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LesterGroans
Jun 9, 2009

It's funny...

You were so scary at night.


DrVenkman posted:

I think apologising directly to the person is still a lot better than just issuing a press release to say how sorry you are. Throwing out a press release is the easiest thing in the world, actually facing up to it is different and to my mind at least, gives more credence to the apology being genuine. In Geimer's case, it clearly meant something to her and it's clear she harbours no ill will towards him or what he had said.

My favourite part is that Geimer took the opportunity to chat about True Romance and grill him on his new movie. She seems chill as gently caress.

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Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



Samantha Geimer's book, The Girl: A Life in the Shadow of Roman Polanski, is extremely good and everyone in this thread should read it.

Howling Man
Mar 29, 2014


What's Bryan Singer up to lately? Has he been seen outside Jamba Juice since?

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


Uncle Boogeyman posted:

Samantha Geimer's book, The Girl: A Life in the Shadow of Roman Polanski, is extremely good and everyone in this thread should read it.

Been meaning to for a time now.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!



Howling Man posted:

What's Bryan Singer up to lately? Has he been seen outside Jamba Juice since?

He's been in radio silence ever since he no-call / no-showed and disappeared halfway through shooting of the Freddie Mercury movie.

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008




https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/962348831789797381


In light of everything Iíve ever said on the subject, Iím going to seriously rethink my approach to these issues and conversations, because if Iím echoing something this man is saying, I have got to be wrong.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


It's rare to see the perfect application of a talking point in the wild.

viral spiral
Sep 19, 2017

by R. Guyovich


Saying false accusations don't happen as a response to Donald Trump saying they do is an incredibly idiotic and imperceptive position to take.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



Nap Ghost

Bust Rodd posted:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/962348831789797381


In light of everything I’ve ever said on the subject, I’m going to seriously rethink my approach to these issues and conversations, because if I’m echoing something this man is saying, I have got to be wrong.

A stopped clock is right twice a day. Donald Trump is a clock that runs backwards, and all the numbers are random letters, and the clock is an irredeemable piece of poo poo.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014




trump is so loving dumb. he could just keep his yap shut instead of going to bat for a guy where we have physical evidence he beats women. it honestly owns what a moron he is.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


viral spiral posted:

Saying false accusations don't happen as a response to Donald Trump saying they do is an incredibly idiotic and imperceptive position to take.

The point is to recognize why talking points are formulated in the way they are. It's like wasting your time arguing how you could possibly find being "pro-life" objectionable.

K. Waste
Feb 27, 2014

MORAL:
To the vector belong the spoils.


Bust Rodd posted:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/962348831789797381


In light of everything Iíve ever said on the subject, Iím going to seriously rethink my approach to these issues and conversations, because if Iím echoing something this man is saying, I have got to be wrong.

You at least contribute to the discussion with your invaluable insight into not just the superficial talking point of 'false allegations,' but a biographical example of how and in what context false accusations arise. Everything you described in your previous post about your brother was both tragic as well as empirically consistent with what individuals who have actually conscientiously researched definitively false allegations of sexual assault have found to be common.

It's crucial to distinguish this critical stand point from what Trump and his ilk are doing, which is to use the statistical minority of empirically false rape allegations* as a rational for not acknowledging rape culture at all. This all revolves around the same point we run into again and again: The problem is not a minority of individual repeat offenders/human-monsters; the problem is ideology. Any effective critique of rape culture necessarily involves an attempt to understand false rape allegations critically as social, cultural, or pathological phenomena. It's not mutually exclusive from the overarching political reality, which is that it is far more likely for an allegation of sexual assault to have some factual basis then for it to be completely, unambiguously "false."

* False being completely different from merely unproven or unsubstantiated

Sir Kodiak
May 14, 2007




Groovelord Neato posted:

trump is so loving dumb. he could just keep his yap shut instead of going to bat for a guy where we have physical evidence he beats women. it honestly owns what a moron he is.

Trump previously on physical evidence:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc4FEttRrIc

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003


The idiot in the White House weighing in is especially weird considering he has been involved in a pretty high profile rape accusation case that he took out full page ads in a newspaper to support their executions and still seems to think they are guilty despite DNA evidence clearing them.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 11, 2015

by Cyrano4747


Tars Tarkas posted:

The idiot in the White House weighing in is especially weird considering he has been involved in a pretty high profile rape accusation case that he took out full page ads in a newspaper to support their executions and still seems to think they are guilty despite DNA evidence clearing them.

it's almost like they were black and most of the people targeted by #MeToo and #TimesUp have been white dudes

chitoryu12
Apr 23, 2014



Tars Tarkas posted:

The idiot in the White House weighing in is especially weird considering he has been involved in a pretty high profile rape accusation case that he took out full page ads in a newspaper to support their executions and still seems to think they are guilty despite DNA evidence clearing them.

It's a personal thing for him because he personally has faced countless accusations that keep cropping up in the media. It's beneficial for him to try and downplay rape culture because he's directly involved in it.

