also doesn't help that Spacey tried to deflect by coming out. If he'd stayed quiet, who knows.

Zogo
Jul 29, 2003



R. Kelly says ex-wife destroyed his name, others stole money
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/r-kelly-jail-over-child-055134990.html

R. Kelly out again
https://t.co/c18gGTKl3O

One wonders if CBS paid R. Kelly for that interview.

Mo’Nique Torches Oprah for Interviewing MiJac Accusers ‘for TV Ratings’
https://www.eurweb.com/2019/03/monique-torches-oprah-for-interviewing-mijac-accusers-for-tv-ratings-watch/

STAC Goat posted:

I both am confused as to how the gently caress an R. Kelly molestation video ended up in some random dude's VHS collection and also in no way questioning that its true.

It sounds like a situation that happened more in the 1980s and 1990s. Back before the myriad of file sharing options on the internet. People used to exchange large collections of VHS tapes with friends etc. and unlabelled/mislabelled porn tapes frequently got thrown in. Rob Lowe's sex tape spread like wildfire on VHS in the late 1980s but there was a lot more than just that.

e.g.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1R12n3-fRE

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible





kaworu posted:

Michael Jackson words

It didn't help that for years the media presented La Toya as the "unbalanced" member of the Jackson family.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.



Yeah, fair. I guess the most logical explanation is that it got traded around and then this guy probably had a friend or family member unload their old tapes on him so he didn't actually know his brother was a weirdo perv with a bad memory of how he labels his porn.

I forced myself to throw out hundreds of VHS and Cassette tapes a few years ago as a mental health exercise so I definitely do remember the concept of tape trading, "here, you want these before I throw them out?", and "where'd this come from?"

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010


Bust Rodd posted:

If you wanna blow your mind as a US citizen try talking to UK folks who’ve got a normalized 16 year old age of consent in 2019. I feel like it’s way more common to just openly date teens as an adult over there, but that’s only anecdotal from the handful of British friends I have.

27 states have an age of consent of 16, including all of New England, so it's not just red states, so why would any American's mind be blown?

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back






AoC is also sixteen in Canada iirc

Coffee And Pie
Nov 4, 2010

"Blah-sum"?
More like "Blawesome"


esperterra posted:

AoC is also sixteen in Canada iirc

How can she be 16 and Canadian when she’s serving as a US Representative?

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back






lmbo

Pirate Jet
May 2, 2010


Time moves slower in Canada because it’s moving faster, duh.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010


Holy crap! KPop apocalypse has arrived!

Big Bang was the biggest male group of the first half of the 10s.
This scandal has been in the news for weeks, but it was unknown how much Seungri was involved in the running of this club. The staff was giving girls roofies and bringing them to back rooms where they'd call up VIPs to come rape them.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/03/12/entertainment/seungri-big-bang-burning-sun-kpop-scandal-intl/index.html

Also this guy just got busted for filming girls without their permision and putting videos online. That's become an epidemic here.

Other bigger stars rumored to be involved here. If one of those girls is really a member of TWICE this country is going to melt down

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/mar/13/k-pop-scandal-widens-as-singer-retires-after-sharing-secretly-filmed-sex-videos

Charlz Guybon fucked around with this message at 09:34 on Mar 13, 2019

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised




It's been practically an open secret or at least popular rumour that the Kpop and/or Jpop scene is a glorified prostitution ring for the rich and powerful for years now, if that blows up, hoo boy.

Drunkboxer
Jun 30, 2007


esperterra posted:

re: Spacey

Rapp isn't overly famous outside of the theatre crowd-- though he does have ST:D now!-- and it wasn't his first time speaking about Spacey trying to gently caress him. imo a big part of Spacey getting got was there already being a conversation happening around Weinstein at the time. If the #MeToo movement hadn't already started spinning up, I'm honestly not sure how Rapp's story would have been taken.

It also doesn't help that Spacey tried to deflect by coming out. If he'd stayed quiet, who knows.

Yeah I had remembered hearing that story from Rapp before this all blew up and I was confused because I guess I had assumed everyone knew about it. Then I couldn't find the old interview I remembered seeing so I assumed I just made it up.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back






Drunkboxer posted:

Yeah I had remembered hearing that story from Rapp before this all blew up and I was confused because I guess I had assumed everyone knew about it. Then I couldn't find the old interview I remembered seeing so I assumed I just made it up.

