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Fluue
Jan 2, 2008
Likely getting an offer on Monday from a company that, based on the interviews and discussions with people ranging from their CISO and Director of Engineering, is growing rapidly (e.g. 64 people in division I'll be joining, planning to double next year. Overall company is ~500 with further projected growth).

worried this company could be a case of "candle that burns twice as bright burns half as long" and be laid off in a year (i have a cushion of living expenses, so that is not my worry. job hunting just sucks).

the product seems solid and work is all remote, plus i'd be able to have a dual-role of sec-ops + software dev. i've never evaluated offers from companies growing so quickly, though.

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qhat
Jul 6, 2015


Projected growth is utterly meaningless without facts on their financial health, which I hoped you asked them about.

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Slippery Tilde

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

bay area still has better weather
- whether you can find a place to live
- whether you'll be outcompeted for a job

Progressive JPEG
Feb 19, 2003

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

bay area still has better weather

only 10 days a year that you need to breathe through a face mask

champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER


Belize has even better weather.

Fluue
Jan 2, 2008

qhat posted:

Projected growth is utterly meaningless without facts on their financial health, which I hoped you asked them about.

I will be asking them once I get an offer. The projected numbers definitely mean nothing, just not sure if jumping in with a company growing so quickly is even a good idea .

AWWNAW
Dec 30, 2008

lol I can barely handle the stress of interviewing once or twice a year, forget multiple interviews in a month

prisoner of waffles
May 8, 2007

Ah! well a-day! what evil looks
Had I from old and young!
Instead of the cross, the fishmech
About my neck was hung.
maybe some day I'll leave the skill/industrial niche that I've made my career in so far, but probably not with the next move and I think I'm done changing jobs for a few years after that

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

bay area still has better weather

if you're some kind of lizard that sleeps on hot rocks maybe. I like snow and thunderstorms

Nomnom Cookie
Aug 30, 2009



wish i was a lizard sleeping on a hot rock. then go eat bugs and chill in a hole. no worries just lizarding 24/7/365

Hunter2 Thompson
Feb 3, 2005

Ramrod XTreme

Kevin Mitnick P.E. posted:

eat bugs and chill in a hole

yo

call me

Double Bill
Jan 29, 2006

Congrats you've graduated from "interviewing is garbage" to "wish I was a lizard"

toiletbrush
May 17, 2010
I just updated my CV for first time in 4 years and sent it over to the lead who quit early this year who I ended up replacing, and who's been trying to poach me for ages.

Now I'm super nervous because if his place asks me in for an interview, it'll be my first proper interview in 8 years and I feel like I'll let dude down if I gently caress it up. I want to get some interviews I care about less first to get some practice in because I've got a horrible feeling it will be a train wreck if its my first, if only due to nerves and lack of practice.

Pie Colony
Dec 8, 2006
I AM SUCH A FUCKUP THAT I CAN'T EVEN POST IN AN E/N THREAD I STARTED
use sites like interviewing.io / pramp to practice

PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016


:cheers:


graph posted:

seeking candidates for a new thread title

'interviewing and recruiting is garbage'

i think people itt are regularly losing sight of why this thread was made in the first place

TimWinter
Mar 30, 2015

https://timsthebomb.com
"The team liked you but we're not mature enough as a company..."

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

TimWinter posted:

"The team liked you but we're not mature enough as a company..."

is there a translation of this that isn't "we're incredibly cheap" or "we won't make payroll this month"

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Slippery Tilde
I assumed it meant “you’re too old”

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

old = expensive usually

Nomnom Cookie
Aug 30, 2009



TimWinter posted:

"The team liked you but we're not mature enough as a company..."

mommy said no

Arcsech
Aug 5, 2008

TimWinter posted:

"The team liked you but we're not mature enough as a company..."

I dunno what the gently caress this is supposed to mean

but also it for sure means "you definitely don't want to work here"

Raluek
Nov 3, 2006

WUT.

Arcsech posted:

I dunno what the gently caress this is supposed to mean

but also it for sure means "you definitely don't want to work here"

i figure it means "we want young dumbasses who wont know how screwed they're getting, you seem to know whats up and we cant afford someone of your caliber"

so yeah what hobbes said

ShadowHawk
Jun 25, 2000

CERTIFIED PRE OWNED TESLA OWNER

TimWinter posted:

"The team liked you but we're not mature enough as a company..."
I think this means they perceive you as some sort of specialist or expert in something they don't want to bother with doing properly, like security or operations

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Raluek posted:

i figure it means "we want young dumbasses who wont know how screwed they're getting, you seem to know whats up and we cant afford someone of your caliber"

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


B players hire only Cs, etc. Don't work for Bs.

MononcQc
May 29, 2007

I could expect that kind of comment to be made as well from interviewing someone coming out of a big corp where they expect a lot of built-in support for things: a bunch of sysadmins, an ops team handling outages, dedicated QA folks, CI already in place, and so on.