I don't think his motive is any deeper than that. Trump is the apotheosis of someone existing and making decisions based entirely on shallow surface impulses without deeper meaning.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


I'll be more to the point and say that he feels threatened by it because he is an avowed misogynist as well as an admitted rapist. However, unlike most of the men "victimized" by this and being forced to do horrible things like take their name off the board of directors of one of their corporations, then make an apology, Trump will in all likelihood suffer no consequence whatsoever.

Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010



Michael Haneke has decided to waddle in and poo poo on the #MeToo movement.

http://deadline.com/2018/02/michael-haneke-metoo-witch-hunt-comments-1202285106/

Raxivace
Sep 9, 2014



I'm sure Michael "Funny Games" Haneke has a subtle and nuanced take on these complicated issues.

Disposable Scud
Oct 13, 2012

Live Slow Die Whenever

But what does Lars von Trier think? Someone call Lars von Trier.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014




apart from him not knowing what the term witch hunt means why wouldn't they list his most famous movie when talking about him.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!


James Woods Fan posted:

But what does Lars von Trier think? Someone call Lars von Trier.
"There's a little Weinstein inside all of us."

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



The thing about Trump is I feel like he absolutely would have been on the Weinstein block if he wasn't President. Before bumblefucking his way into the most powerful position in the free world, he was at the exact level of fame and notoriety that, had he simply been hosting The Apprentice when this moment arrived, would have placed him firmly in the crosshairs alongside other high profile celebrities who had been skating by on their bad behavior. No way would he have kept the show if the Access Hollywood tape leaked, and given how many accusers he has, he would have likely been staring down the barrel of years' worth of lawsuits.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010



Fart City posted:

The thing about Trump is I feel like he absolutely would have been on the Weinstein block if he wasn't President. Before bumblefucking his way into the most powerful position in the free world, he was at the exact level of fame and notoriety that, had he simply been hosting The Apprentice when this moment arrived, would have placed him firmly in the crosshairs alongside other high profile celebrities who had been skating by on their bad behavior. No way would he have kept the show if the Access Hollywood tape leaked, and given how many accusers he has, he would have likely been staring down the barrel of years' worth of lawsuits.

There was an accusation that was trying to build steam of him and a friend raping a 13 year old, but apparently the victim was terrified to come forward previously and I don't imagine that she's any less scared now that her attacker is the loving President.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006


Fart City posted:

The thing about Trump is I feel like he absolutely would have been on the Weinstein block if he wasn't President. Before bumblefucking his way into the most powerful position in the free world, he was at the exact level of fame and notoriety that, had he simply been hosting The Apprentice when this moment arrived, would have placed him firmly in the crosshairs alongside other high profile celebrities who had been skating by on their bad behavior. No way would he have kept the show if the Access Hollywood tape leaked, and given how many accusers he has, he would have likely been staring down the barrel of years' worth of lawsuits.
The problem is that the whole thing is a chicken and egg thing.

Ezra Klein had an interesting take on why the Me Too moment happened the way it did. Basically, Trump put Liberals in a position where there was a lot more sensitivity to sexual harassment and sexual assault after the Access Hollywood tape and the Fox News harassment cases. But the big revelation we get that kicks off all the whole movement is Weinstein, a democrat donor. So, when Weinstein goes down, he literally has nobody to turn to. Trump's shittery helped codify consent politics into Liberalism. Conservatives were ready for the Weinstein story to be about how Liberals are hypocrites and didn't know what was actually happening. But Weinstein found himself in a position where he literally had nobody to turn to. It wasn't like before. There were no defenders. There was nobody questioning the accusations. Weinstein was defenseless and he went down hard. And his going down set a new precedent for how these stories are treated.

But the big question is, does this all work the same way if Trump didn't have his Access Hollywood moment or rape his wife or humiliate a woman on stage and force her to kiss him or oggle half-dressed and naked teenagers or...

The sad thing is that Liberals have been hypocrites. Especially in Hollywood, they've helped protect abusers and rapists. I think it is believable to say that maybe things would have worked differently for Weinstein without Trump. Look back at the beginning of the Weinstein revelations. It's clear that he thinks he can just go to therapy and give money to Liberal causes to get out of this. Lisa Bloom, a lawyer famous for standing up for women, is on his legal team. In those first few days, it doesn't feel like this will be different. But hell, let's go even further with that. I think the Weinstein story's play also got magnified in the mainstream media by Conservatives looking to shame Liberals. There's a good case to be made that this attempt to politicize Weinstein helped foster a media environment where the Me Too movement could get mainstream attention just by how much attention was on Weinstein. The problem for Conservatives is that they didn't hold onto their own narrative.

But also Trump literally sexually harassed a US Senator on twitter and we all saw it happen, so you know, there's a lot of poo poo to unpack with having an open misogynist as a POTUS.

21 Muns
Dec 10, 2016

by FactsAreUseless


Timeless Appeal posted:


But also Trump literally sexually harassed a US Senator on twitter and we all saw it happen, so you know, there's a lot of poo poo to unpack with having an open misogynist as a POTUS.

