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Pie Colony posted:previously i asked how much of a dick i would be if i started working knowing i'd leave in 1-2 months if given the chance. on here and in real life pretty much everyone said "a big one." Accept the offer, start getting paid asap, then leave when it's convenient for you. If you leave after 2 weeks or whatever, just tell 'em it wasn't a good fit or didn't fall in line with what you though you'd be doing. Just be sure you aren't going to owe them relocation bonuses or other crap before you actually hand in your notice. It would be pretty funny if you handed in your two weeks notice on your first day though.
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if you have more than 2 sets of interviews (one phone screen, one daylong onsite), my policy has been to walk away according to the glassdoor reviews on the companies i've walked away from, it's a deec policy
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Oct 24, 2018 01:27
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bob dobbs is dead posted:if you have more than 2 sets of interviews (one phone screen, one daylong onsite), my policy has been to walk away i had 6 rounds over four months at a big four. lol
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Oct 24, 2018 01:28
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That would be a good policy if op actually had another offer in writing, but it doesn't sound like they do. At least to me.
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Oct 24, 2018 01:28
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Jabor posted:Do you actually have interviews and stuff lined up that you're expecting might make you an offer, or is it a super-vague "well what if a recruiter calls me out of the blue immediately after I've signed the contract" thing? i have two onsites for Big Corps (see: slow corps) i'm in the process of scheduling, but i have to make a call on the other offers before they happen or at least definitely before i hear back e: for full context, i did mention i have offers, they are speeding me along, it still won't work out, the other companies are really bland but a decent amount of figgies Pie Colony fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Oct 24, 2018 |
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Oct 24, 2018 01:52
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Here's a better question: if your company went through financial trouble, how much of a dick would they be for kneejerk downsizing your job and leaving you high and dry Company to employee loyalty doesn't exist, so don't pretend that it should be any different the other way around. This is business, not a popularity contest.
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Oct 24, 2018 02:17
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You know how long it will take them to forget about you once your feet leave the office for good? Precisely 30 seconds, maybe less even.
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Oct 24, 2018 02:20
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qhat posted:Here's a better question: if your company went through financial trouble, how much of a dick would they be for kneejerk downsizing your job and leaving you high and dry i got lifo'd at the last startup job i'll ever work
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Oct 24, 2018 02:22
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qhat posted:You know how long it will take them to forget about you once your feet leave the office for good? Precisely 30 seconds, maybe less even. i had drinks with a dude who i quit on a few years ago. i was first employee w/ him. we were legit chillin those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind
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Oct 24, 2018 02:23
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qhat posted:You know how long it will take them to forget about you once your feet leave the office for good? Precisely 30 seconds, maybe less even. Unless you use your personal credentials for automation, in which case it will take all day to forcefully scrub your existence from the servers.
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Oct 24, 2018 03:37
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I work with a guy who quit a job on the first day (tbf he was a consultant) he said “I asked for and require xyz to do my job” and they said “well you can’t have that” so he was like: see ya
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Oct 24, 2018 04:07
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A guy hit and ran us about 6 months ago, wouldn't be able to remember the fucker's name if I tried.
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Oct 24, 2018 05:51
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KoRMaK posted:I had my third of four interviews thursday, it was a pair programming sort of session on coder pad where I had to get 21 tests to pass. it seems like if you got the solution down and they got it in the end it just amounts to "you didn't solve it exactly my way which is objectively the best way so gently caress you" some ruby people are absolutely insane about TDD, if you're all that interested in this approach you should check some bozos on youtube solving this kinda problem "TDD-style". it's an absolutely ridiculous approach imo but hey. when I get feedback about why I got rejected in these coding sessions it's usually bullshit like "your code is good but you got 2 lines over 79 characters" or "actually the correct solution was recursion" so you better get used to it, interviewing is garbage and all that.
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Oct 24, 2018 07:22
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TimWinter posted:Unless you use your personal credentials for automation, in which case it will take all day to forcefully scrub your existence from the servers.
