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Professorjuggalo
Oct 22, 2019

by Cyrano4747


pentyne posted:

Are you a child? Then I don't think the words "suck my rear end" aimed at you are grounds to accuse someone of being a pedophile.

Considering I spent so much time in my arguments maintaining that I’m not coming from a Qanon place it offends me to be lumped in with racist reactionary nazis.

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edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Ya like Little Wayne?


Professorjuggalo posted:

Considering he just said I was on a pizzagate crusade and told me to suck his rear end I think the response is warranted


It wasn’t a slam though? You guys are arguing in circles about big mouth and internet porn

Shut the gently caress up, dipshit.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006
I am an autistic asshole that is incapable of understanding anything that isn't face value. Please consider my disability when reading my posts.

Could we calm down and at least agree than having problems or reservations about this film doesn't make you QAnon and defending this film as a piece of art doesn't make you a pedophile? That seems like a reasonable place to start a discussion.

Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

Yay




Phi230 posted:

So then whats the big deal about Big Mouth other than it being edgy. Is there some bad poo poo in it or what. Why are people talking about it

I dunno man, this thread has been heading in a weird direction lately so I've just been kind of skimming it, but if you've seen an episode of South Park or Family Guy or Rick and Morty then you pretty much know what Big Mouth is all about because there isn't anything in it that isn't in any of those other shows.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

I just couldn't look at your old avatar anymore
Fucking nauseating!


Professorjuggalo posted:

everyone in the ‘sexual assault and culture in hollywood’ thread says that you’re a Qanon whacko if you even question the film. Which I’m sure will go well with the actual Qanon whackos when they get told ‘shut up don’t question it’

Professorjuggalo posted:

cross post of myself from that thread before I eat a perma for shitposting back too hard

Running back to cspam and whine about being such a martyr and accuse everyone of slurring your good name because someone said "suck my rear end"

Totally good faith, 100% better discourse.

Professorjuggalo
Oct 22, 2019

by Cyrano4747


pentyne posted:

Running back to cspam and whine about being such a martyr and accuse everyone of slurring your good name because someone said "suck my rear end"

Totally good faith, 100% better discourse.

Coming from the guy following my posts and acting like I wasn’t called a QAnon whacko first. First post was for sure bad faith but the second one was just me trying to cross link one of my drat posts. None of that discredits any of the posts I already made on the topic and you’re acting like me getting mad over getting called a Qanon deserves it.

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006



Starks posted:

This whole discussion and that Mara Wilson thread really just cement my belief that we shouldn’t use children in movies at all. You don’t get to skirt labour laws for “art” when that art is part of a 130 billion dollar industry with a history of abuse.

100%

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

I just couldn't look at your old avatar anymore
Fucking nauseating!


Professorjuggalo posted:

Coming from the guy following my posts and acting like I wasn’t called a QAnon whacko first. First post was for sure bad faith but the second one was just me trying to cross link one of my drat posts. None of that discredits any of the posts I already made on the topic and you’re acting like me getting mad over getting called a Qanon deserves it.

"yes I'm arguing in bad faith but that's only sometimes so it doesn't count"

you ran to another thread to post your "better discourse" for a pat on the back when called out on your bullshit here and your entire defense is "nuh-uh, you're a bad poster"

pentyne fucked around with this message at 05:52 on Sep 13, 2020

Professorjuggalo
Oct 22, 2019

by Cyrano4747


pentyne posted:

"yes I'm arguing in bad faith but that's only sometimes so it doesn't count"

you ran to another thread to post your "better discourse" when called out on your bullshit here and your entire defense is "nuh-uh, you're a bad poster"

??? I made one gloat post after I get called QAnon and now all my serious good faith posts (all before the fact) are bad faith too? Who called me out on my bullshit? nobody said poo poo about my posts (other than weedgokubaby calling me a Qanon I guess) and there’s people saying that kids shouldn’t be in movies

Professorjuggalo fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Sep 13, 2020

mycot
Oct 23, 2014


Hell Gem

Space Cadet Omoly posted:

I dunno man, this thread has been heading in a weird direction lately so I've just been kind of skimming it, but if you've seen an episode of South Park or Family Guy or Rick and Morty then you pretty much know what Big Mouth is all about because there isn't anything in it that isn't in any of those other shows.

It got brought up because Professorjuggalo originally posted a tweet that conflated Big Mouth and Cuties.

pentyne posted:

Running back to cspam and whine about being such a martyr and accuse everyone of slurring your good name because someone said "suck my rear end"

Totally good faith, 100% better discourse.

lmao-ing at the idea of someone having to go to CSPAM to get a better crowd reaction.

