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feedmegin posted:Edit: in more 'the world isn't NYC' news lol at getting paid 80k as a junior in most of the US btw. my first job paid $55k to new hires with a relevant degree. that was many years ago in the midwest, and we were very nearly the lowest-paying shop in town even if we ignore inflation, and we ignore the bottom-feeder status of that first employer, that's still double the median wage in america christ computer touchers are very well paid. if you can't manage to save money, or handle COBRA costs, what the gently caress?
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i had a google hangouts interview (with google) and messed it up :/ needed handholding which is bad but the thing im mad about is that i made a method return an optional of boolean for no reason instead of just a boolean. i set the return type wrongly at the beginning while figuring out exactly what the method needed to do and didnt revisit it later. im so bad at interviews poty fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Dec 3, 2018 |
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poty posted:i had a google hangouts interview (with google) and messed it up :/ don't beat yourself up 1. normal people won't care about a mistake like that. 2. google is famous for having a stupid interview process you can be quite good at interviewing and still make no headway at google because they admit they don't know how to do this
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Dec 3, 2018 17:09
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:my first job paid $55k to new hires with a relevant degree. that was many years ago in the midwest, and we were very nearly the lowest-paying shop in town it’s gotten worse. 55k was how much i made straight out of school in DC. don’t get me wrong it’s still much better than almost everyone else but the trend is moving in the wrong direction
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:my first job paid $55k to new hires with a relevant degree. that was many years ago in the midwest, and we were very nearly the lowest-paying shop in town being comparatively well paid doesn't make you immune to weird accidents or other unforeseen misfortunes that might befall you or your family, and a rainy day fund will only last so long. this applies to even well paid white collar workers. sure, if you're in the absolute top income brackets in nyc, seattle or california, you likely make such bizarre amounts of money that this is a non-issue after you've been in the trade for a few years, but that's far from every computer toucher. someone making $80k isn't taking home that much more than they would in, say, scandinavia, but they're far more vulnerable to a few unlucky breaks.
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Dec 3, 2018 17:35
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TheFluff posted:someone making $80k isn't taking home that much more than they would in, say, scandinavia, but they're far more vulnerable to a few unlucky breaks. sorry bud i'm not buying what you're selling
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Dec 3, 2018 17:55
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white collar workers are much, much better protected against a sequence of unlucky breaks than average americans if you can't make it work on $55k a year w/ full bennies in the u.s., you would find a way to be broke and miserable anywhere, with any safety net
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Dec 3, 2018 17:58
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sure you're making $80k, but WHAT IF YOU DIED?
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:white collar workers are much, much better protected against a sequence of unlucky breaks than average americans for now
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CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:sure you're making $80k, but WHAT IF YOU DIED? as a computer toucher, your employer even covers this average americans get death benefits from the federal government. better than nothing, but they are usually very meager. as a fancy software weenie, your private employer typically has a very generous group life insurance plan. so when you die your family is taken care of to a much better extent than the government plan alone would allow
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Pollyanna posted:for now well no one can see the loving future, pollyanna. (jesus what a username/post combo) you can also talk about european social democracy on a "for now" basis. what if their politics grow even more horrible and toxic than today? you can talk this way but it's not very productive since you can't plan a life around the collapse of institutions
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:white collar workers are much, much better protected against a sequence of unlucky breaks than average americans yes this is not the same as “immune”
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as another counterpoint to this thread: my wife can pull more than I do some years, has better rights and representation, and has a much nicer interview process also a likely more diverse workforce the only downside she has vs my mode of employment is fewer prospective firms to work for, but she can pretty much walk into a job in any of them and the worst thing she'd have to deal with on any regular basis is pretty vanilla workplace politics for which she often has real recourse
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Dec 3, 2018 18:17
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basically working in a field with standards and unions owns is what I'm saying
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Dec 3, 2018 18:18
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raminasi posted:yes well europeans with "generous" social safety nets aren't "immune" to trouble, either. you lose your fancy job in denmark, you might lose your house -- just like the united states. unemployment benefits are capped -- just like the united states. the point of all of this is that being a computer toucher in the united states is a very, very fine situation. the equal or superior to similar jobs in countries with better standards of living for ordinary people being a computer toucher means your money and employer and the government all protect you to a better extent than regular joes
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Dec 3, 2018 18:26
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should i send a thank-you-for-the-interview-note mentioning that i realize i messed up in this couple of places in the code or should i just let it be
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Dec 3, 2018 18:48
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lancemantis posted:basically working in a field with standards and unions owns is what I'm saying this sounds cool!
