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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised




Interesting that comes up since GameSpot recently deleted and apologised for a tweet that called the old Lara design 'over-sexualised' and implied she wasn't an icon before her reboot redesign, after a feminist complained it's slut-shaming and enforcing patriarchal modesty norms.

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davidspackage
May 16, 2007



Nap Ghost

Gargamel Gibson posted:

"This Music Executive's Sexual Harassment Story Will Make You Never Want To Listen to The Red Hot Chili Peppers"

Actually it's the music.

What I'd like, is, I'd like to hug and kiss you.

Origami Dali
Jan 7, 2005

Get ready to fuck!
You fucker's fucker!
You fucker!


Inescapable Duck posted:

Interesting that comes up since GameSpot recently deleted and apologised for a tweet that called the old Lara design 'over-sexualised' and implied she wasn't an icon before her reboot redesign, after a feminist complained it's slut-shaming and enforcing patriarchal modesty norms.

Reality is farce.

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."




The older Tomb Raider games definitely marketed themselves on sex appeal. Believe it or not those pointy triangular boobs were provocative back in the day and Eidos certainly played into Lara's image to move units, even if they gradually toned it down over the years. That isn't to say TR2013 doesn't have its own share of problems in the kind of torture porny way Lara is introduced. It's that whole Whedonesque angle of taking some waifish girl in peril, mercilessly beating her down for an hour, then saying it's feminist as long as she comes out of it beating up the bad guy. Fortunately TR2013 doesn't totally veer in that direction and becomes more of an action romp by the end, but I'm curious what kind of framework this new movie is going to lead with.

Ok Comboomer
Oct 20, 2007



Inescapable Duck posted:

Interesting that comes up since GameSpot recently deleted and apologised for a tweet that called the old Lara design 'over-sexualised' and implied she wasn't an icon before her reboot redesign, after a feminist complained it's slut-shaming and enforcing patriarchal modesty norms.

Well, the poo poo can go both ways right? I work in middle-to-high school education and it turns out that kids and adults alike are often super-duper extra lovely to girls who commit the sin of developing early or growing boobs that are “too big” for their age cohort.

Like, if you can name a problem in education somebody has tried to blame it on a student’s boobs. Parents will sit in a meeting straight-faced and blame their own kid’s inability to self-regulate on a classmate’s choice of shirt. Or argue against including a kid on an athletic team or in a performance on bullshit modesty or self-esteem grounds or “other kids and dads will be distracted” (a real argument often tossed around by athletic staff). Is a girl getting bullied by her peers? Harassed by strangers? Do other girls like her too much? Too little? Do boys like her too much? Too little? Grades too low compared to her classmates? Grades too high? Did she place in honors math? Regular math? Is she depressed? Is she really happy? Did she get assaulted?

Welp, boobs are for Adults Only and she should’ve thought about the consequences of her choices before she put those adult boobs on in seventh grade. I tell you, in my day we had responsibility.

Ok Comboomer fucked around with this message at 15:26 on Mar 15, 2018

Inspector Gesicht
Oct 26, 2012

500 Zeus a body.




I played Tomb Raider 2013 to completion, and I can't recall anything except for that hilarious bit where Lara's nerd crewmember goes off on his own in enemy-territory to impress Lara, gets himself fatally injured, and when she finds him he hands her what was worth dying over: a wrench.

Inspector Gesicht fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Mar 15, 2018

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!




Electric Bugaloo posted:

Well, the poo poo can go both ways right? I work in middle-to-high school education and it turns out that kids and adults alike are often super-duper extra lovely to girls who commit the sin of developing early or growing boobs that are “too big” for their age cohort.

Like, if you can name a problem in education somebody has tried to blame it on a student’s boobs. Parents will sit in a meeting straight-faced and blame their own kid’s inability to self-regulate on a classmate’s choice of shirt. Or argue against including a kid on an athletic team or in a performance on bullshit modesty or self-esteem grounds or “other kids and dads will be distracted” (a real argument often tossed around by athletic staff). Is a girl getting bullied by her peers? Harassed by strangers? Do other girls like her too much? Too little? Do boys like her too much? Too little? Grades too low compared to her classmates? Grades too high? Did she place in honors math? Regular math? Is she depressed? Is she really happy? Did she get assaulted?

