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Hat Thoughts
Jul 27, 2012


Phi230 posted:

Post the article

U should ask nicely...as a policy

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Tsyni
Sep 1, 2004

I love you boy, One Pack, always.


Lipstick Apathy

Hat Thoughts posted:

U should ask nicely...as a policy, please

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



Big write up about John Kís (creator of Ren & Stimpy) long history of grooming/preying on young girls.

Iíd long heard him to be a creepy dude, but I didnít know it was that bad.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

how few people do you
need before you can
change the world?



Oh jesus. I'd heard he was a creep but god drat.

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"




two things (that are not the really fuckin' creepy pictures of John K with teenage girls throughout the article) I would like to particularly point out that stuck out to me:

quote:

Although sexual abuse allegations against Kricfalusi have never been made public before, his relationship with Byrd has been an open secret within animation ó so open that ďa girl he had been dating since she was fifteen years oldĒ was referenced briefly in a book about the history of Ren & Stimpy.

WHAT THE gently caress PEOPLE

quote:

As Byrd grew up in the studio, her coworkers, many of whom were not much older than she was, were aware of the teenís romantic relationship with their boss. Mora got an internship at Spumco in 1997, around the age of 24, and when he first started seeing Byrd around the studio, ďI was like, ĎWhoís that little girl?íĒ he said. The relationship was odd to him, but it seemed to be accepted at the studio, where former employees say Kricfalusi fostered a libertine atmosphere in which taking offense was itself offensive. They were making shows with sexual themes; there were raunchy nude drawings on display. Mora said Kricfalusi left out a drawing he made of Byrd, naked, with a dog ejaculating on her.

This is such a common loving thing. Those people who are all about "freedom of speech" and "oh you snowflake you are so offended which is my goal because offending people is my right" are not always hiding something, but they're definiitly aiding and abetting guys like John K who use the idea of "freedom" to justify really loving gross poo poo like dating 16 year olds.

secretly best girl
Mar 27, 2007

I see you choosing that other route. How dare you.

DC Murderverse posted:

things (that are not the really fuckin' creepy pictures of John K with teenage girls throughout the article) I would like to particularly point out that stuck out to me:
(teen dating mentioned in Sick Little Monkeys)

WHAT THE gently caress PEOPLE

Yeah this one surprised me less because I remember reading that at the time and it's put every single story about the man in a new light since. Even the quiet warnings about the dude made him seem like he just kept searching until he found someone to groom into his ideal.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


Libertarian into sex with children? No one could have ever guessed that.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.



God Hole posted:

So basically The Invitation was a documentary

I mean... yeah. Its why so many of the guests immediately go "Uhhh... did our grieving friends get sucked into a cult?" Cause it happens.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



Re: the John K story above, one of the things that really hit me like a guy punch is one of the women profiled is Katie Rice, who is the creator of Camp Wedonwancha, a very funny and very sweet comic. Iíve been following it for a long time, so it came as quite the surprise when I saw her pop up in the article, as I didnít even realize she came up through Spumco.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Ya like Little Wayne?


I thought everyone knew he was a creep. I'm actually surprised it took this long.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



Iíd always heard vague things, but his repeated grooming of sixteen year old girls? The child porn? Thatís all new to me. Like I knew he was a creep, but I didnít know he was a full-blown sex monster.

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006



it was apparently in a book about ren and stimpy that he was loving a 15 year old. like we can't even be like "smh at the 70s" anymore, apparently the 90s weren't much better as far as open pedos

bad day
Mar 26, 2012

by VideoGames


People havenít always been as obsessed with pedos as they are now. It just wasnít as common a topic as in 2018.

If Dan Schneider really is going down, the other big thing I heard about that seems legit is Jared Leto, and itís super hosed up. International sex trafficking, trading women like gifts, dictator/steven segal level transgressions.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back






I'd heard about Leto hooking up with teens at his concerts and being a very aggressive lover, but none of that poo poo, goddamn.