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Dec 3, 2018 18:50
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poty posted:should i send a thank-you-for-the-interview-note mentioning that i realize i messed up in this couple of places in the code or should i just let it be doesn't hurt to send a note but i wouldn't mention awkward mistakes
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Dec 3, 2018 18:57
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https://github.com/EnterpriseQualityCoding/FizzBuzzEnterpriseEdition here's a good example of the kind of code you should be producing during interview questions
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https://aphyr.com/posts/341-hexing-the-technical-interview
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lol this owns
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That's great
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Just got sent a technical test which had zero overlap with the job ad or my cv. It wasn't even a bad test, short with no algorithms bullshit, it was just for a completely different job!
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Dec 4, 2018 14:17
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thats because the requirements of the project you'd be working on changed between now and the last time you talked to them
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Dec 4, 2018 15:12
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CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:thats because the requirements of the project you'd be working on changed between now and the last time you talked to them Maybe if I apply again next week it'll be a cool project instead of boring enterprise data app 30.4
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I'm currently interviewing with Google and it's been a horrible experience. It seems like their recruiters / engineers / managers are constantly busy so every time I have to schedule an interview, it takes a couple of days for the recruiter to get back to me, and then a couple more days to find a date/time that fit, which is nearly always a week or two out. So far, I've had to go through one recruiter call, one technical pre-screen, one onsite (w/ four interviewers), one follow-up technical, and now I'm being asked to schedule another follow-up technical interview. At this point, I don't even care if I'm rejected - I just want it to be over with. Being in job limbo is killing me emotionally. I stopped practicing LeetCode questions because I wanted to know whether I got accepted/rejected before continuing, but now I'm thinking I've wasted precious studying time. If the company wasn't Google, I'd have told the recruiter the recruiter that I'm no longer interested a while ago. Finally, the worst part is that every time the recruiter has an update, she will send an ambiguous email saying she has feedback for me so I should call her, and then not be available when I try to call her. Like, just loving tell me what happened because the suspense sucks. ProSlayer fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Dec 4, 2018 |
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ProSlayer posted:I'm currently interviewing with Google and it's been a horrible experience. It seems like their recruiters / engineers / managers are constantly busy so every time I have to schedule an interview, it takes a couple of days for the recruiter to get back to me, and then a couple more days to find a date/time that fit, which is nearly always a week or two out. So far, I've had to go through one recruiter call, one technical pre-screen, one onsite (w/ four interviewers), one follow-up technical, and now I'm being asked to schedule another follow-up technical interview. At this point, I don't even care if I'm rejected - I just want it to be over with. Being in job limbo is killing me emotionally. I stopped practicing LeetCode questions because I wanted to know whether I got accepted/rejected before continuing, but now I'm thinking I've wasted precious studying time. If the company wasn't Google, I'd have told the recruiter the recruiter that I'm no longer interested a while ago. this was exactly my experience with google they sent me a very polite rejection note after several failed re-schedulings... and about three months after i had accepted another offer
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New pro strategy, give the active take home assignments you get from other companies to people who are interviewing at your current company, and then submit the good ones back upstream
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the pros just ship their RSA token to china
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JawnV6 posted:the pros just ship their RSA token to china somebody at one of my former employers actually did this by pointing a webcam at his rsa token. big public bank too.
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qhat posted:New pro strategy, give the active take home assignments you get from other companies to people who are interviewing at your current company, and then submit the good ones back upstream if i could hire anyone good then maybe i wouldn't be looking for a new job lol
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EnergizerFellow posted:somebody at one of my former employers actually did this by pointing a webcam at his rsa token. big public bank too. every consulting firm on earth does this
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:every consulting firm on earth does this true, but a bit different when it's some rando back office fte doing it in regulated finance.
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EnergizerFellow posted:true, but a bit different when it's some rando back office fte doing it in regulated finance. where do you think consultants make their money
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nbsd when we aregued before about paying candidates to do coding projects i think maybe we had very different coding projects in mind. "solve this small problem using a language you've coded in for years" vs. "build a hosted solution using AWS services that weren't mentioned until now, while following all best practices" (the latter is the one I just got)
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Gazpacho posted:nbsd when we aregued before about paying candidates to do coding projects i think maybe we had very different coding projects in mind. "solve this small problem using a language you've coded in for years" vs. "build a hosted solution using AWS services that weren't mentioned until now, while following all best practices" lol
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Gazpacho posted:nbsd when we aregued before about paying candidates to do coding projects i think maybe we had very different coding projects in mind. "solve this small problem using a language you've coded in for years" vs. "build a hosted solution using AWS services that weren't mentioned until now, while following all best practices" sounds like a coding challenge you should tell them to shove up their collective asses
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my last place had a take home of 'write some code that simulates an elevator' it worked p well in terms of providing a code sample and was actually pretty neat in terms of being as complicated as you wanted it to be and also in terms of being pretty clearly not a real project that they were just outsourcing to you
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This company’s def not trying to get production work out of me. the project is probably simple for the kind of omnitechnological rockstar that recruiters in the bay expect everyone to be. But it is atypically demanding and drat if I’m not going to write an invoice for the aws fees at least
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