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Oct 24, 2018 07:24
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two jobs ago we had multiple (2-3) people over the course of 6 months quit within the first week as a result of senior leadership selling the company and roles as something they weren't. the rest of us employees smiled and secretly acknowledged that they were the lucky ones since that was a trash organization. godspeed hit-and-runners
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Oct 24, 2018 12:11
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Feisty-Cadaver posted:I work with a guy who quit a job on the first day (tbf he was a consultant) "Well you can't have VCS"
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Oct 24, 2018 12:17
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Symbolic Butt posted:"actually the correct solution was recursion" so you better get used to it, interviewing is garbage and all that. I did use recursion! it revealed itself to me as the solution around the 20 minute mark after I wrapped my head around all the dumb cases that roman numerals have. It's actually just one dumb rule, applied over and over! Yea when the recruiter said I wasn't tdd enough my head exploded. It also makes me wonder what daily life is like there, and is there a huge gap in my programming knowledge and there are places that do the crazy tdd-masterrace sort of programming that I will just never even get a glimpse of? Basically the feedback sounded like bullshit but also triggered my impostor syndrome Or maybe the rejection was just bullshit i have no idea!
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Oct 24, 2018 13:50
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Diva Cupcake posted:two jobs ago we had multiple (2-3) people over the course of 6 months quit within the first week as a result of senior leadership selling the company and roles as something they weren't. the rest of us employees smiled and secretly acknowledged that they were the lucky ones since that was a trash organization. godspeed hit-and-runners this seems to be my experience now, except i guess it is not so blatant, because more than half a year in i am only now converging on the conclusion that: 1) they really do believe that asking for market rate pay means "you're just here for the money" 2) stock options might as well be a fart in the sky - by the time the program has started the company might not as well exist 3) senior leadership simultaneously wants advanced software and seem to think they know what they are talking about, but also seems to think c++ skill with a language automatically means skill with any given library or framework, and has no concept at all about what a software development process actually looks like be i can take 1 and 2, but 3 means that i am in a position where i must justify my salary through a rube goldberg process of telepathically understanding what is actually needed, proposing a solution spec complete with planning and a business plan how it will make the company money, and then maybe i get a raise having typed this out, it seems to be time to hit the interview road again
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Oct 24, 2018 13:51
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Diva Cupcake posted:two jobs ago we had multiple (2-3) people over the course of 6 months quit within the first week as a result of senior leadership selling the company and roles as something they weren't. employers lying about the company and role: a very good reason to never be interviewing with fewer than 2 companies
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KoRMaK posted:Yea when the recruiter said I wasn't tdd enough my head exploded. It also makes me wonder what daily life is like there, and is there a huge gap in my programming knowledge and there are places that do the crazy tdd-masterrace sort of programming that I will just never even get a glimpse of? Basically the feedback sounded like bullshit but also triggered my impostor syndrome they're tdd zealots who code in ruby and don't hire based on problem-solving skill. if they had hired you, I guarantee that within a day of starting you would want to murder suicide the lot.
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Oct 24, 2018 15:05
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I love ruby, I daily it, but at my shop I didn't get into the zealot sort of evangelical nature of it. Seems like the community hamstrung itself and got the language a bad rap with that. smalltalk also sounds like it would have been cool to program in in like 1989
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Oct 24, 2018 15:13
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a Facebook recruiter hit me up yesterday. how do I tell her that everyone hates them and their stock is not going anywhere and I would be ashamed to work there, but also if you give me a fuckton of money and everything I want I’ll consider it?
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Oct 24, 2018 15:40
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that sounds like most companies in the world. just say yes to the phone screen.
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Oct 24, 2018 15:48
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The Management posted:a Facebook recruiter hit me up yesterday. how do I tell her that everyone hates them and their stock is not going anywhere and I would be ashamed to work there, but also if you give me a fuckton of money and everything I want I’ll consider it? you only say the last part
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Oct 24, 2018 15:48
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My buddy at Facebook makes enough dosh that he could probably retire after working there for just a few years.
