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King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

The video arcade made me what I am today!



Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

This thread had to have a mod step in because people were saying a ~30 year old woman was being groomed by her older partner, as I recall.

Somebody save Grimes!

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PT6A
Jan 5, 2006
I am an autistic asshole that is incapable of understanding anything that isn't face value. Please consider my disability when reading my posts.

Bust Rodd posted:

i think it was a 27 year old woman LAura Savoie and 67 year old man Dennis Quaid, or maybe it a different story about how Brad Pitt, a 57 year old man, was dating his 65 year old friend's wife, a 25 year old woman.

There's also the Pussy Posse, and DiCaprio's legendary track record of dumping every woman he dates at roughly the 25 yr mark to scoop up another 22 year old, and he's "only" 46.

Kind of no matter where you fall on Age Gap discourse, it is an immutably entrenched component of what people are talking about when they discuss Sexual Assault and the Culture of Hollywood, and I don't really understand why all this discussion of power dynamics between 22 year old fans and 45 year old streamers doesn't translate over. You don't think that 27 year old woman isn't a 'fan' of Dennis Quaid? You don't find the idea of two 60 year old men passing the 25 year old woman back and forth a little... arresting? That's totally fine if you don't, but it's definitely the sort of thing that i think even 10 years from now we're gonna be looking back like "drat, that's crazy"

For the record, not to be sexist, i personally think it's equally weird when 61 year old Madonna was spotted with her 23 year old boyfriend, one of her back up dancers, I think, but I also think there's something to discuss there about power dynamics. Madonna is one of the most famous women who ever lived... how could anyone be on equal footing as her in any relationship? It's like dating Oprah or Bezos, it is, by current woke definitions, impossible for people that rich and famous to have normal emotional relationships.

But I don't want to start a derail, I'm just saying I don't know how you can have the greater conversation without accepting that this is part of it.

All great examples of relationships that are weird and a bit gross, but not morally or legally wrong. And, yeah, I've been the 18 year old having a relationship with an older woman. It's not something I look back on and say "oh wow that was a great and healthy choice for me, I recommend that to others" but I was not raped or abused by any stretch. It's fairly important to distinguish between things that aren't good, and things that are bad, in my opinion.

sponges
Sep 14, 2011



The only real solution is to eliminate the upper class

Mazerunner
Apr 22, 2010

Good Hunter, what... what is this post?


Macdeo Lurjtux posted:

It worked with Roosterteeth a few months ago, though that was a different scenario. Some dude from an alt right forum tried catfishing a few of the people on the channel posing as a fan and ended up getting correspondence and photos from Ryan Hawley and Adam Kovac. The initial complaint was fake but it gave people that Hawley actually groomed and assaulted the courage to come forward. Something like 9 women came forward with evidence spanning a decade. Kovac was fired too when it came out some of the photos he sent the catfisher were of him jerking off of on co-workers work stations.

minor correction, the predator was Ryan Haywood. There's a different guy named Ryan Hailey, who no allegations have been made about and is still employed at RT.

Anonymous John
Mar 8, 2002



I don't doubt the dude is sleazy., but only showing his DM's and leaving out her part of the conversation is not a good look.

Anonymous John
Mar 8, 2002


Desperado Bones posted:

Yeah, this happens a lot. It's more endemic in Tumblr from what I've been told, although you can catch that short of takes in Twitter as well. If you are an adult dating someone (with their consent) who is an adult but just a few years younger you'll be considered a pedophile groomer and on the same breath they'll infantilize the younger person.

Some have the idea that you have to date someone your exact same age. :psyduck:


That whole deranged Tumblr crowd basically moved to twitter and certain Subreddits. Best to not give them any space to poison the discourse.

I wonder how this whole generation of zoomers is going to be entering adult relationships when they are told all this bullshit about less-than-ideal-but-non-abusive relationship dynamics that don't allow for room to grow.

Anonymous John fucked around with this message at 05:34 on Mar 24, 2021

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

Oh no, I Busted too hard.