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"



yeah i tend to stop following these sorts of rumors when they have some sort of organized child trading ring. Not that I think it couldn't exist but i feel like they would never get revealed even in circumstances like this. We've heard similar things about Bryan Singer and the people he hangs around with but they never got revealed if they're true.

that said I'm fairly confident that Jared Leto has had sex with an underaged girl at some point in his life as a celebrity.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised




You'd think so, but Jimmy Saville.

And goddamn, we just had the arrest and reveal of a cult that recruited and groomed women, including very famous Hollywood stars, as sex slaves and prostitutes.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014




fogle was the harbinger.

Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.



bad day posted:

People havenít always been as obsessed with pedos as they are now. It just wasnít as common a topic as in 2018.

I'm not sure I agree with that. Brass Eye was satirising the media's and public's sensationalised reaction to paedophilia almost twenty years ago. It seems more likely that powerful people were immune to the panic surrounding the subject because for a long time, the stereotypical child molester was shown as a creepy loner with no friends rather than a highly succesful and well-respected person.

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!


Fart City posted:

Iíd always heard vague things, but his repeated grooming of sixteen year old girls? The child porn? Thatís all new to me. Like I knew he was a creep, but I didnít know he was a full-blown sex monster.

Yeah, I just wrote a lot of the creepiness in his shows off as mental damage from repressed homosexuality.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


DC Murderverse posted:

that said I'm fairly confident that Jared Leto has had sex with an underaged girl at some point in his life as a celebrity.

When it hits the music industry, it will be unstoppable. Dudes don't even think about playing the guitar until they learn it's the best access to teen girls.

Voodoofly
Jul 3, 2002


HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

When it hits the music industry, it will be unstoppable. Dudes don't even think about playing the guitar until they learn it's the best access to teen girls.

Itís hitting the music industry. Brand new. Crystal castles. Real estate. Gas lamp killer (more known for flying lotus bad defense). That New York next hot band that was about to blow up before all the bad poo poo came out about them. Way more Iím sure but those were just off the top of my head.

Edit. R Kelley even more than before obviously as well

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



Voodoofly posted:

Itís hitting the music industry. Brand new. Crystal castles. Real estate. Gas lamp killer (more known for flying lotus bad defense). That New York next hot band that was about to blow up before all the bad poo poo came out about them. Way more Iím sure but those were just off the top of my head.

Mostly niche bands though (I mean, at this point almost every guitar-based band counts as a niche band). Young and in the Way and Cheap Girls are a couple more. It'll be interesting to see if any major pop stars get taken down though, they still feel very insulated. I mean, Chris Brown still has a career.

Coffee And Pie
Nov 4, 2010

"Blah-sum"?
More like "Blawesome"


Donít forget PWR BTTM

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007



I assumed that's who they were referring to with "that next hot New York band"

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."




The PWR BTTM stuff has been out for almost a year now and it basically killed that band dead in the water.

Voodoofly
Jul 3, 2002


Uncle Boogeyman posted:

I assumed that's who they were referring to with "that next hot New York band"

yep, couldn't remember the name.

R. Kelley is obviously the big name but 20 years of allegations haven't done anything to him yet. Will be interesting to see if that changes.

Ok Comboomer
Oct 20, 2007


Itís worth noting that rappers like 6ix9ine and xxxtentacion are blowing the gently caress up right now and R Kelly and Chris Brown are doing just fine for all of their notoriety, though, so the music scene clearly has a looooong loving way to go on this front. Same goes for a lot of the indie/alt/post punk artists that middle aged white dudes love and who escaped scrutiny years ago despite credible allegations.

Just because some bands for gentle millennials and sad queer kids got theirs doesnít mean that the music industryís experiencing nearly the same reckoning as other areas.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back






The music scene esp has a long way to go because, unfortunately, a lot of the teenagers getting preyed on at these shows are going there looking to hook up with a rock star. That doesn't make them not victims but it does make things a hell of a lot murkier when it comes to people speaking out against the lovely behaviour of these musicians.

GrandpaPants
Feb 13, 2006


Free to roam the heavens in man's noble quest to investigate the weirdness of the universe!



