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the choice to hire somebody was the critical budget decision whether that somebody costs $50k or 100k or $200k hardly matters at all, unless you work for a pathetically tiny business
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gazpacho, i know how much it sucks to be unemployed. and the logic of this poo poo really blows 99% of candidates are a complete loving waste of time, and employers rely on terrible heuristics to eliminate as many candidates as possible before wasting time on the remainder some heuristics work well and some poorly, but it always sucks to be trapped on the wrong side of the heuristic
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Nov 30, 2018 20:59
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sometimes i think tech has an especially lovely "wrong side of the heuristic" hence all the depression itt sometimes i feel like i choose the incredibly wrong career path
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Nov 30, 2018 21:00
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or you're just seriously depressed and comparing notes with a parasocial support group of similarly depressed folks engaged in the same line of work there are no really great jobs. they call it a job because they have to pay you to do it. as jobs go, software is pretty fuckin good. high pay, low chance of injury, reasonable hours, good benefits, reasonable job security, etc you could be just as miserable in a hundred other careers, but be making less money and worried about making rent on top of all the normal poo poo that bothers you
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have like 4 coding challeneges over the next couple of weeks. I'm pretty tempted to just output "checkout my sound cloud" and hit submit on this first one.
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Nov 30, 2018 21:28
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:this is also a common ploy that won't work for two seconds I’ll be honest, I got hired right out of college and have been at the same place for 10 years, so I don’t know what works and what doesn’t, but I do have to scan over CVs and I know what doesn’t tickle my fancy.
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CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:I’ll be honest, I got hired right out of college and have been at the same place for 10 years, so I don’t know what works and what doesn’t, but I do have to scan over CVs and I know what doesn’t tickle my fancy. ah, guy who has had exactly one job is militant about only hiring people exactly like him e: obviously I’m saying this poo poo in the middle of a great job market for tech people, and gaps will be more serious when the market changes. still it’s pretty hilarious that anyone with any gap is Just Not An Option for you even now. Tetramin fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Dec 1, 2018 |
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Dec 1, 2018 00:46
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I was unemployed for 2 years before I got my current job. I regularly interview and recommend people out of work who apply if they have the skills. Sadly I'm pretty deep into the chain as a technical employee so yeah as nbsd said if I get your resume you've already made it through the hardest part of the sorter
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Dec 1, 2018 01:05
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Tetramin posted:ah, guy who has had exactly one job is militant about only hiring people exactly like him swim with the fishes
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Dec 1, 2018 01:38
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My wife took a year off to focus on writing and taking a data science class after being entirely burned out at Google. She had no problem lining up interviews and getting in persons, but it did take her awhile to get an offer. I don't think it was the year off though, if it was why would they bother bringing her in. At any rate, it worked out for her, but we're in Seattle where the market is hot. I'm considering taking some time off myself... I took a job recently and have been regretting my decision big time, I don't think its gonna work out. I wanna take a little time to focus on my own ideas since she's got a job again.
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Dec 1, 2018 01:42
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Tetramin posted:ah, guy who has had exactly one job is militant about only hiring people exactly like him whats the typical downside for binning a resume? nothing? yeah you might get yelled by downstream but you can cover that with "sorry its all poo poo didn't want to waste your time". the downside of passing people on is getting yelled at for wasting peoples time on interviewing dipshits
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im not saying its a good thing that incentives are lined up for the first guy to look at a resume to lean very strongly towards throwing it out, but they are
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I legit do 1099 work. When i was unemployed for 7 months a few years ago, I put the 1099 stuff on my resume. I never got any pushback from it.
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Cold on a Cob posted:that's a good question, how much of a gap do y'all consider "safe"? I took 9 months off to do just that and I struggled to get in the front door at a lot of places when I came back. Just be prepared for a prolonged job hunt, many HR and recruiter will assume you are broken goods with a large gap, but it's okay because at the end of the day you're not and you only need to succeed at one interview to be able to go to work everyday.
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Dec 1, 2018 02:36
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One really frustrating thing about being unemployed and interviewing honestly was having absolutely zero leverage in negotiations. You know you're broke, they know you're broke, and they'll drat well use it to their full advantage. The flipside is that you get to stick it to them when you leave a major project at a critical time because another employer valued your labor much more.