Well if the data we have is any indication we’re headed for an utterly historic baby bust. People are loving less than ever and we’re already seeing record high levels of virginity among people who identify as both men and women. A generation of people who grew up online and had to spend 1.5 years inside... eh they’ll be fine!

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006



Bust Rodd posted:

Well if the data we have is any indication we’re headed for an utterly historic baby bust. People are loving less than ever and we’re already seeing record high levels of virginity among people who identify as both men and women. A generation of people who grew up online and had to spend 1.5 years inside... eh they’ll be fine!

And, y'know, can't find a decent job, have the lesser evil President who still doesn't particularly care about young people, and are probably expecting a climate apocalypse that the gerontocracy is all but ignoring.

It's hard to worry about relationships and kids when it looks like there's no hope.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

how few people do you
need before you can
change the world?


Bust Rodd posted:

Well if the data we have is any indication we’re headed for an utterly historic baby bust. People are loving less than ever and we’re already seeing record high levels of virginity among people who identify as both men and women. A generation of people who grew up online and had to spend 1.5 years inside... eh they’ll be fine!

Ah, the Children of Men future.


Glorious.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 17 hours!


sponges posted:

The only real solution is to eliminate the upper class

Jokes about capitalism aside, literally it wouldn't matter. We're all silly apes. If it wasn't money, it's power or skill levels too. There will always be people who have an unfair advantage over others. The sooner we realize that and make sure that those who don't have power at least are treated fairly (or are not punished for not having power) then it's a lot closer to a good system. (housing the unhoused, giving people in abusive relationships a place to go that's safe). But there's literally no such thing as a perfect system, unless the whole point for us as a species to be a virus to jump start destroying the planet as we know it so it can reboot in a few hundred thousand years, in which case the system is working perfectly.

It's the same reason that the whole concept on twitter lately of women pointing out "its not safe for them to walk alone at night with head phones on, and do men understand it and how bad that is?" When I, as a dude with a ton of martial arts/bouncer training, am thinking, "nobody should walk alone at night with head phones on, that's stupid, but yes, they should not be getting catcalled/afraid all the time, yes that's very bad". There is a ton of behavior we can work to change in the culture, and that's a good thing. But you will never ever get rid of all the predators. That's silly.

Removing them from being in positions of power (like in Hollywood). That's doable though. Tough, but possible.

Martman
Nov 20, 2006

SEXY... defines my posts and my ride


LionArcher posted:

Jokes about capitalism aside, literally it wouldn't matter. We're all silly apes. If it wasn't money, it's power or skill levels too. There will always be people who have an unfair advantage over others. The sooner we realize that and make sure that those who don't have power at least are treated fairly (or are not punished for not having power) then it's a lot closer to a good system. (housing the unhoused, giving people in abusive relationships a place to go that's safe). But there's literally no such thing as a perfect system, unless the whole point for us as a species to be a virus to jump start destroying the planet as we know it so it can reboot in a few hundred thousand years, in which case the system is working perfectly.

It's the same reason that the whole concept on twitter lately of women pointing out "its not safe for them to walk alone at night with head phones on, and do men understand it and how bad that is?" When I, as a dude with a ton of martial arts/bouncer training, am thinking, "nobody should walk alone at night with head phones on, that's stupid, but yes, they should not be getting catcalled/afraid all the time, yes that's very bad". There is a ton of behavior we can work to change in the culture, and that's a good thing. But you will never ever get rid of all the predators. That's silly.
Bad take, guillotine for you too

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

Oh no, I Busted too hard.



LionArcher posted:

Jokes about capitalism aside, literally it wouldn't matter. We're all silly apes. If it wasn't money, it's power or skill levels too. There will always be people who have an unfair advantage over others. The sooner we realize that and make sure that those who don't have power at least are treated fairly (or are not punished for not having power) then it's a lot closer to a good system. (housing the unhoused, giving people in abusive relationships a place to go that's safe). But there's literally no such thing as a perfect system, unless the whole point for us as a species to be a virus to jump start destroying the planet as we know it so it can reboot in a few hundred thousand years, in which case the system is working perfectly.