VV That was after you edited it. The original post was just the tweet that made the kinda strange "Adults shouldn't make stories about children aimed at adults" take. I think someone mixed up your posts with Bust Rodd's and that's why people are so negative toward you, but I legitimately can't tell if you forgot what you posted where or if this is some galaxy-brain thread manipulation.

mycot fucked around with this message at 07:34 on Sep 13, 2020

Professorjuggalo
Oct 22, 2019

by Cyrano4747


You mean the post where I responded to someone conflating big mouth and cuties and start off the thing with “I also agree that big mouth isn’t comparable to this”. That one?


hard counter posted:

i don't know how it's even controversial to be antagonistic toward cuties

like, you can absolutely make a movie with an anti-rape message, for e.g., but if in order to make that movie you end up actually raping a whole bunch of people perhaps the deluge of criticisms against your movie's content goes above-and-beyond a simple misreading of the surface features of your original message

likewise, you can absolutely make a movie with an anti- child exploitation & sexualization message, but if in order to make that movie you actually exploit and sexualize a whole bunch of children perhaps the deluge of criticisms against your movie goes above-and-beyond a simple misreading of the surface features of your original message and, mayhaps, other formats would've been more appropriate for your visionary message

This was my entire point throughout all my posts. Nothing more nothing less and of course I’m going to get mad if someone calls me a gamergate alt-right neo nazi racist trying to explain it. Y’all just putting words in my mouth now

Professorjuggalo fucked around with this message at 07:26 on Sep 13, 2020

Professorjuggalo
Oct 22, 2019

by Cyrano4747


mycot posted:

VV That was after you edited it. The original post was just the tweet that made the kinda strange "Adults shouldn't make stories about children aimed at adults" take. I think someone mixed up your posts with Bust Rodd's and that's why people are so negative toward you, but I legitimately can't tell if you forgot what you posted where or if this is some galaxy-brain thread manipulation.

I edited that poo poo WAY earlier and didn’t even touch anything on that part. It all flows into the same drat message too. I didn’t forget what I posted anywhere you’re just misreading or not reading things

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Ya like Little Wayne?


Hey Professorjuggalo, I doubt you're a real professor. Also, suck on my butt. Suck on it!

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Strong Convections
May 8, 2008


Blood Nightmaster posted:

... They'd choreograph a routine for the kids with the goal of eventually performing it in front of the parents. And I distinctly remember, at the time, they were learning a routine to the song "Lose Control" by Missy Elliott feat. Ciara.

I remember on one hand, feeling weird about the fact everybody was dancing to something that literally opens up with the lyrics "I've got a cute face, chubby waist / thick legs, in shape / Rump shaking both ways / Make you do a double take", especially since we were all girls between the ages of 11 and 13. but on the other hand I honestly, really legitimately wanted to sign up for the activity because it looked like an absolute blast. I never signed up for it in the end but a year later in high school, I took an actual dance class for a PE credit. I loved learning routines, getting all the steps down, it legitimately felt incredibly freeing to participate in. At the end of the term we did a routine loosely based off of this one from So You Think You Can Dance, and our outfits were basically "wear red/black and a lot of makeup".

The dance you did is play-acting a zombie. Getting little girls to play-act a sexually available adult is a totally different kettle of fish.

I spent years in after school dancing. It's very fun, and great exercise for kids. However there's an adult teaching the steps; I would, now as an adult, feel extremely violated by the teacher if my primary aged dancing was overtly sexual.
I ran around unself-consciously in a leotard for dancing, which was fine for practice, but as an adult, I wonder if there weren't a bunch of creeps in the audience for the end of year performance.

LostRook
Jun 7, 2013


Strong Convections posted:

The dance you did is play-acting a zombie. Getting little girls to play-act a sexually available adult is a totally different kettle of fish.

I spent years in after school dancing. It's very fun, and great exercise for kids. However there's an adult teaching the steps; I would, now as an adult, feel extremely violated by the teacher if my primary aged dancing was overtly sexual.
I ran around unself-consciously in a leotard for dancing, which was fine for practice, but as an adult, I wonder if there weren't a bunch of creeps in the audience for the end of year performance.
That's the kind of what if logic Q homophobes have used to smear Desmond is Amazing, Lactatia and other drag kids.

Segue
May 23, 2007


Emily Ratajkowski wrote a really depressing article about male entitlement and appropriation of her body and images of it.
https://www.thecut.com/article/emily-ratajkowski-owning-my-image-essay.html

It includes a graphic account of an assault by Johnathan Leder who says this while he's photographing her:

quote:

“iCarly,” Jonathan said, smirking as he shot. Only his mouth was visible, the rest of his face eclipsed by his camera. That was the name of the Nickelodeon show I’d been on for two episodes while in high school.