Welp, boobs are for Adults Only and she should’ve thought about the consequences of her choices before she put those adult boobs on in seventh grade. I tell you, in my day we had responsibility.


The dress code for girls is almost completely based around not distracting the boys in class too. It's ridiculous

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006




College Slice

Len posted:

The dress code for girls is almost completely based around not distracting the boys in class too. It's ridiculous

Having been a teenage boy, I can attest that I would have been distracted no matter what.

21 Muns
Dec 10, 2016

by FactsAreUseless


Len posted:

The dress code for girls is almost completely based around not distracting the boys in class too. It's ridiculous

This has also always struck me as really dumb because, by and large, the boys in class want to be distracted. They're just inconveniencing everyone here.

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!




Phylodox posted:

Having been a teenage boy, I can attest that I would have been distracted no matter what.

Agreed. If it wouldn't have been looking at shoulders it would have been sleeping or doing the homework for the next class.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back






I can get behind dress codes when it comes to the girls who are legit dressing way beyond their age, but the codes were alway bullshit when it came to girls who just happened to develop earlier than the others. Like I was nine when I went through puberty and for a while I'd get poo poo for wearing the same normal-rear end t-shirts as other girls just because I already had tits.

But like a twelve year old running around in booty shorts and a crop top, I can see telling her to put something else on fwiw, even if the reasons they give usually come out loving stupid.

Snowman_McK
Jan 31, 2010


Dress code poo poo is always super stupid. I mean, I grew up in the golden age of hipster jeans and g-strings, going to a public school and still managed to do alright. If I didn't, it's because school is boring as poo poo and I was a teenager, and would have rather have been doing basically anything else.

exquisite tea posted:

She looks like a pretty dead-on representation of nu-Lara Croft from TR2013 onwards to me.

Also her rear delts make me feel really inadequate as a human.

She got in crazy good shape for the movie, mostly to run away from CGI things falling over.

Sinners Sandwich posted:

It's hard not to talk about the rear end in P.N.03 but yeah gently caress gamers

gently caress, I've been trying to remember the name of the game for ages. No wonder I couldn't find it, I had the wrong console.. That dreadful review stuck in my head for years.


exquisite tea posted:

The older Tomb Raider games definitely marketed themselves on sex appeal. Believe it or not those pointy triangular boobs were provocative back in the day and Eidos certainly played into Lara's image to move units, even if they gradually toned it down over the years. That isn't to say TR2013 doesn't have its own share of problems in the kind of torture porny way Lara is introduced. It's that whole Whedonesque angle of taking some waifish girl in peril, mercilessly beating her down for an hour, then saying it's feminist as long as she comes out of it beating up the bad guy. Fortunately TR2013 doesn't totally veer in that direction and becomes more of an action romp by the end, but I'm curious what kind of framework this new movie is going to lead with.

That one kind of plays out like the better parts of Far Cry 3, but where your main character is constantly gasping for breath or dying horrifically.

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"



esperterra posted:

I can get behind dress codes when it comes to the girls who are legit dressing way beyond their age, but the codes were alway bullshit when it came to girls who just happened to develop earlier than the others. Like I was nine when I went through puberty and for a while I'd get poo poo for wearing the same normal-rear end t-shirts as other girls just because I already had tits.

But like a twelve year old running around in booty shorts and a crop top, I can see telling her to put something else on fwiw, even if the reasons they give usually come out loving stupid.

the weird thing is that there's really no "dressing way beyond their age" comparison for boys. like, if boys want to dress "like an adult" it pretty much means like, sweaters and khakis or dockers or some poo poo like that. Guys can wear the Bro Uniform (tank top and some Donald Glover-rear end shorts) to absolutely no complaints as long as they're not rocking the hawaiian shirt with no tee underneath thing, but that's not seen as "too mature", it's just seen as "literally not wearing a shirt".

i think there should just be a "don't wear something you should only wear to the beach" rule. it doesn't blame girls for boys' "distraction", it's just like, school is not the beach. short shorts? beach. crop top? beach. button-up with no shirt? beach. really really deep-necked tank-top? beach.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004

MAGA FAN #1


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Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.