It's the same reason that the whole concept on twitter lately of women pointing out "its not safe for them to walk alone at night with head phones on, and do men understand it and how bad that is?" When I, as a dude with a ton of martial arts/bouncer training, am thinking, "nobody should walk alone at night with head phones on, that's stupid, but yes, they should not be getting catcalled/afraid all the time, yes that's very bad". There is a ton of behavior we can work to change in the culture, and that's a good thing. But you will never ever get rid of all the predators. That's silly.

Removing them from being in positions of power (like in Hollywood). That's doable though. Tough, but possible.

Actually I think if we started educating men at much younger ages about respecting women and learning to manage their feelings of inadequacy and emotional isolation internally instead of using women as tokens of status to feel better about themselves then we would go a long towards curbing sexual violence against women by men, and the idea that there will always by violent super-predators walking around no matter what we do to society is what boomers say RIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT before they shrug and go “eh what can you do?”

Also I don’t know if this ever came up in the thread but I just watched the Snyder cut last night, it was my first DCEU experience and I had a nice time watching it in 3 sittings... and then when I finished I was like “ok Flash was kind of annoying but had cool powers, what else is that actor in?” and the quirky and cute Ezra Miller (Flash) appears to have choked out a woman outside of bar in Iceland last summer. There’s a 7 second clip of them grabbing her by the throat and throwing her on the ground... wtf! Theyre barely 21 years old and already a total shithead!

E:corrected pronouns

Bust Rodd fucked around with this message at 11:45 on Mar 25, 2021

Fair Bear Maiden
Jun 17, 2013


Ezra Miller is a total shithead and I'm mystified by the fact that they haven't paid any consequences whatsoever for their assault, but they are nonbinary and use they/them pronouns.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.


Bust Rodd posted:

Actually I think if we started educating men at much younger ages about respecting women and learning to manage their feelings of inadequacy and emotional isolation internally instead of using women as tokens of status to feel better about themselves then we would go a long towards curbing sexual violence against women by men, and the idea that there will always by violent super-predators walking around no matter what we do to society is what boomers say RIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT before they shrug and go “eh what can you do?”

Trying to rebuild society from the current system we have that's made to turn boys into monsters by default is a whole 'nother kettle of worms.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang


They were obviously going for cute, but I thought Flash's intro action sequence came across as quite creepy. Less creepy than the Whedon version 'joke' of him landing on Wonder Woman, but still weird.

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
🍀👽🆚🪖🏋



Ezra was like in their late 20’s when they did that.

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser




It's very weird because there's never been any for up to the video. No account from the witnesses or the victim. No publicly known lawsuit, no pr statement, no denial or confirmation. I don't know if a single entertainment paper has ever followed up on it. Just a random video that appeared on Twitter that we've all seen but basically went by without incident.

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

Oh no, I Busted too hard.



Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

They were obviously going for cute, but I thought Flash's intro action sequence came across as quite creepy. Less creepy than the Whedon version 'joke' of him landing on Wonder Woman, but still weird.

No I was taking notes for a project and I circled CREEPY FACE TOUCHING!? like 15 times

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
🍀👽🆚🪖🏋



John Wick of Dogs posted:

It's very weird because there's never been any for up to the video. No account from the witnesses or the victim. No publicly known lawsuit, no pr statement, no denial or confirmation. I don't know if a single entertainment paper has ever followed up on it. Just a random video that appeared on Twitter that we've all seen but basically went by without incident.

I see it brought up a lot post JL, like everyone forgot which maybe they did but idk. The whole video is weird because the person getting grabbed is smiling the entire time. And apparently it was this lady was being real grabby and fan girling out and touching Ezra?

It has a lot of weird parts too it.

I just don’t have enough to even begin to have an opinion of any kind.

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000



I remember that someone tracked down the bar owner and he confirmed that it happened and they kicked Ezra out and banned them from the bar but that was it. There didn't seem to be any follow up after that.

I remember seeing a few posts about it when it first happened on Reddit and they were all taken down pretty quickly until people started complaining but the posts all just died out.

Desperado Bones
Aug 29, 2009

Cute, adorable, and creepy at the same time!