Also an artist who blows up Instagram photos and sells them for tens of thousands of dollars with puerile captions.


quote:

Prince’s comment on that post, included among several others at the bottom of the painting, alludes to an imagined day he has spent with me on the beach: “U told me the truth. U lost the [anchor emoji]. No hurt. No upset. All energy bunny now that it’s sunny,” it reads. I liked the comment he left on this one far better than his comment on the black-and-white study, where he asks, “Were you built in a science lab by teenage boys?”

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser



And despite only signing a contract for the pictures that were going in a magazine article, Leder put out a book full of explicit nude photographs from the shoot. Two books in fact. She could prove she nor her agent signed any consent for the publication of additional photos, Leder just forged one. Lawyers told her the case would be a waste of time because the books were too close to publication and the best she could hope for was a percentage of the sales.

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

Segue posted:

Emily Ratajkowski wrote a really depressing article about male entitlement and appropriation of her body and images of it.
https://www.thecut.com/article/emily-ratajkowski-owning-my-image-essay.html

It includes a graphic account of an assault by Johnathan Leder who says this while he's photographing her:


Also an artist who blows up Instagram photos and sells them for tens of thousands of dollars with puerile captions.

Yikes, that was a rough read. Good for her for outing him as complete sleaze. That can't have been easy to go back through.

Pirate Jet
May 2, 2010


Ratajkowski really is the modern Monroe, she gets unfairly mocked for her occupation but she’s sharp as a tack. She had a great episode on Michael Moore’s podcast Rumble.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

I just couldn't look at your old avatar anymore
Fucking nauseating!


John Wick of Dogs posted:

And despite only signing a contract for the pictures that were going in a magazine article, Leder put out a book full of explicit nude photographs from the shoot. Two books in fact. She could prove she nor her agent signed any consent for the publication of additional photos, Leder just forged one. Lawyers told her the case would be a waste of time because the books were too close to publication and the best she could hope for was a percentage of the sales.

It's really depressing to realize that even at that level there's the the tacit assumption that everyone is acting in good faith, and when they don't getting justice or restitution is a massive uphill battle that only the wealthiest and most powerful can even entertain the idea or fighting.

Someone forges a contract and sells explicit photos of you: Sure you have proof, but he'll just sell it anyways, best you can do is take your cut of the $$$

KitConstantine
Jan 11, 2013

Ask me about women's ~Science~


thrawn527 posted:

Yikes, that was a rough read. Good for her for outing him as complete sleaze. That can't have been easy to go back through.

The photographer who sexually assaulted responded to the article and called her accusations 'childish' (which tells you what he thinks is okay to do to children) and essentially said she had asked for it by doing the Blurred Lines video, just in case you thought he wasn't literally a cartoon villain.

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

KitConstantine posted:

The photographer who sexually assaulted responded to the article and called her accusations 'childish' (which tells you what he thinks is okay to do to children) and essentially said she had asked for it by doing the Blurred Lines video, just in case you thought he wasn't literally a cartoon villain.

That's actually covered in the article. That was his response when the fact checker she worked with reached out to him for comment before publishing the article.

quote:

(When the fact-checker I worked with on this story reached out to Jonathan about what happened that night after the shoot, he said my allegations were “too tawdry and childish to respond to.” He added: “You do know who we are talking about right? This is the girl that was naked in Treats! magazine, and bounced around naked in the Robin Thicke video at that time. You really want someone to believe she was a victim?”)

KitConstantine
Jan 11, 2013

Ask me about women's ~Science~


thrawn527 posted:

That's actually covered in the article. That was his response when the fact checker she worked with reached out to him for comment before publishing the article.

I think I missed that part when I read the article, thanks for pointing it out. It was a tough read for me emotionally so I think I stopped reading as closely by the end.

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

KitConstantine posted:

I think I missed that part when I read the article, thanks for pointing it out. It was a tough read for me emotionally so I think I stopped reading as closely by the end.

Totally understandable.

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible





https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1306656501998776321?s=20

Skwirl
May 13, 2007

The 'blood babe with the silicone chest, 200-dollar haircut, and a closet full of the latest fashions.




'Cheer' star Jerry Harris arrested on charge of production of child pornography

quote:

Jeremiah "Jerry" Harris, one of the students featured in Netflix's breakout docuseries "Cheer," has been arrested on a production of child pornography charge, according to Assistant U.S. Attorney Joseph Fitzpatrick.
...

Harris, 21, is accused of "enticing an underage boy to produce sexually explicit videos and photos of himself," according to a criminal complaint filed in U.S. District Court in Chicago

The minor was 13 at the time, the complaint said.

