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Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

how few people do you
need before you can
change the world?


Serious question:

Has anyone been accused and then the accusations have been unfounded or the accuser has recanted and said they lied?

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Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!



Rhyno posted:

Serious question:

Has anyone been accused and then the accusations have been unfounded or the accuser has recanted and said they lied?

Takei?

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"



Rhyno posted:

Serious question:

Has anyone been accused and then the accusations have been unfounded or the accuser has recanted and said they lied?

I'm fairly certain the accusation that Charlie Sheen molested Corey Haim that came out during the period immediately after Weinstein got busted was denied by Haim's mother.

or (super mega hot take alert) the first people who accused Michael Jackson, who were pretty notoriously unreliable.


i think that was just one of those that kinda fell by the wayside because no one ever really said anything about it beyond the first week. Y'know like how most of these happened prior to the reckoning

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

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Hmm, nobody's lives appear to have been ruined by those false accusations.

We're just looking for an example of a false accusation actually ruining a celebs life and coming up empty.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014




michael jackson.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

how few people do you
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change the world?


Groovelord Neato posted:

michael jackson.

Most people don't believe those were false accusations.

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"



Rhyno posted:

Hmm, nobody's lives appear to have been ruined by those false accusations.

We're just looking for an example of a false accusation actually ruining a celebs life and coming up empty.

ooh, I got one: Fatty Arbuckle.

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"



but i understand what you are saying and generally agree with you. false accusations are one of those things that everyone knows a guy who knows a guy who got accused by some woman who had sex with them and regretted it and cried rape and everyone believed her and his life was ruined and that's why #MeToo is terrible even though there are so many more women who suffer in silence after being attacked

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014




Rhyno posted:

Most people don't believe those were false accusations.

exactly.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

how few people do you
need before you can
change the world?


DC Murderverse posted:

but i understand what you are saying and generally agree with you. false accusations are one of those things that everyone knows a guy who knows a guy who got accused by some woman who had sex with them and regretted it and cried rape and everyone believed her and his life was ruined and that's why #MeToo is terrible even though there are so many more women who suffer in silence after being attacked

I got into a near shouting match with someone I thought was a decent person tonight. He's just adamant that 90% of the accusers are lying and wouldn't even entertain the idea that there's more terrible people with power and fame than we realize. And then he started that whole rant about I KNOW A GUY WHO LOST HIS JOB/LIFE/DOG OVER A WOMAN'S LIES. He made a comment about "there's so many innocent men being crucified in Hollywood" as well. Thankfully this guy isn't a close friend, just a dude I knew from work.

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"



Rhyno posted:

I got into a near shouting match with someone I thought was a decent person tonight. He's just adamant that 90% of the accusers are lying and wouldn't even entertain the idea that there's more terrible people with power and fame than we realize. And then he started that whole rant about I KNOW A GUY WHO LOST HIS JOB/LIFE/DOG OVER A WOMAN'S LIES. He made a comment about "there's so many innocent men being crucified in Hollywood" as well. Thankfully this guy isn't a close friend, just a dude I knew from work.

not that he would have actually taken you up on it, but you should have told him to ask the women in his life if they've ever been harassed or assaulted, particularly at work. He probably doesn't believe it because he's a man who's never had to deal with it and either doesn't really talk to many women or doesn't know exactly what they have to go through

and/or he's a total poo poo head

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014




for every false accusation there are ~150 sexual assaults. pretty good odds for believing a victim.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

how few people do you
need before you can
change the world?


Groovelord Neato posted:

for every false accusation there are ~150 sexual assaults. pretty good odds for believing a victim.

I would have thought it was 10 times that.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised




I'm pretty sure false accusations are a thing, but they tend to be incredibly loving obvious and paid no attention, usually made by crazy and/or extremely stupid people, and/or against the softest possible targets rather than someone with actual power.

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"


Ghost Leviathan posted:

I'm pretty sure false accusations are a thing, but they tend to be incredibly loving obvious and paid no attention, usually made by crazy and/or extremely stupid people, and/or against the softest possible targets rather than someone with actual power.

I've seen a number of articles about men who have spent time in prison who have their cases overturned when the person who accused them of rape are overheard saying it never happened.

I'm sure actual sexual assaults occur on a monumentally higher frequency than false accusations that ruin men's lives, but it does happen.

Origami Dali
Jan 7, 2005

Get ready to fuck!
You fucker's fucker!
You fucker!


Didn't Jacko have a bunch of nudie kids magazines in his bedroom, per the politice inventory of neverland ranch? That doesn't prove he diddled kids, but it doesn't exactly instill confidence that the accusations were bogus.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014




starkebn posted:

I've seen a number of articles about men who have spent time in prison who have their cases overturned when the person who accused them of rape are overheard saying it never happened.