CelticPredator posted:

I see it brought up a lot post JL, like everyone forgot which maybe they did but idk. The whole video is weird because the person getting grabbed is smiling the entire time. And apparently it was this lady was being real grabby and fan girling out and touching Ezra?

It has a lot of weird parts too it.

I just don’t have enough to even begin to have an opinion of any kind.

I think the story is that she was indeed fangirling and posing for a photo/video, doing a "Do as you are fighting me!" but Ezra was too drunk that they simply did it for real. Not even sure, I remember that was a rumor that was mentioned.

Which is NOT an excuse for what they did.

There's only rumors left around this.

Alan Smithee
Jan 3, 2005
free av


it definitely got less play than Emile Hirsch though the woman he did it too had clout (not enough clout to get him removed from a Tarantino movie but if anything that probably impressed Tarantino)

davidbix
Jun 14, 2016

Wow, Bix. First K.Rool, then Steve and now SEPHIROTH? Your dream game is real!


Has anyone else here listened to the Traci Lords docupodcast, Once Upon a Time in The Valley, that came out last year? I discovered it a few weeks ago and then binged it.

I was familiar with the broad strokes, but the creators found some new stuff, and if nothing else, it's a very weird and often difficult story to reckon with in 2020-2021. The podcast definitely has some issues with tone, if nothing else, though I still enjoyed it and would recommend it. But it's also not surprising that the tone is tricky when the story is basically:

* 15 year old girl Nora Kuzma gets a fraudulent but genuine (as in actually issued to her by California and later used to get her a passport) ID showing her age as 21 when an acquaintance, Kristi Nussman, lets her borrow her birth certificate to do it. (She actually had permission, but yes, identity theft and other forms of fraud were stupidly easy even as late as ther '80s.) She's not exactly a runaway as she's still going to school.
* The acquaintance knew that it was so Nora could get a job, but not that Nora was using it to do porn under the stage name Traci Lords, shooting for Penthouse—centerfold in the initial Vanessa Williams issue, oddly enough—and other magazines while still 15 and doing hardcore videos after turning 16. She almost immediately becomes the biggest star in porn, and by all accounts, nobody has any clue that she's underage.
* She forms her own production company with her boyfriend, giving her ownership of her subsequent videos. Within a few days of returning the first shoot she did since turning 18, the FBI comes calling and breaks down her door. With the industry reeling and potentially full of people who genuinely had no idea but are facing potential serious criminal charges, everyone in porn looks at the timeline and concludes that she told on herself.
* The circumstances allow her to transition to being a working actor in mainstream television and film, albeit mainly as a genre actress.
* As she gives more interviews as time goes on and eventually publishes a book 17 years after the fact, she avoids giving much detail about her time in porn by claiming she was in a drug-induced haze the whole time, which nobody corroborates, while also spinning the specific stories she's willing to share into other things that nobody corroborates (like her first shoot being a director secretly filming her when she and a co-star hooked up on the set—literally, or her agent giving her cocaine when they first met when he was famously anti-drug). I don't believe that she's ever accused anyone in porn of knowing she was underage, though.
* It doesn't seem like anyone disputes her claims of sexual abuse pre-porn, and it seems obvious that someone who did what she did would have gone through something like that.

It's weedy and feels like disbelieving a victim if you believe the porn industry side, even if what you're disbelieving is just the stuff that seems designed to frame them as knowingly victimizing her when it seems more likely that it was mostly the unknowing victimization of including this underage girl in the porn industry than anything involving completely non-consensual porn. And it also feels lovely to mostly believe the side of an industry as exploitative as porn, even if their side of the Traci Lords saga has always come off as more credible about the things that are in dispute.

So there's enough good information in the podcast that I recommend it, even if the tone and framing can be off-putting to inappropriate at times. But I really don't know what the best way to talk about this topic is? It's a fascinating story, but it feels incredibly difficult to parse in terms of how we look at things now. The best overall takeaway I can think of is that at the end of the day, no matter how much she had fooled people, she was still a traumatized kid, so getting to a point where she felt she needed a life raft is entirely excusable. As is the idea that she would have lied about her time in porn because she felt being underage wouldn't be enough to "excuse" it in the eyes of the public and that she needed to portray the people she crossed paths with in porn as more predatory to her than they may have actually been in reality. But I'm not sure I can blame the porn people for hating her over the book and whatnot, either.