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Ciaphas posted:yeah, sorry y'all i read your cv, you have been writing c# and c++ - learning php and javascript will absolutely not be a problem for you ever as you will spend more time on thinking "how the hell does anyone trust their business on this technology" while your coworkers merrily commit the 97182th npm dependency to the repo javascript is the language scared man children hold on to because they can not handle anything more complicated while the relative abundance of bandwidth and CPU means that they can make it look like they are achieving something more than what a computer could already do 20 years ago as for jobs, currently there is only one thing that gets a hard nope from me and that's if the company is into blockchain - if i was unemployed or badly hurting in my job i would not blink an eye to join mt gox even as newspapers show mark in handcuffs anyway don't bring yourself down and keep on applying 
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i suppose my question while i wait for a chance to practice is, how i should present myself if i somehow end up interviewing over a skill i'm not familiar with practice, sure, can and do, but that only goes so far in an interview, i already know that much suppose i can leave that question for later, really
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Ciaphas posted:i suppose my question while i wait for a chance to practice is, how i should present myself if i somehow end up interviewing over a skill i'm not familiar with present yourself as a novice and work through the problem, dumbass by the time you get down to the interview, all the problems are interpersonal -- can you talk to these people about what you're sweating, how you think about the problem, and do they think you're getting at the heart of the thing? in general, all problems at the interview are things you can manage if you are vaguely competent, given enough opportunities
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don't ever worry about "interviewing" on a weak skill. you wing it, and you see what happens. sometimes what happens is actual, bona fide, synergy. sometimes your strong skills are vastly more valuable in combination with a weak skill than they would have been in the inverse configuration!
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Ciaphas posted:i suppose my question while i wait for a chance to practice is, how i should present myself if i somehow end up interviewing over a skill i'm not familiar with before the interview you usually do know what the position is going to be, so i would try to imagine and do some research on how the company's stack is likely set up in the example of a web app company doing javascript, you probably get some hints of what framework they use because they no doubt will list it as one of the requirements (vue.js, node.js, react.js, etc.), so now you can try and imagine how the stuff is put together, frontend/backend+database, or some cloud services thrown in the mix. even if you don't grasp it all technically, just taking a glimpse on some tutorials or articles about the tech they use, look up what is a REST API, etc. definitely be ready with algorithms, data structures and general software architecture sort of talk because this is universal for all languages - if they ask how would you do $thing in javascript, start off by mentioning that you're not entirely sure about the framework they use, but based on your c# experience it would go like this (sortedset, linq, serialize etc.) but stress the fact that instead of SortedSet you would find the best equivalent for a sorted unique data structure, instead of linq you say how you would query the result so it's not a mess to figure out later, and serialization is already a language agnostic concept and last but not least, i find honesty is the best policy and i usually just say i don't know instead of bullshitting, but i do always try to follow it up by "i imagine should go something like this, because ..." and then explain
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oh and tattoo the questions in the OP inside your eyelids because they are really good and will impress people
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:present yourself as a novice and work through the problem, dumbass
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in an industry whose original puzzle interview format got thrown out only recently (and still probably not universally) and whose real intention, interviewer conscious of it or not, was to see if you could confidently bullshit right to their faces and have them buy it, I don’t think openly saying “I don’t know” is a good idea “Sounds like you’re giving up brah, not curious enough, not driven enough, not Stanford material enough”
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can I get a gut check on my pending role switch and how turboboned im potentially going to be in a few years’ time? im switching from mainframe development (cobol) to data engineering (read: oracle dev). the new role isn’t going to be sql dev 100% of the time and I should be able to do aws stuff if i push for it. my concern is going from incredibly specific toolset to another incredibly specific toolset and my resume is going to wind up looking like I only deal with dead or dying vendor locked environments.
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Phone posted:my concern is going from incredibly specific toolset to another incredibly specific toolset and my resume is going to wind up looking like I only deal with dead or dying vendor locked environments. sounds like this is already the case
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Phone posted:can I get a gut check on my pending role switch and how turboboned im potentially going to be in a few years’ time? This sounds fine, there's plenty of demand for good sql devs and will be for a long time. It's the cobol of the 21st century so is appropriate really. I don't get postings asking for 5+ years of professional cj experience AND a degree in cj'ing. what does it add?
