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Penisface posted:i literally make less than I used to back in post soviet Eastern Europe on a 4 day work week. i never came to japan for the big paycheck or sweet working conditions, but this really does seem to be the standard here that you absolutely will be paid the least that is possible and you will be pressured and cajoled at every point to work overtime and devote yourself to the company and expect to receive nothing in return 
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Penisface posted:i literally make less than I used to back in post soviet Eastern Europe on a 4 day work week. i never came to japan for the big paycheck or sweet working conditions, but this really does seem to be the standard here that you absolutely will be paid the least that is possible and you will be pressured and cajoled at every point to work overtime and devote yourself to the company and expect to receive nothing in return had you never talked to anyone about japan before tearing off across the world?
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:had you never talked to anyone about japan before tearing off across the world? lol do you remember how many people tore off to be underpaid English teachers in Japan due to old gbs evangelism back in the aughts? I'll never forget the first woman goon to post that none of the work in Japan goons mentioned how much she'd be sexually harassed even by her literal child students. going Japan to be exploited is a proud goon tradition
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:had you never talked to anyone about japan before tearing off across the world? ok let's make two things clear - i am here because my partner works here and neither of us is japanese (or asian in general). i think it's called a trailing spouse? i came here knowing that the work culture situation is hosed up - what i assumed (wrongly) was that the pay is competitive with post soviet eastern europe and the difficulty is getting work done, not doing your best impression of constipation in order to look like you are working hard in the end i make enough to save nicely, i live a 15 minute bike ride from the office and japan does look good on the cv if all goes well next year i will make enough to save really nicely and live a 20 minute bike ride from the office (exercise is good for computer toucher health)
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Gazpacho posted:what comes across especially in the gbs salaryman thread is how stupendously antiproductive the whole thing is i have taken to recommending people not to study japanese too much if they wish to work in japan, because once you are fluent in the language, you are by definition also fluent in all the different etiquettes and protocols the japanese have, which in turn means that if you are on the bottom end of a hierarchy, you will have to play along with all the different layers of bullshit and abuse, and in the end you will get gently caress all in return because the japanese social contract applies to ethnic japanese thanks for playing i just wonder how long they think their machine keeps ticking along before it becomes obvious that man-butt-hours are a really bad measure of productivity
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Penisface posted:i just wonder how long they think their machine keeps ticking along before it becomes obvious that man-butt-hours are a really bad measure of productivity lol isn't their economy basically flatline? i think they already know but haven't figured out what they can do differently
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Cold on a Cob posted:lol isn't their economy basically flatline? i think they already know but haven't figured out what they can do differently i recall reading some news blurb saying "the central bank of japan promises that there will be inflation this year pinky swear" so i guess flatline is correct i think the olds in power know something is up, but just like in every other country, they do not do the responsible thing and let someone else have at it it also absolutely does not help that "boss is always right" is a very common thing
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investment bank interview update: after screwing up both the tests they asked me to take and confusing me and my references they're also pinning the blame back on me. great work bank
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bob dobbs is dead posted:its cuz they decide the pay situation based on ideology, not the market zizek voice: my god
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Arcsech posted:yep, this blows rear end. the only good version of this I’ve had was one where the interviewer asked me to have a dev environment set up ahead of time and screenshare my ide so I could deal with syntax bullshit the way I’m used to (ie let IntelliJ handle it) I did this when interviewing for my current job. two exercises, one trivial warmup (count number of distinct characters in a string) and one a bit more complex. was fine. didn't get anywhere close to finishing the second one within the time limit, much less getting it to compile, but the journey was clearly more important than the destination, because i got the job.