Seriously how the gently caress did this not get him impeached immediately? I mean, I guess the answer is "the same reason he wasn't impeached immediately as soon as he was inaugurated (Republicans)", but still, come on.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

by Nyc_Tattoo


Vegetable posted:

Michael Haneke has decided to waddle in and poo poo on the #MeToo movement.

http://deadline.com/2018/02/michael-haneke-metoo-witch-hunt-comments-1202285106/

god dammit

Ok Comboomer
Oct 20, 2007


Timeless Appeal posted:

The problem is that the whole thing is a chicken and egg thing.

Ezra Klein had an interesting take on why the Me Too moment happened the way it did. Basically, Trump put Liberals in a position where there was a lot more sensitivity to sexual harassment and sexual assault after the Access Hollywood tape and the Fox News harassment cases.....

I think thereís a truth to that but there were similar, smaller movements happening in many places that cross over with progressive politics- like science, academia, and even tech and business- for years before this took off, or even before the election.

Thereís been a several yearsí long campaign to address harassment and sexism in science and academia that bears a good deal of resemblance to how #MeToo has spread, and the current national discussion about campus sexual assault and affirmative consent began in earnest before Obama started his second term.

Discussion about harassment in Silicon Valley was happening back when Reddit was still actively protecting child pornographers and Gamergate started in like 2013 or 14.

The feeling going into the election was one of general optimism- things felt lovely and tough but there was a lot of progress actively happening all around. Predators were beginning to be outed and institutions were starting to change. That was the idea. The Obama Administration had taken steps in line with this thinking and Hillary was on the horizon ready to take the baton and sprint into the future. The excrement spewing from what would eventually be labeled the Alt-Right was just a backlash that would be steamrolled in time.

When Trump won, it was a stinging rebuke and it definitely calcified the movement into what it is now. It proved that the Alt-Right was potentially more politically dangerous than many had previously assumed. But the reason millions of people turned out and marched that January and got together and set the groundwork for #MeToo to happen and for there to be a critical mass of people to be receptive to its message was because this was building for years. I donít think that people wouldíve been so ready to kill their idols, so to speak, if it hadnít been.

To paraphrase/build on something the Notorious RBG just said in an interview- #MeToo is the mainstreaming of something thatís been alive and sidelined for a really long time and challenges the dominant social narrative that ďwomen just make poo poo up.Ē Like challenging the narrative that slaveryís just a normal, okay thing or that women shouldnít vote.

Ok Comboomer fucked around with this message at 04:02 on Feb 12, 2018

viral spiral
Sep 19, 2017

by R. Guyovich


El Gallinero Gros posted:

There was an accusation that was trying to build steam of him and a friend raping a 13 year old, but apparently the victim was terrified to come forward previously and I don't imagine that she's any less scared now that her attacker is the loving President.

I think you might be confusing Trump with Roman Polanski?

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003

I
ANALYZE
CARTOONS


Soiled Meat

Nope.

http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-rape-sexual-assault-minor-wife-business-victims-roy-moore-713531

Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 04:52 on Feb 12, 2018

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 11, 2015

by Cyrano4747


viral spiral posted:

I think you might be confusing Trump with Roman Polanski?

nah, this was a thing before the election and ~mysteriously~ vanished as the election started picking up steam

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"



21 Muns posted:

Seriously how the gently caress did this not get him impeached immediately? I mean, I guess the answer is "the same reason he wasn't impeached immediately as soon as he was inaugurated (Republicans)", but still, come on.

if you listed everything that Trump (or someone in the Trump Administration) has done since his inauguration that would have warranted impeachment proceedings being drawn up if it were done during the Obama administration, you would have an entire encyclopedia in front of you.

viral spiral
Sep 19, 2017

by R. Guyovich



...Jane Doe?

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy


HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

It's rare to see the perfect application of a talking point in the wild.

127,000 likes

Destroy this country

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy


Let's not forget that the president of the United States is a repeat rapist

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


Phi230 posted:

Let's not forget that the president of the United States is a repeat rapist

Repeated and admitted in his own words, in fact.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011



HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

Repeated and admitted in his own words, in fact.

As someone who's been falsely accused by himself the President knows all to well the errant consequences from being too honest on tape speaking harsh truths and losing your career and connections becoming the president of the United States.

-Blackadder-
Jan 2, 2007

Game....Blouses.


Lol @ Trump or any Republicans as champions of due process. So the party whose views on justice are based on the mob baiting hysteria of lunatics like Nancy Grace and unironically jerking off to The Punisher, are suddenly going to be the calm voice of reason that defends the rights of the accused? Riiight.

You'd think the party of McCarthyism would love watching people lose their careers over accusations. But maybe this hits a little too close to home.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised




21 Muns posted:

Seriously how the gently caress did this not get him impeached immediately? I mean, I guess the answer is "the same reason he wasn't impeached immediately as soon as he was inaugurated (Republicans)", but still, come on.

is the only reason anyone ever though those things would actually be impeachable. The Republicans are happy as pigs in poo poo.

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McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005








quote:

Michael Cohen, his former lawyer and top aide, defended him against Ivana Trumpís claims, saying, "By the very definition, you can't rape your spouse."

This repugnance is never gonna die, isn't it?

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