I'm sure actual sexual assaults occur on a monumentally higher frequency than false accusations that ruin men's lives, but it does happen.

apart from the duke case and that rolling stone article there's the sorta well known case of high school football player brian banks:

quote:

After being falsely accused of rape by a classmate, he spent more than five years in prison and five years on strict custody parole, but had his conviction overturned in 2012 after his accuser admitted she had fabricated the entire story. Following his exoneration, Banks sought to resume his football career, playing for the now defunct United Football League (UFL), attending mini-camps for several NFL teams, and later signing with the Atlanta Falcons.

but then we got starting qbs in the nfl who definitely sexually assaulted people and never faced a second of punishment for it.

something like 2/3 of rapes are never even reported.

Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010



If “fake” rape accusations happen with consequences, they’re more likely because the police simply caught the wrong men of color. That’s happened in a few high profile cases, though not with celebrities.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised




Origami Dali posted:

Didn't Jacko have a bunch of nudie kids magazines in his bedroom, per the politice inventory of neverland ranch? That doesn't prove he diddled kids, but it doesn't exactly instill confidence that the accusations were bogus.

I recall they were more art books with supposedly non-sexual nudes of children among other pics rather than flat out porn, though obviously that's a blurry distinction at best. Still, might point to the theory that Jackson had a warped view of sexuality and physical boundaries from his upbringing, being exposed to sexual favours at a young age from being forced into being a child star. While there's no way to prove it, there are pointers to that he was just legitimately mentally hosed up rather than being a sexual predator.

Mostly I find it interesting that despite being one of the first high-profile entertainment sex predators in the news, he really doesn't fit the profile now.

Ok Comboomer
Oct 20, 2007



Vegetable posted:

If “fake” rape accusations happen with consequences, they’re more likely because the police simply caught the wrong men of color. That’s happened in a few high profile cases, though not with celebrities.

It’s worth mentioning that “we have it on good authority that somebody reported a rape” was used as a pretext for lynching and arresting black men and boys throughout the Jim Crow era, some as young as eight.

Many of those cases involved an actual reported assault where the real assailant wasn’t caught (or in many cases even sought out) and some poor scapegoat was brought in instead. Or they were covers for assaults committed by powerful white men (or their sons) who would never be brought to justice. Suspects were often tortured or coerced into signing statements prepared for them by police. Other cases involved consensual miscegenation or adultery and were as much about keeping women in line as they were about enforcing racial segregation. And still others didn’t even involve actual crimes at all, and were simply excuses to commit brutality and then immediately swept under the rug.

This history often gets brought up as one of many interweaving explanations for why people have been quick to defend certain black celebrities against legitimate accusations of assault or partner violence, notably OJ Simpson. As long as racist policing and police brutality continue to exist and be a political force that directly affects millions of people I think guys like R. Kelly and Chris Brown will benefit from some degree of cover on that front. This is why the organization and campaigning coming from black women and from within the black community recently to hold men like these accountable is so important.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006
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Groovelord Neato posted:

for every false accusation there are ~150 sexual assaults. pretty good odds for believing a victim.

It's also worth remembering that, of those false accusations, exceedingly few of them involve an accuser who's simply out to extort someone or ruin their lives -- in a lot of cases, there's mental illness involved on the part of false accusers, sometimes to the point they very literally believe they were raped or abused by a certain celebrity. There is absolutely no epidemic of people knowingly making false rape or sexual abuse allegations.

Power of Pecota
Aug 3, 2007

Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!



Rhyno posted:

Serious question:

Has anyone been accused and then the accusations have been unfounded or the accuser has recanted and said they lied?

Conor Oberst a few years ago is the only one coming to mind.

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser




Dave Lister from Red Dwarf went to prison and lost his career due to a rape accusation that I think turned out to be false, though he sense regained his career.

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007

"Real life is messy, inconsistent, and it's seldom when anything ever really gets resolved."



Do you mean Craig Charles because Dave Lister is a fictional character

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

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Yeah I didn't remember his name

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010



Power of Pecota posted:

Conor Oberst a few years ago is the only one coming to mind.

Isaac Brock from Modest Mouse, too.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Ya like Little Wayne?


Bryan Singer prior to being dragged into the Weinstein stuff. The lawsuits against him around the time of Days of the Future Past were withdrawn at the accuser's request.


He's now got another one against him, so maybe this one will stick.

Remulak
Jun 8, 2001

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Vagabundo posted:

Bryan Singer prior to being dragged into the Weinstein stuff. The lawsuits against him around the time of Days of the Future Past were withdrawn at the accuser's request.