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lancemantis posted:in an industry whose original puzzle interview format got thrown out only recently (and still probably not universally) and whose real intention, interviewer conscious of it or not, was to see if you could confidently bullshit right to their faces and have them buy it, I don’t think openly saying “I don’t know” is a good idea you're wrong
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lancemantis posted:in an industry whose original puzzle interview format got thrown out only recently (and still probably not universally) and whose real intention, interviewer conscious of it or not, was to see if you could confidently bullshit right to their faces and have them buy it, I don’t think openly saying “I don’t know” is a good idea bullshiting about something is way way worse than being able to admit you don't know (which is itself a positive!)
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Phone posted:can I get a gut check on my pending role switch and how turboboned im potentially going to be in a few years’ time? cobol is just as "alive" as oracle pl/sql both are "legacy" technologies in the sense that people loving hate the vendors (microfocus, peoplesoft, and oracle) ... but they ain't gonna phase them out this decade it's ok to have a resume filled with dying vendor-locked environments as long as they're reasonably popular. don't become an intersystems caché specialist and you'll be ok
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lancemantis posted:in an industry whose original puzzle interview format got thrown out only recently (and still probably not universally) and whose real intention, interviewer conscious of it or not, was to see if you could confidently bullshit right to their faces and have them buy it, I don’t think openly saying “I don’t know” is a good idea well yes, dipshit, don't blurt out "i don't know" and sit there like a stone that is 100% definitely the wrong response. you have to work the problem. it is ok to admit the problem is not one that you are familiar with. it's ok to fumble. people want to see you do your thing, whether or not you're good at the specific fuckin turd they dumped on your plate today
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qhat posted:I took 9 months off to do just that and I struggled to get in the front door at a lot of places when I came back. Just be prepared for a prolonged job hunt, many HR and recruiter will assume you are broken goods with a large gap, but it's okay because at the end of the day you're not and you only need to succeed at one interview to be able to go to work everyday. yeah i definitely wasn't thinking 9 months, i was thinking more like 2 months off and then start looking. but i'm changing my mind. i'm about to hit my peak earning years so time to really put in the hours
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it depends on what kind of people are interviewing you. I've had dudebro interviewers flexing their amazing fizzbuzz bikeshedding skills. but I also had nice interviewers who legit just wanted to see me fumble trying to reason a problem (not necessarily if I was able to solve the problem in their gimmicky way) one tell on this is the way they introduce the question, usually the nice people make an effort for you to not feel nervous "it's ok, don't sweat the details" that kind of stuff some people do the complete opposite, they go the other way to make you feel intimidated
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one year of unemployment made me notice this clear distinct pattern on interviewers, you gotta read them a bit and choose between being sincere or bullshitting your way through accordingly
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yeah that's the part i'm stinky at and why i asked last night: I suck royally at reading people because I'm generally just anxious workin past that but in the meantime i'm on the back foot and asking dumb questions 
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lancemantis posted:“ not Stanford material enough” the deeper we get into this eternal 2018 the more i think an old boss of mine was right about never even interviewing stanford graduates
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:
somehow intersystems is coming back to haunt me and has somehow ended up as a prospective customer for my current employer. i can never escape. the ability of government funding for healthcare tech to prop up poo poo that should have been discarded years ago amazes me
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Ciaphas posted:yeah that's the part i'm stinky at and why i asked last night: I suck royally at reading people because I'm generally just anxious just try your best to get started with face to face stuff - i guarantee over time you will get better not only at reading people but simply gaining confidence and experience
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I like crushing the interviewees’ hand during the handshake and then berate them whenever they screw up the most minute detail.
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never show any weakness during an interview or I will loving eat you
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Kevin Mitnick P.E. posted:whats the typical downside for binning a resume? nothing? yeah you might get yelled by downstream but you can cover that with "sorry its all poo poo didn't want to waste your time". the downside of passing people on is getting yelled at for wasting peoples time on interviewing dipshits The downside is that someone who is good at their job (which is rare) works for your competitor, not you. Sorry if this isn't enough incentive for you.
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