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Oct 24, 2018 15:51
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KoRMaK posted:I did use recursion! it revealed itself to me as the solution around the 20 minute mark after I wrapped my head around all the dumb cases that roman numerals have. It's actually just one dumb rule, applied over and over! roman numerals tdd is a known kata so they probably had some specific solution in mind they did you a favor
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Oct 24, 2018 16:38
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it’s actually worse than that, the company Kormac applied tonisn’t particularly tdd-heavy at all, the interviewers were just being goofy if it were “just” tdd zealotry I’d be less annoyed than I am right now 🤷♀️
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elite_garbage_man posted:Accept the offer, start getting paid asap, then leave when it's convenient for you. If you leave after 2 weeks or whatever, just tell 'em it wasn't a good fit or didn't fall in line with what you though you'd be doing. couple years ago we had a guy get hired and quit on the first day, didn't even bother with the two weeks i was one of the people who interviewed him, i was kind of 'well ok' on hiring but he indicated he knew and was friends with one of the other employees so i figured it would be fine and he probably just does interviews poorly, afterwards i checked with the person and they were 'what no i have no idea who that person was' so idk
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Oct 24, 2018 16:52
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got a phone screen coming up in about 3.5 hours, first ive had on this end since my last job search in 2013, might need a xanax not in 'serious hunting mode' just yet, sending one resume out at a time, but if this first one hits i wont exactly be disappointed
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Oct 24, 2018 16:58
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fritz posted:might need a xanax look, unless you literally start calling your interviewer racial slurs the worst thing that happens is you flunk the hell out of the interview, get rejected, and everyone involved forgets about it in less than a week. especially since you aren’t serious yet, gently caress it, why be nervous about anything? just take a deep breath, the worst thing that can reasonably happen is you have a bit of interviewing practice. you’re not even trapped on the phone, if you feel really awful and flub everything about it (which won’t happen) just say it isn’t working out and hang up. you don’t even have to walk out of an office
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Oct 24, 2018 17:42
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Achmed Jones posted:it’s actually worse than that, the company Kormac applied tonisn’t particularly tdd-heavy at all, the interviewers were just being goofy lookin forward to a pm! raminasi posted:roman numerals tdd is a known kata so they probably had some specific solution in mind I guess i should look at some though, just to brush up
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Oct 24, 2018 17:46
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jit bull transpile posted:if you're some kind of lizard that sleeps on hot rocks maybe.
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Oct 24, 2018 17:58
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a bed w/ hot rocks sounds pretty nice
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Oct 24, 2018 17:59
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Programming trivia is pointless for interviews yet it's amazingly common. Just give them a real problem from your job you solved recently, like a tricky bug or something.
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Oct 24, 2018 18:30
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our lead architect’s interviews are terrible, like 60-70% is on c# trivia and minutiae. extension methods, null propagation, pattern matching, that kind of thing. the kind of poo poo that a competent mostly-java dev could be shown twice and remember, but flame out spectacularly on an interview
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Arcsech posted:look, unless you literally start calling your interviewer racial slurs the worst thing that happens is you flunk the hell out of the interview, get rejected, and everyone involved forgets about it in less than a week. especially since you aren’t serious yet, gently caress it, why be nervous about anything? update: phone screen went great, then went back to current job chat room and im being yelled at for a segfault that i dont think is mine, gonna take that xanax anyway
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Oct 24, 2018 20:40
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fritz posted:update: phone screen went great, then went back to current job chat room and im being yelled at for a segfault that i dont think is mine, gonna take that xanax anyway
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fritz posted:update: phone screen went great, then went back to current job chat room and im being yelled at for a segfault that i dont think is mine, gonna take that xanax anyway fair e: i hope you get the job, your current one sounds lovely
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Oct 24, 2018 22:25
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KoRMaK posted:I love ruby, I daily it, but at my shop I didn't get into the zealot sort of evangelical nature of it. Seems like the community hamstrung itself and got the language a bad rap with that. small talk went straight from painfully slow, to painfully obscure. I’m not sure there was ever a “fun” period
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Places that do one-sided video interviewing should die in a fire. Even if it's a gangbang, at least do me the common goddamn courtesy of picking one of the interviewers as a face so I have a loving human being to interact with rather than you fuckers all silently judging whether I'm young enough based on my hairline as I stare sullenly into the inky blackness of my screen.
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