Waterbed Wendy
Jan 29, 2009



I liked that show and he was a pretty endearing member of the team. Supposedly it all happened when he was a teenager which DOES NOT excuse him from what he did, and I can only hope the 13 y/o has found peace or will soon. Seeing your abuser on screen being portrayed in a positive light must be just terrible.

well why not
Feb 9, 2009





yeah that one is a surprise, he was truly presented as one of the heroes of the show - a lot of the other people on it were kind of darkly intense or under the spell of a cult leader figure. He was just a really positive guy with a sunny disposition. Just goes to show that it's not always shady dudes in trenchcoats.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

I just couldn't look at your old avatar anymore
Fucking nauseating!


well why not posted:

yeah that one is a surprise, he was truly presented as one of the heroes of the show - a lot of the other people on it were kind of darkly intense or under the spell of a cult leader figure. He was just a really positive guy with a sunny disposition. Just goes to show that it's not always shady dudes in trenchcoats.

It's almost never shady dudes in trenchcoats.

It's almost never some creepy drifter who leers at girls outside the malt shop.

It's almost never the skeevy perv who the whole town says is bad news.

Breaking the myth of stranger danger is extremely important in teaching children how to be aware and safe when it comes to inappropriate behavior from adults. The vast majority of the time its someone they've been conditioned to obey and who has the implicit trust of the family and community.

Tons of the stories of child abuse in Hollywood are a result of the kids being left/watched by a trusted person who then abuses them. A doctor, a relative, a person of prestige and privilege with impeccable reputation, etc. Secret pedophiles aren't lurking around set trying to snatch children, duct tape their mouths and then hide it with a mask to traffic them. They're just having children handed over to their care by trusting and unsuspecting parents.

The biggest threat has never been a stranger offering free candy, its the family friend you've been told to listen to and respect doing something abusive and then telling you in anyone finds out they will kill your parents.

pentyne fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Sep 18, 2020

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

I was tired of your red text



welp there's a show I liked ruined for life. I hope his victims can get justice.

Acht
Aug 13, 2012

WORLD'S BEST
E-DAD


pentyne posted:

The biggest threat has never been a stranger offering free candy, its the family friend you've been told to listen to and respect doing something abusive and then telling you in anyone finds out they will kill your parents.

While you are right, the scary part is that it is both.
My wife's grandfather abused her sisters when they were pre-teens, but just recently a car with two strangers drove along the playground at my daughter's (6) school repeatedly trying to lure kids in. We've had those kind of talks with our kids before, but it's really awful going to work every day with that poo poo in your head.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised




Or both at once, like that Alabama politician who was banned from a mall because he'd constantly hit on teenage girls.

Acht
Aug 13, 2012

WORLD'S BEST
E-DAD


Ghost Leviathan posted:

Or both at once, like that Alabama politician who was banned from a mall because he'd constantly hit on teenage girls.

Jesus. :S
Man if you hear that as a father when your daughter comes home...
That can't be the only punishment though, right? Banned from a mall...

B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005




Acht posted:

Jesus. :S
Man if you hear that as a father when your daughter comes home...
That can't be the only punishment though, right? Banned from a mall...

I have some bad news about that guy...

Sodomy Hussein
Oct 9, 2005

Everything is subject to the needs of intelligence, for geniuses like me. If we actually solve problems, people won't need me and people like me, and this is a travesty without end. You have to squeeze the poor so they know their place, and you fucking commies forget that.


That would be Roy Moore I presume, whose scandals catching up to him in 2017 resulted in Alabama electing a Democrat to the Senate for the first time since 1992.

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

Yes everyone respects clowns, that is why we all call people Bozo for doing a good job.

Yeah but didn’t actually land him in any trouble.

Which means enough believed that a 32 year old Roy Moore was cruising for 14 year olds at the mall, but not enough to then takes steps to investigate or try or convict him of his obvious attempts to groom minors.

So weird.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised




A wealthy white conservative man who has any modicum of power is given endless leeway.

Pirate Jet
May 2, 2010


He only barely lost the election, too.

https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/alabama-senate-special-election-roy-moore-doug-jones

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser



Sodomy Hussein posted:

That would be Roy Moore I presume, whose scandals catching up to him in 2017 resulted in Alabama electing a Democrat to the Senate for the first time since 1992.

Note: The Democrat elected in 1992 defected to the republican party in 1993

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Skwirl
May 13, 2007

The 'blood babe with the silicone chest, 200-dollar haircut, and a closet full of the latest fashions.




Bust Rodd posted:

Yeah but didn’t actually land him in any trouble.

Which means enough believed that a 32 year old Roy Moore was cruising for 14 year olds at the mall, but not enough to then takes steps to investigate or try or convict him of his obvious attempts to groom minors.

So weird.

I was in my early thirties when that was in the news, and I just remember trying to picture what my friends and families reactions would be if I showed up to a potluck or game night or something with a 14 year old "date."

He would also call the school and have them pull girls he was interested in out of class so he could talk to them on the phone.

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