DC Murderverse posted:

i think there should just be a "don't wear something you should only wear to the beach" rule. it doesn't blame girls for boys' "distraction", it's just like, school is not the beach. short shorts? beach. crop top? beach. button-up with no shirt? beach. really really deep-necked tank-top? beach.

So basically the Vatican's dress code?

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


Samuel Clemens posted:

So basically the Vatican's dress code?

World famous for successfully discouraging sex with children.

Ubik_Lives
Nov 16, 2012


You lot need school uniforms. Polo shirt with the school logo printed on it for everyone. Done.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

how few people do you
need before you can
change the world?


Ubik_Lives posted:

You lot need school uniforms. Polo shirt with the school logo printed on it for everyone. Done.

The argument against that is that poor families can't afford uniforms. And public schools can't afford poo poo.

Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.



HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

World famous for successfully discouraging sex with children.

Goddamn

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011



HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

World famous for successfully discouraging sex with children.

:thurman:

Spalec
Apr 16, 2010


Ubik_Lives posted:

You lot need school uniforms. Polo shirt with the school logo printed on it for everyone. Done.

Schools (at least where I grew up) loving ripped you off hardcore for those. Like, a regular white polo shirt were like 3/£5 from any major supermarket, but the school branded ones (which were pretty much identical except a logo) were £10 each.

banned from Starbucks
Jul 18, 2004






Find out where they keep them and steal a few. It's a school not fort knox.

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!




Rhyno posted:

The argument against that is that poor families can't afford uniforms. And public schools can't afford poo poo.

And public schools will continue to not be able to afford poo poo because "no I'm not going to vote for them to collect more in taxes"

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"



banned from Starbucks posted:

Find out where they keep them and steal a few. It's a school not fort knox.

"if you're poor just steal poo poo nothing has ever gone wrong for poor people who steal poo poo"

Ubik_Lives
Nov 16, 2012


Spalec posted:

Schools (at least where I grew up) loving ripped you off hardcore for those. Like, a regular white polo shirt were like 3/£5 from any major supermarket, but the school branded ones (which were pretty much identical except a logo) were £10 each.

The public schools I went to had cheap shirts, and they had free second-hand bins if you were dirt poor.

Then I went to a private school and the even the socks were like $8 a pair, and you needed three types (school, sports summer, sports winter), and they all have a coloured stripe on them, so no, you can't just wear a pair of normal white socks to sport. I know private schools need to turn a profit, but drat, the uniform shop there was such a ripoff.

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this


The guillotine has many uses.

sponges
Sep 14, 2011



Magic Hate Ball posted:

The guillotine has many uses.

Indeed it does but what does this have to do school uniforms?

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"



sponges posted:

Indeed it does but what does this have to do school uniforms?

expensive school uniforms -> expensive private schools -> rich people -> guillotines

Ubik_Lives
Nov 16, 2012


A healthy train of thought if ever I've seen one.

Ubik_Lives fucked around with this message at 08:24 on Mar 16, 2018

Bolingbroke
Jan 4, 2015


School uniforms need to be totally revamped. Mine didn't have one, but so many of my friends who did experienced a huge amount of sexual harassment when walking to/from school in a uniform, way more than they'd get when in casual dress. There's something very hosed about forcing 12 year old girls to wear an outfit that has become one of the top porn tropes in the country. At least give them the option of trousers.

Mister Nobody
Feb 17, 2011


DC Murderverse posted:

expensive school uniforms -> expensive private schools -> rich people -> guillotines

Where I'm from everyone has to use uniforms whether its a public or private school and not once have i ever seen the price of the uniform be an issue.

Then again they are also the lowest quality material possible, and as soon as the kids get them they start altering them to their standards, its also kind of a relief never having to worry about what to wear every morning.

Also I think the ubiquity of the uniform sort takes the steam out trying ro fetishize it.

Desperado Bones
Aug 29, 2009

Cute, adorable, and creepy at the same time!




Bolingbroke posted:

School uniforms need to be totally revamped. Mine didn't have one, but so many of my friends who did experienced a huge amount of sexual harassment when walking to/from school in a uniform, way more than they'd get when in casual dress. There's something very hosed about forcing 12 year old girls to wear an outfit that has become one of the top porn tropes in the country. At least give them the option of trousers.