I also feel like people can be bigger superfans of musicians than of actors/directors/producers. Like yeah Kevin Spacey has been in a lot of good movies, but nobody is going to go to bat for him like they would for, say, David Bowie. Maybe it's because music is a lot more of a personal statement, and thus a better representation of that person, than acting, which has an inherent element of fakeness to it? I dunno, but the sentimentality around even the most mediocre of musicians will shield them in ways that very few actors can ever achieve.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



GrandpaPants posted:

I also feel like people can be bigger superfans of musicians than of actors/directors/producers. Like yeah Kevin Spacey has been in a lot of good movies, but nobody is going to go to bat for him like they would for, say, David Bowie. Maybe it's because music is a lot more of a personal statement, and thus a better representation of that person, than acting, which has an inherent element of fakeness to it? I dunno, but the sentimentality around even the most mediocre of musicians will shield them in ways that very few actors can ever achieve.

I think music is arguably more personal for the audience than film is. And I say that as a huge loving movie nerd who has had deep emotional connections to certain films. But music is different. If Iím feeling blue or need to get jazzed, I donít throw a flick on to accompany those emotions. I put my earbuds in and listen to a song that enhances whatever vibe Iím in. Thereís more distance there between a film and a films fans than there is between musician and their fans, I think.

Perhaps it has something to do with the immediacy of the medium.

Tart Kitty fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Mar 30, 2018

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


GrandpaPants posted:

I also feel like people can be bigger superfans of musicians than of actors/directors/producers. Like yeah Kevin Spacey has been in a lot of good movies, but nobody is going to go to bat for him like they would for, say, David Bowie.

Yup. Also it seems much more prevalent, at least when you're talking about these guys' self admitted excesses. Hollywood seems a lot more hush hush, with music acts it's right in the open. For example:

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/music/11-rock-stars-who-allegedly-slept-with-underage-girls-7980930

Pigbuster
Sep 12, 2010



Fun Shoe

Fart City posted:

I think music is arguably more personal for the audience than film is. And I say that as a huge loving movie nerd who has had deep emotional connections to certain films. But music is different. If I’m feeling blue or need to get jazzed, I don’t throw a flick on to accompany those emotions. I put my earbuds in and listen to a song that enhances whatever vibe I’m in. There’s more distance there between a film and a films fans than there is between musician and their fans, I think.

Perhaps it has something to do with the immediacy of the medium.

Music transports the listener directly into a character's head; the lyrics are their internal monologue, the music is their emotions. Even purely instrumental songs can work this way. Movies are inherently about watching someone else, so it needs to a lot more work to become so intimate. It might be why I've seen many people say how important a musician is to them, while I've rarely seen anyone speak about an actor in the same way.

the escape goat
Apr 16, 2008

What a week it's been.
So much to talk about.
And so many things we can't talk about.



Winger's first hit was "Seventeen". a lot of people are far more likely to turn a blind eye to musicians being sex pests because there's definitely more of a groupie factor than there is with other forms of entertainment. It's somehow more accepted- not that it's right, but that kinda appears to be the case.

sponges
Sep 14, 2011



Music is Ďlow artí imo

Pablo Nergigante
Apr 16, 2002



sponges posted:

Music is Ďlow artí imo

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


It's only accepted because pop musicians all decided at some point to get in front of the whole issue and just brag about it.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014




it is loving insane that chris brown recovered.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004

MAGA FAN #1


esperterra posted:

I'd heard about Leto hooking up with teens at his concerts and being a very aggressive lover, but none of that poo poo, goddamn.

I've heard that it originated as a fanfic and I've heard he really does it - I don't know which is true.

Snowman_McK
Jan 31, 2010
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Judakel posted:

I've heard that it originated as a fanfic and I've heard he really does it - I don't know which is true.

Jared Leto is himself a fanfic that escaped into the real world, so it checks out.

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Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!



Snowman_McK posted:

Jared Leto is himself a fanfic that escaped into the real world, so it checks out.

Well, Jared Leto pretty much is the physical embodiment of Cool World. So.

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