Random side note: After finishing the podcast, I was searching Newspapers.com for "Traci Lords" to find contemporaneous coverage of the revelation that she had been in porn as a minor and see if her name came up for any reason before then. Aside from ads for adult theaters and video stores, which were significantly more common in mainstream newspapers across the country than I think most people realize, her name came up in TV listings in newspapers that carried listings for The Playboy Channel (now Playboy TV), which, contrary to Playboy Magazine's approach, showed hardcore porn. So on top of the San Fernando Valley porn industry, Hugh Hefner could have easily gotten caught up in the fallout, as well.

Sodomy Hussein
Oct 9, 2005



Probably the only thing notable about Traci Lords doing underage porn is that anyone noticed or presumably cared. Ostensibly there was a little more organization to the porn industry than there is today in the age of Pornhub (none at all), but it's always been an industry that gets by on people looking the other way.

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

Oh no, I Busted too hard.



Yeah talent is dropping out of that industry atm like you wouldn’t believe. Big names like Lana Rhoades and Violet Myers are following in Mia Khalifa’s footsteps, and keep giving the same interviews over and over. “Why am I shooting porn, getting paid $1,200 to let two men do whatever they want to me on camera, while others are making literally 50x that amount for just, like, reviewing anime or doing sexy lingerie ASMR streams?”

It’s also weird because, as a response to #MeToo, the greater porn industry has become a mishmash of tightly knit conservative chuds. Younger liberal women don’t wanna work with CHUDs like Karma RX or people like James Dean with horrible abusive track records, so you’re seeing kind of a mainstream porn split and, if I’m being honest, the greatest rate of turnover in actresses I have ever seen. Women today are getting into and out of porn at record numbers, because honestly there’s no money in it for models and actresses anymore, so unless you wanna try to climb the corporate porn ladder and become a producer (which involves, among other things, basically never saying no or ever having any agency in what you shoot or with who), it’s just easier/safer to try it out, cash a couple checks, and use that to take your fan base of loyal lonely masturbators and have them follow you to Twitch or YouTube as you start your real career of unboxing videos or whatever.

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe



Bust Rodd posted:

Yeah talent is dropping out of that industry atm like you wouldn’t believe. Big names like Lana Rhoades and Violet Myers are following in Mia Khalifa’s footsteps, and keep giving the same interviews over and over. “Why am I shooting porn, getting paid $1,200 to let two men do whatever they want to me on camera, while others are making literally 50x that amount for just, like, reviewing anime or doing sexy lingerie ASMR streams?”

It’s also weird because, as a response to #MeToo, the greater porn industry has become a mishmash of tightly knit conservative chuds. Younger liberal women don’t wanna work with CHUDs like Karma RX or people like James Dean with horrible abusive track records, so you’re seeing kind of a mainstream porn split and, if I’m being honest, the greatest rate of turnover in actresses I have ever seen. Women today are getting into and out of porn at record numbers, because honestly there’s no money in it for models and actresses anymore, so unless you wanna try to climb the corporate porn ladder and become a producer (which involves, among other things, basically never saying no or ever having any agency in what you shoot or with who), it’s just easier/safer to try it out, cash a couple checks, and use that to take your fan base of loyal lonely masturbators and have them follow you to Twitch or YouTube as you start your real career of unboxing videos or whatever.

Granted I know basically nothing about the porn industry (outside of those old "ask a porn producer" threads that...Darkpriest, I think? ran years ago), but I've always assumed being a producer would give you more agency, since you'd be the ones booking the talent, setting the shoots, etc. Is that wrong? Or did you mean the process of gaining enough clout to become a producer in the first place?

Also, just curious, do you have experience in the industry? Or just notice trends? If you don't want to answer, that's totally fine.