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Cold on a Cob posted:lol isn't their economy basically flatline? i think they already know but haven't figured out what they can do differently It's being doing pretty well recently (by developed country with declining population standards) and the unemployment rate is incredibly low, which in a normal country would make the "you should be grateful to even have this job" unconvincing
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Arguably the low unemployment makes the productivity numbers look worse than they should but everything I've read about the work culture makes it sound like they are correct
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I'm suddenly thinking of how the frat pack at theranos would paste ESPN articles into emails to make it look more like they were working and the pedo subcommander would spend all his time keeping an eye on peoples office hours the email thing sounds like something some salaryman would do to pass the time waiting for the boss to leave, because its bad to leave before the boss leaves, even though the boss is currently sleeping off last nights hangover at his desk
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also it looks like things are moving along for me to transition to working in another department at work, hopefully starting next year, and hopefully full time eventually if they'll have me 
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ADINSX posted:Is AWS as huge a cluster gently caress as I imagine it is? I have a call with a recruiter on Friday (preliminary stuff, he knows I'm not looking for a few months). All IaaS is a PaaS
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ThePeavstenator posted:All IaaS is a PaaS POSaaS
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lancemantis posted:I'm suddenly thinking of how the frat pack at theranos would paste ESPN articles into emails to make it look more like they were working and the pedo subcommander would spend all his time keeping an eye on peoples office hours I have previously seen coworkers paste articles into word/a text editor and read them there
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Schadenboner posted:POSaaS POSaSY NOsaSY
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The urban scenery in Japan is nice so is the scenery in the UK and in Italy don't actually live and work in any of those places
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Sapozhnik posted:The urban scenery in Japan is nice Doing p good as I self identify as a cat at https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2015/03/a-visit-to-aoshima-a-cat-island-in-japan/386647/
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Penisface posted:i just wonder how long they think their machine keeps ticking along before it becomes obvious that man-butt-hours are a really bad measure of productivity it "became obvious" decades ago. japan has never recovered from the 1991 crash nearly all of the shambling zombie firms from the 1980s are still lurching forward, carrying the same inflated debts and dumbass real estate investments, with no reform in sight mitsubishi tokyo is like the #1 or #2 bank in the world by assets under management, despite the entire mitsubishi conglomerate portfolio being poo poo, and despite nearly all of mitsubishi tokyo's non-corporate portfolio being hilariously overvalued tokyo real estate occupied by other corporate zombies standards of living are still quite high in japan so i guess it will keep on going, until something goes wrong enough to shake the electorate out of their torpor
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I've been at my first computer toucher job for almost two years now, and I am itching to leave. The benefits (except pay) are amazing and everyone is chill. However, the thought of being here until retirement really unnerves me. Also I don't really have a desire to learn CICS nor ISPF. So I applied to two different companies last week, with one giving me a coding assignment. I forgot how terrible I am at these things, so I guess I shall go through leetcode.
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mekkanare posted:I've been at my first computer toucher job for almost two years now, and I am itching to leave. The benefits (except pay) are amazing and everyone is chill. However, the thought of being here until retirement really unnerves me. Also I don't really have a desire to learn CICS nor ISPF. So I applied to two different companies last week, with one giving me a coding assignment. I forgot how terrible I am at these things, so I guess I shall go through leetcode. cics and ispf are going to remain popular long after you're dead
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:cics and ispf are going to remain popular long after you're dead Oh there is no doubt about that! The mainframe backend has uptime in decades. It's truly an amazing thing how talented the mainframe teams are here. I just would rather stick to being a user instead of a developer.
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initially i thought you were saying that everything except the benefits were good but now i realize i misunderstood they are not paying you so yeah, go get paid
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bank interview update: rejected by a computer
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:it "became obvious" decades ago. japan has never recovered from the 1991 crash this seems like a good description yeah, i think also the torpor is strengthened by the japanese belief that if all goes to poo poo they'll sonno joi again and close the shop for another 200 years the japanese quality of life is high as hell, so if you actually ignore the economy stalling and the impending demographic crisis then it actually is the luxury space communism in many respects, except yeah at some point the scales are going to tip from the job interviewing side you can almost watch it happening live - old japanese companies are all capitulating and making english-speaking teams; whole teams where only the boss is japanese and everyone else is chinese, etc. anyway the question i actually had is would anyone itt work for rakuten?
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ADINSX posted:Is AWS as huge a cluster gently caress as I imagine it is? I have a call with a recruiter on Friday (preliminary stuff, he knows I'm not looking for a few months). Cloud infrastructure is really good if you have any idea what you are doing at all and don't like doing server janitoring The issue is that aws releases a million billion new services a day and people think they have to use all of them so even simple apps become insanely complicated really fast unnecessarily. Of course I want an autoscaling group for my flask app with two concurrent users per day, what am I an amateur? I'm 99% sure some of the aws builds I've seen are as complicated as they are because some project manager was offended their entire app was going to exist in the free tier
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Boiled Water posted:bank interview update: rejected by a computer change your name to jared
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so uhhh, I just got a verbal offer from a place I guess this is where I should do a salary negotiation? the offer is already more then I ever expected to make in my entire life.
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hahaha japan sucks it’d be a cool place to visit but the culture and society are dismal the only redeemable thing japan ever did was some cool games Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 14:44 on Dec 19, 2018 |
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Pollyanna posted:hahaha japan sucks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZQyHJ7K_M0
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but they gave us World Order?
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Some of the take home tests I've seen are obscenely long, and are given super early in the interview process (before even speaking to someone!)
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Pollyanna posted:hahaha japan sucks cool post
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abigserve posted:Cloud infrastructure is really good if you have any idea what you are doing at all and don't like doing server janitoring Oh sorry, to clarify, the position would be at Amazon working on AWS (not sure what specifically, thats what the phone call is about). I've been using AWS for the last few months, and Google Cloud for a couple of years prior to that, so I'm familiar with being a user (and I'm a big fan of both), but are they so awesome to use because the fires are merely hid from users? (the answer obviously is yes, the critical question to me is, as a developer how much am I developing new features for services, or fixing bugs, vs actively putting out fires started by those services)
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did well on my phone technical interview today. pretty sure it will lead to onsite. unexpected levels of sweat coming for my clothes. edit: and the propranolol worked or maybe it was less stress cause it wasn't google. I think it was the meds though. KidDynamite fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Dec 19, 2018 |
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