School uniforms for public schools in my country are made in a way to look as the most uninteresting thing ever and that can be bought by anyone, anywhere . Like white shirt or polo, gray/darkblue skirt and there's always the rule that the lenght most be under the knee. SADLY, men over here will always harass you in the street no matter what you are wearing. You could be the fattest older woman wearing jeans and a huge t-shirt and some guy will whistle and say something sexual. You could be 10 and be dressed just like a kid, and some creep will stare at you like a steak (This did happen to me when I was in elementary school. Made my mother super angry).

It's like they got so use to that behaviour that the moment they see anything with long hair or boobs they have to say something, stare at, make sexual advances,etc.

chitoryu12
Apr 23, 2014



Desperado Bones posted:

School uniforms for public schools in my country are made in a way to look as the most uninteresting thing ever and that can be bought by anyone, anywhere . Like white shirt or polo, gray/darkblue skirt and there's always the rule that the lenght most be under the knee. SADLY, men over here will always harass you in the street no matter what you are wearing. You could be the fattest older woman wearing jeans and a huge t-shirt and some guy will whistle and say something sexual. You could be 10 and be dressed just like a kid, and some creep will stare at you like a steak (This did happen to me when I was in elementary school. Made my mother super angry).

It's like they got so use to that behaviour that the moment they see anything with long hair or boobs they have to say something, stare at, make sexual advances,etc.

It's almost like the problem isn't that kids need to have their dress policed, but that men are raised in ways that encourage them to be creeps.

Weird.

Bolingbroke
Jan 4, 2015


chitoryu12 posted:

It's almost like the problem isn't that kids need to have their dress policed, but that men are raised in ways that encourage them to be creeps.

Weird.

Yeah in case it wasn't clear, I'm not arguing that it's kids' dress codes that are the problem here, but until we as a culture move past men being loving atrocious to children those children shouldn't be forced to dress in a way that so many men sexualise. I'm sure if we give them alternatives men will just start sexualising those as well but, eh, you do what you can. I suppose my complaint here is less with the nature of school uniforms and more that kids are forced to dress that way.

Coffee And Pie
Nov 4, 2010

"Blah-sum"?
More like "Blawesome"


Behold: a truly hot take from the comments on a BuzzFeed article about Katy Perry kissing a teenager on the lips when he explicitly did not want her to.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006
I am an autistic asshole that is incapable of understanding anything that isn't face value. Please consider my disability when reading my posts.

chitoryu12 posted:

It's almost like the problem isn't that kids need to have their dress policed, but that men are raised in ways that encourage them to be creeps.

Weird.

Yeah, agreed. I've seen some decent arguments for school uniforms, but none of them include "maybe the children are just too sexy otherwise?" because that's extremely loving weird and if you think that's a reasonable argument for school uniforms, you should probably cut off your dick and balls just to be safe.

Not Operator
Jan 1, 2009

Not A doctor, THE Doctor!


When she was fourteen and in high school my wife once got pulled into the head office after class because a male teacher complained to the principal that her skirt was too short. She told the principal that the teacher probably shouldn't be looking at her like that and then she got to hear a gross little speech where the gist was that men can't be blamed for their behaviour and women had to keep this in mind when choosing what to wear. She didn't get punished because on this occasion, it was "clearly unintentional".

The girls uniform at this school was a polo shirt, optional sweater, skirt and tights, so I don't think that's at all a barrier for this sort of thing. I honestly think it'd take putting them in dystopian grey overalls to stop some people fetishizing high schoolers.

Anyway that's (not) my school uniform story.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011



School uniforms are stupid and are a solution to absolutely nothing.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


Not Operator posted:

I honestly think it'd take putting them in dystopian grey overalls to stop some people fetishizing high schoolers.

Did you do this on purpose? A minor point in 1984 is Winston Smith being so sex starved that he fantasizes about Julia in dystopian grey overalls.

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Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006




College Slice

Not Operator posted:

I honestly think it'd take putting them in dystopian grey overalls to stop some people fetishizing high schoolers.

That’s awfully naive, really.

You could literally force them to hide themselves in nondescript brown boxes and I guarantee you a) people would sexualize that and b) they would find a way to blame the girls in the boxes.

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