Everything else you said about how the industry is dying makes sense. I don't know how it would survive the current way things are going.

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

Oh no, I Busted too hard.



thrawn527 posted:

Or did you mean the process of gaining enough clout to become a producer in the first place?

Yeah, this. Corporate pornography studios these days are exactly the same as other media conglomerates. There’s like 150+ studios worldwide owned by like 25 guys that I would consider big, like big enough for a trade show booth or a spot at the AVA in Vegas or whatever. For an actress to go from 18 and acting to featuring/starring to directing to producing generally takes longer than anyone even stays acting anymore. If you’re not rich enough to buy into porn production, your best bet is to get your 3 hottest friends together and shoot and hope one or two of you are hot enough to get scouted by a bigger agency and at least that way you might get to shoot in exotic hotels instead of renovated warehouses in industrial parks.

I just love sex work and sex workers have been some of my closest friends and partners. I shot a couple movies with friends in my 20s and directed a couple of short videos for friends to try and get them off the ground, but honestly every single person I know just went into camming and onlyfans model sites because A) if you don’t live in LA/NYC/Philly/Chicago/Dallas then you basically have to relocate or fly every week and B) the porn industry is unfortunately just the absolute worst environment in the world for young women to be in. It’s a job where you could be in the middle of a scene, surrounded by people/strangers, and suddenly it transitions from being at work to being sexually assaulted and you might not even be able to stop it from happening depending on who/what/where it’s happening and the whole thing is being filmed. There’s no safety net, no resources, the only therapists who really understand are former SW themselves. The only women I know that have a future in corporate porn are essentially, uh, pets? Favorites handpicked by directors or producers they like... but these almost always end up being weird grooming scenarios where you promise an actress a big career (you’ll be the next Mia Kalifa!*) which is probably true!

(Mia Khalifa is one of the biggest and most beloved porn stars of all time, she only shot 12 or so scenes in her entire career, and made less than $10,000 for all of it. She’s exiled from her country of origin, disowned by her family, and couldn’t get a job for like 3 years because, uh, have you ever tried to go through a job interview where the boss has obviously masturbated to you before?)

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.


Something to be said for hentai and furry porn when you look at the alternatives.

Lumbermouth
Mar 6, 2008

GREG IS BIG NOW




Also darkpriest ended up being a loving creep at minimum and maybe complicit in suicide at the worst? There’s a whole podcast about it: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-last-days-of-august/id1258779354

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe



Lumbermouth posted:

Also darkpriest ended up being a loving creep at minimum and maybe complicit in suicide at the worst? There’s a whole podcast about it: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-last-days-of-august/id1258779354

Wait, what happened? I'll give the podcast a listen at some point, but is there a summary I can read in the mean time? The description of the podcast is pretty vague. This is August Ames, right? (edit: I mean related to darkpriest specifically. I know about Ames suicide, and the couple days events that lead up to it.)

I haven't thought about darkpriest in years, since my post above, honestly.

thrawn527 fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Mar 26, 2021

Kaiser Mazoku
Mar 24, 2011

Didn't you see it!? Couldn't you see my "spirit"!?

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Something to be said for hentai and furry porn when you look at the alternatives.

Yeah, can't say I blame people for striking out on their own rather than deal with 80 year old sleazebags.

Sodomy Hussein
Oct 9, 2005



Worth noting that Pornhub and its various sister sites (it is now a vast and largely unaccountable empire) is built on stolen material that destroyed the porn industry and with it whatever loose controls there were on content, and no one cares because it's porn. As Bust Rodd points out there's no actual money in doing porn at this point, because the cost of entry is $0 for all involved.

Meanwhile, everyone watches porn and doing even one video is a scarlet letter; if you attempt to get a "real" job someone will eventually recognize you and you will lose that job. I would recommend The Butterfly Effect for more about this phenomenon, which among many other things also gets into people doing special order porn-by-request as a stopgap for people with extremely specific fetishes, like filming women crushing a stamp collection. This was four years ago so I imagine the market even on that sort of thing has dropped out.