I could be remembering incorrectly as well, but I could swear he spoke about it in an issue of The Advocate or smth forever ago

Coffee And Pie
Nov 4, 2010

"Blah-sum"?
More like "Blawesome"


Ghost Leviathan posted:

It's been practically an open secret or at least popular rumour that the Kpop and/or Jpop scene is a glorified prostitution ring for the rich and powerful for years now, if that blows up, hoo boy.

I’ve heard the same thing about Instagram in the US and Europe, who knows if that’s true though?

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

Coffee And Pie posted:

I’ve heard the same thing about Instagram in the US and Europe, who knows if that’s true though?

That Instagram is a glorified prostitution ring? How would that work? Like, corporate is running something, or people are using Instagram accounts to advertise?

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"



thrawn527 posted:

That Instagram is a glorified prostitution ring? How would that work? Like, corporate is running something, or people are using Instagram accounts to advertise?

like a lot of instagram models will also "hang out" with rich guys on their yachts for a week in exchange for some significant money.

Coffee And Pie
Nov 4, 2010

"Blah-sum"?
More like "Blawesome"


Yeah that’s what I’ve heard, that’s how people afford to live luxurious lifestyles without doing any more work than posting pictures and occasionally advertising eating disorder aids.

Not related but it seems like the right place to post, has anyone got any idea what’s going on with Johnny Depp and Amber Heard? Something is going on, I heard he might have been abused the whole time. If that’s true, and I’m not saying it is, his sort of descent into alcoholism would be a lot sadder.

Paragon8
Feb 19, 2007



DC Murderverse posted:

like a lot of instagram models will also "hang out" with rich guys on their yachts for a week in exchange for some significant money.

this certainly exists but not to the extent that instagram - an app with a billion users - could be labelled as a prostitution ring.

There's certainly escorts with IG but not every IG model is an escort.

They're far more likely just to be dating finance guys or making their own money with sponcon.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004



catapede posted:

About Spacey: Do we have any other high-profile cases recently where the accused was gay? That probably didn't help Spacey.

I didn't know that poo poo about MJ's dad and his sisters. I knew he was horribly abusive and controlling, but not the rape. Awful.

Also, Jehovah's Witnesses is a terrible cult style religion that has a huge correlation with mental illness, has a history of covering up sexual abuse, and has a large percentage of ex members committing suicide or dying early from drug related deaths...including...Michael Jackson and Prince.

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!


Paragon8 posted:

this certainly exists but not to the extent that instagram - an app with a billion users - could be labelled as a prostitution ring.

There's certainly escorts with IG but not every IG model is an escort.

They're far more likely just to be dating finance guys or making their own money with sponcon.

Yeah, I know it happens, there’s been enough high profile arrests to support that. But if you listen to the sites that talk about it almost every IG Model and Hollywood Starlet takes part.

ALFbrot
Apr 17, 2002


Bust Rodd posted:

I mean Kevin Spacey was in the biggest movie of the year (Baby Driver) when all that stuff hit and House of Cards was still Netflix’s biggest original drama after OitNB.

There’s scuttlebutt that Spacey had finally crossed a hithertoo unknown line in the same that forced bigger ups to pull support from him.

Not to distract from the more meaningful topics ITT, but in what universe was Baby Driver the biggest movie of the year? It wasn't even the biggest movie of the year with "Baby" in the title, by half.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

how few people do you
need before you can
change the world?


ALFbrot posted:

Not to distract from the more meaningful topics ITT, but in what universe was Baby Driver the biggest movie of the year? It wasn't even the biggest movie of the year with "Baby" in the title, by half.

I was gonna say, it was a borderline flop wasn't it?

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Paragon8
Feb 19, 2007



Macdeo Lurjtux posted:

Yeah, I know it happens, there’s been enough high profile arrests to support that. But if you listen to the sites that talk about it almost every IG Model and Hollywood Starlet takes part.

yeah a lot of that stuff you have to take with a grain of salt. i've seen people i know in real life on those sites enough to know that its 90% bullshit targeted at people who want to hate on IG girls.

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