If you're from a "just proved the model may work" and none of this exists and you're looking for someone to set up that poo poo and that the person you interview clearly does not want to do that type of grunt work, I could imagine saying "the company is not mature enough for your expectations"

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.



Rex-Goliath posted:

'interviewing and recruiting is garbage'

i think people itt are regularly losing sight of why this thread was made in the first place

to argue about where the best place to live is obviously

"finding a new job sucks so much we all decide to become lizards instead"

except me - I'm thinking food truck proprietor. and I've only been here a year and eight months :negative:

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually

REIGNING YOSPOS COSTCO KING
some helpful tips

https://twitter.com/dasharez0ne/status/1054037422089080838

PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016


:cheers:


Munkeymon posted:

except me - I'm thinking food truck proprietor. and I've only been here a year and eight months :negative:

if we ipo and i end up within sniffing distance of retirement-level gently caress you money i'm probably gonna give up tech entirely and do something like this, yeah

graph
Nov 22, 2006

aaag peanuts

TimWinter posted:

"The team liked you but we're not mature enough as a company..."

the best i ever got was 'you're a bit too cowboy'

the person they hired instead caused two huge sitewide failures in their first six months and i got a call back lol

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene
i once went to an interview for a 1 year contract at a small technology business (~500 employees), and on my way out the division VP wanted to shake my hand and said how thrilled he was I would be joining the team

a week later I got "we were looking for more of a soldier than a general"

lol

they must have balked at the cost

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

https://qz.com/1427621/companies-are-on-the-hook-if-their-hiring-algorithms-are-biased/

quote:

after an audit of the algorithm, the resume screening company found that the algorithm found two factors to be most indicative of job performance: their name was jared, and whether they played high school lacrosse. girouard’s client did not use the tool.
seems p accurate to me

EnergizerFellow
Oct 11, 2005

More drunk than a barrel of monkeys
I swear the old saw about Indian recruiters breathlessly spamming short-term contracts on unreasonable commutes is getting worse. I don't remember the last one I saw of 12+ months and like 95% of them are in Research Triangle or some 3rd tier market in the Northeast Corridor when I'm in Arizona.

HoboMan
Nov 4, 2010

just last week i added a filter for the words "resume", "contract", and "month" and if an email has all three it goes straight in the trash

raminasi
Jan 25, 2005

a last drink with no ice
I really like my current job and I was hoping they’d be able to give me enough of a raise to get me from “insultingly underpaid” to “within sniffing distance of market” but alas it appears to not be so and I’m gonna have to choose between continuing to be insulted and going back into the hellworld of job hunting

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

i think i lowballed myself on a "estimated salary" question and would still potentially be looking at a forty thousand dollar raise

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

raminasi posted:

I really like my current job and I was hoping they’d be able to give me enough of a raise to get me from “insultingly underpaid” to “within sniffing distance of market” but alas it appears to not be so and I’m gonna have to choose between continuing to be insulted and going back into the hellworld of job hunting

it's always like this

even if you are not insultingly underpaid the day you hire on, after a couple years elapse, you'll be back in that bucket again

Pie Colony
Dec 8, 2006
I AM SUCH A FUCKUP THAT I CAN'T EVEN POST IN AN E/N THREAD I STARTED
previously i asked how much of a dick i would be if i started working knowing i'd leave in 1-2 months if given the chance. on here and in real life pretty much everyone said "a big one."

is this better: accepting an offer, but drawing it out and pushing back on the start date knowing if i got another offer in 2-3 weeks i'd take it instead?

and remember this is keeping in mind that corporations are soulless and evil

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem
Do you actually have interviews and stuff lined up that you're expecting might make you an offer, or is it a super-vague "well what if a recruiter calls me out of the blue immediately after I've signed the contract" thing?

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KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



I had my third of four interviews thursday, it was a pair programming sort of session on coder pad where I had to get 21 tests to pass.

I got a buzzer beater and got them passing by the 61 minute mark. Killed it. it was a great journey going from overwhelmed to completely finish the task


Got word back today from the recruiter: 4th interview won't be happening, they won't be flying me out for the on premise inteview. They said that my approach wasn't TDD enough and that the solution wasn't clear until later in the session. Um.... okay. Guess I don't know how else to code when someone wants to watch me live stream a new problem for an hour. I ran the tests after every couple of line changes once I had my main pattern up, which took about 30-40 minutes, and used the failing tests to drive my further development to zone in on what I was missing to make those last couple of tests work. so seems pretty TDD to me


So i dunno, feel like the feedback was a little garbage and that i don't really agree with their reason to pass on a candidate that got the thing completely 100% done (which others haven't apparently) just because my path to the solution was windy at first. How the hell else am I supposed to find my way?


e: oh, the test was to take in numbers and convert them to roman numerals. I snagged a copy of it if anyone wants to try it - its in ruby.

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