Alan Smithee
Jan 3, 2005
free av


Lumbermouth posted:

Also darkpriest ended up being a loving creep at minimum and maybe complicit in suicide at the worst? There’s a whole podcast about it: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-last-days-of-august/id1258779354

Dude never paid my friend back for chicken wings

Parakeet vs. Phone
Nov 6, 2009


On top of that, PornHub getting blacklisted by the credit card companies has also apparently been horrific for the independent models trying to hang on. Their pay-per-video site, ModelHub, was apparently way more popular than I would have guessed. Porn model twitter has all pretty much said that ModelHub basically being down cut their income in half. The loyal audience of people paying to watch a lady pop balloons or eat gummy bears can't pay for it through PornHub anymore and apparently just gave up rather than follow them anywhere else.

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 17 hours!


In general, it seems like sex workers are still a group that is treated like poo poo by most major groups/the mainstream. Conservative churches have really pushed the (all sex work including porn) is from human trafficking thing of the children and it's a sin, and a ton of very liberal folks I know also push the human trafficking and or "porn isn't feminist". The sex workers I know (and I'm friends with a few) all have mixed feelings about the various industries (escorting porn dancing webcamming). But all think it should be legalized and regulated.

I'm personally involved only in the sense that one of my income streams is writing romance, and I've seen first hand how much people make fun of it and then consume a great deal of it.

Acerbatus
Jun 26, 2020

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS


Bust Rodd posted:

The way he casually implicated/threatenes the ROYAL FAMILY in one of them was truly one of the most insane things I e ever seen in my life. It’s enough to make anyone a conspiracy nut

Wait, what? I completely missed that.

Blood Nightmaster posted:

I suppose what makes the Dan controversy even more insidious is that despite being in his 40s nothing about him reads "this man is in his 40s" beyond his general lack of current video game knowledge, he very easily passes for somebody a good 10-15 years younger to the point that his real age coming up is often met with surprise. Which absolutely would help him in attempting to date 20+ years younger and it's skeevy as hell

We really need to address the cultural trend of "woke nice guy uses status to manipulate/abuse others" instead of just thinking in terms of how obvious it was somebody turned out to be terrible. Not addressing the nuances that go into how they're able to continue the grift means they'll keep finding success in it and red flags will just continue to go unnoticed.

I think about that brief period in my teens where an older male internet friend was absolutely gunning for the situation Dan was, with me--a minor that was a good 6-7 years younger--and am grateful I had a decent enough support system to understand that what was happening was a) wrong and that b) I wasn't in the wrong for leaving it, then I think about how many of these young women either didn't or currently don't have the same luxury. :sigh: Dudes need to be held accountable instead of just getting a slap on the wrist because even me leaving that situation before it got sexual was enough to give me trust issues for years. These are things that haunt you for literal decades afterwards even if nothing physical actually occurs, but in the case that it does? I can't begin to imagine what those women are going through


As someone in a similar situation, except without the 'good support systems that set you right' part, it's so loving disgusting how people are like "see she was 18, quit overreacting!"

The brain isn't even finished developing at 18 ffs.

Acerbatus fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Mar 27, 2021

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

I just couldn't look at your old avatar anymore
Fucking nauseating!


Sodomy Hussein posted:

Meanwhile, everyone watches porn and doing even one video is a scarlet letter

This is the real cost of any sex work. Having an onlyfans became a fire-able offense and most creators almost certainly have to worry about being blackmailed or harassed if people in their community find out, and the blame is never on the people who find it.

There's no nuance in society for sex workers. It's either something they commit to 100% or they have to hope and pray when they leave the industry they can find employment that either doesn't know or doesn't care about their past.

One of the most depressing parts of After Porn Ends is one of the 90s/early 00s ex-actresses is living well having saved and retired early and talks about how she would never go back because porn production became such a grinding, dehumanizing experience as the focus shifted to more extreme stuff in general shot as cheaply as possible. Then the financial crisis hit, wiped out her investments, and her only options for employment were to go back to porn.

If anyone is curious, the After Porn Ends trilogy and Hot Girls Wanted docs are very good movies that go deeper into how porn works as an industry and the way it requires either explicit or borderline exploitation of the actresses for the most part to work as intended.