Withdrawn doesn't mean he wasn't guilty.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

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Ghost Leviathan posted:

I'm pretty sure false accusations are a thing, but they tend to be incredibly loving obvious and paid no attention, usually made by crazy and/or extremely stupid people, and/or against the softest possible targets rather than someone with actual power.

Yea the whole false accusations thing is especially stupid regarding celebrities and people with power, because as much as there may be an added financial motive, there's ten times more motivation to keep quiet. There's no statement more indicative of male privilege than "If it was so bad why didn't she come forward earlier?" because it exposes the ignorance that most men have about exactly what these women go through when they go public. Especially in the age of the internet, coming forward against a powerful man is like voluntarily giving up any chance at a normal life for the next several years, and that's best case scenario.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

If you see me in the COVID thread, ignore me.

I photoshop charts to fit my narrative. I happily cherry-pick only the worst information to share and, lacking that, just make up lies.


Basebf555 posted:

Yea the whole false accusations thing is especially stupid regarding celebrities and people with power, because as much as there may be an added financial motive, there's ten times more motivation to keep quiet.

Pauley Perrette played fan favourite Abby on NCIS for 15 years but just left the show under unexplained circumstances and posted a bunch of cryptic tweets about bullying and physical attacks:

https://twitter.com/PauleyP/status/995520041612279808

https://twitter.com/PauleyP/status/995615443061649409

https://twitter.com/PauleyP/status/995620832486424576

https://twitter.com/PauleyP/status/995658483889463297

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"



Snowglobe of Doom posted:

Pauley Perrette played fan favourite Abby on NCIS for 15 years but just left the show under unexplained circumstances and posted a bunch of cryptic tweets about bullying and physical attacks:

https://twitter.com/PauleyP/status/995520041612279808

https://twitter.com/PauleyP/status/995615443061649409

https://twitter.com/PauleyP/status/995620832486424576

https://twitter.com/PauleyP/status/995658483889463297

it should be noted that a few months ago it came out that the showrunner for NCIS: New Orleans (different show) was investigated twice by HR for sexual harassment and didn't get fired, so CBS keeping abuse allegations under wraps on their money cow shows is incredibly believable and I hope she spills all the tea now that she's free.

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible





One of the NCIS boxsets had a feature that was the cast at a restaurant talking about acting and some such, and there was a bit where Michael Weatherly talked about the pressures of auditions, and I'll always remember with Perette interjected "At least they don't always try to get you to take your shirt off."

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Jul 29, 2003



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bad day
Mar 26, 2012

by VideoGames


Many outlets are reporting the Perette departure has something to do with Mark Harmon’s rescue pit bull biting a crew member and her blowing up about having a dangerous animal on set.

I have no idea if this is true but nothing she tweeted contradicts this version of events.

Len
Jan 21, 2008

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Bitchin'!




bad day posted:

Many outlets are reporting the Perette departure has something to do with Mark Harmon’s rescue pit bull biting a crew member and her blowing up about having a dangerous animal on set.

I have no idea if this is true but nothing she tweeted contradicts this version of events.

When are people gonna learn those dogs all think face meat is the best meat?

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

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Len posted:

When are people gonna learn those dogs all think face meat is the best meat?

It’s not?

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

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bad day posted:

Many outlets are reporting the Perette departure has something to do with Mark Harmon’s rescue pit bull biting a crew member and her blowing up about having a dangerous animal on set.

I have no idea if this is true but nothing she tweeted contradicts this version of events.

I remember reading this story in like US Weekly forever ago.

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser





Nah man the shoulder (butt) is where it's at.

bad day
Mar 26, 2012

by VideoGames


esperterra posted:

I remember reading this story in like US Weekly forever ago.

The timing matches up for when they describe the assault taking place, note the very specific ways the word is used, never clearly stating a person assaulted her. People have done way more outlandish things than quit a job because of someone else’s pet.

But I mean who knows. Last week someone in my hometown abducted a blind rescue dog and it resulted in death threats and police being called on multiple unrelated innocents.

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Oct 16, 2008

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bad day posted:

The timing matches up for when they describe the assault taking place, note the very specific ways the word is used, never clearly stating a person assaulted her. People have done way more outlandish things than quit a job because of someone else’s pet.

But I mean who knows. Last week someone in my hometown abducted a blind rescue dog and it resulted in death threats and police being called on multiple unrelated innocents.

Surely she knows tho that people will assume it was a person who assaulted her? Does a pit bull attack really need including in the MeToo discussion, which is where she's placed it by being obtuse?

There's got to be more to it than that.

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