Acerbatus posted:

As someone in a similar situation, except without the 'good support systems that set you right' part, it's so loving disgusting how people are like "see she was 18, quit overreacting!"

The brain isn't even finished developing at 18 ffs.

The story "hey this 40 year old guy uses his fame to meet female fans in the 18-22 range, tell them he loves them, acts like he'll date them, and then brutally dumps them the second they have sex with him" should've been the main topic but because the initial tweet tagged it as pedophile grooming, once that was suspect the floodgates immediately shifted to playing up that assumption as cancel culture run amok and ignoring everything problematic about his self-admitted behavior in favoring of arguing whether or not someone can consent at the 18-22 age range.

Like, missing the forest for the trees, what is technically or legally ok isn't even remotely the problem with it.

pentyne fucked around with this message at 03:45 on Mar 27, 2021

Acerbatus
Jun 26, 2020

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS


LionArcher posted:

In general, it seems like sex workers are still a group that is treated like poo poo by most major groups/the mainstream. Conservative churches have really pushed the (all sex work including porn) is from human trafficking thing of the children and it's a sin, and a ton of very liberal folks I know also push the human trafficking and or "porn isn't feminist". The sex workers I know (and I'm friends with a few) all have mixed feelings about the various industries (escorting porn dancing webcamming). But all think it should be legalized and regulated.

I'm personally involved only in the sense that one of my income streams is writing romance, and I've seen first hand how much people make fun of it and then consume a great deal of it.

The entire industry needs to basically be burned to the ground and rebuilt so even if it won't have no victims, there's at least fewer.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007





thrawn527 posted:

Wait, what happened? I'll give the podcast a listen at some point, but is there a summary I can read in the mean time? The description of the podcast is pretty vague. This is August Ames, right? (edit: I mean related to darkpriest specifically. I know about Ames suicide, and the couple days events that lead up to it.)

I haven't thought about darkpriest in years, since my post above, honestly.

Overall it sounds like the internet dogpile on Ames, while unpleasant, was likely not entirely to blame and that darkpriest's personality may have inadvertently amplified some of Ames's problems that led to her choosing to end her life.

I'm through six of the seven 30-minute episodes and so far DP's recollections of events and conversations do not entirely line up with what other people remember, though these are generally 1:1 comparisons so it's challenging to determine who's correct. However, there have so far been a couple of events where there are three people remembering things, and DP's account is at odds with the other two. DP also makes a number of claims that are impossible to verify but which paint him in a better light if you accept them. Both DP and one of his friends in the entertainment industry complain about how fake everyone there is and how they're all liars in that business, which invites the question: why should we attach any special import to your words, then? The journalist doing the cast gets a little too hung up on one detail in particular (the hotel room) though ultimately determined that DP's account was consistent with recorded facts about halfway through episode 6. The caster also noted a couple of instances of DP trying to play him off against his producer during interviews and conversations, as well as DP coaching some interviewees before the caster talked to them, which doesn't do a lot to enhance DP's credibility.

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Sep 6, 2011

“また遊んであげるわ!”


pentyne posted:

The story "hey this 40 year old guy uses his fame to meet female fans in the 18-22 range, tell them he loves them, acts like he'll date them, and then brutally dumps them the second they have sex with him" should've been the main topic but because the initial tweet tagged it as pedophile grooming, once that was suspect the floodgates immediately shifted to playing up that assumption as cancel culture run amok and ignoring everything problematic about his self-admitted behavior in favoring of arguing whether or not someone can consent at the 18-22 age range.

Like, missing the forest for the trees, what is technically or legally ok isn't even remotely the problem with it.

Yeah that's more what my issue was; child grooming and what actually happened are two different issues and the one that actually took place is easily glossed over now because it's "technically legal". The late teens to mid twenties range is such a mixed bag of emotions and you're only just finished baking from a developmental standpoint by the end of them, it's lovely if somebody famous takes advantage of that for easy guilt-free hookups. Something can be technically legal and still be questioned on a moral or ethical level imo

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