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the song is "workin 9 to 5" not 8 to 5
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on the west coast that song goes “working 11:30 till eh... what a way to make deece figgies~~”
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Jan 3, 2019 23:48
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Infinotize posted:I will never change jobs again unless I don't have to do a coding test beyond fizzbuzz if i start making a dece 6 figgies extremely same
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Jan 4, 2019 00:00
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KidDynamite posted:if i start making a dece 6 figgies extremely same at Google you'll make at least that
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Jan 4, 2019 00:05
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serious though what kind of toxic culture has employees in the office at 8am the average adult isn't even awake at that point
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Jan 4, 2019 00:07
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ShadowHawk posted:serious though what kind of toxic culture has employees in the office at 8am the average adult isn't even awake at that point schools
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Jan 4, 2019 00:11
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ShadowHawk posted:serious though what kind of toxic culture has employees in the office at 8am the average adult isn't even awake at that point have you ever lived outside the bay area? most of the country is at work by 730 and doesn't leave until after 530. and then they may have another job after.
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Jan 4, 2019 00:17
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ShadowHawk posted:the average adult isn't even awake at that point lol what
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Jan 4, 2019 00:30
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is the average adult a college student to you?
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Jan 4, 2019 00:30
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The_Franz posted:schools
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Jan 4, 2019 00:31
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ShadowHawk posted:there's a reason just about every measurable thing improves when school start times are moved later in the day look at those goal posts fly
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Jan 4, 2019 00:49
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According to some study I googled, only 17% of working Americans sleep in until 8
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Jan 4, 2019 00:58
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ShadowHawk posted:serious though what kind of toxic culture has employees in the office at 8am the average adult isn't even awake at that point lol
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Jan 4, 2019 01:16
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my job starts at 930 but i show up at 10 and leave around 5 or 6 depending on my workload. sometimes i do a little work in the evening if i shove off early. west coast life.
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Jan 4, 2019 01:56
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DELETE CASCADE posted:According to some study I googled, only 17% of working Americans sleep in until 8 or they have to send their children to horribly early starting schools
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Jan 4, 2019 02:13
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my motivation for going remote isn't so much avoiding the office - in fact i think it's fairly important to have face to face experience regularly as well and i would love to have a nice office to not very far to go to. i think i want to go remote in order to a) distance myself from japanese working culture (i.e. i want my results to be measured, not my man-butt-hours), b) the pto system, which gives you around 10 days of pto, which is compensated with around 17 days of public holidays sprinkled around the year, but no easy way to change these days around so you can take a nice long vacation, and c) ideally i want to keep working the same job when my partner eventually chooses to switch jobs and therefore continents
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Jan 4, 2019 02:17
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ShadowHawk posted:yeah cuz they're all working at lovely places without flex time and using alarm clocks  flex time is a meager promise that can be taken back with a single pink slip, i would never rely on it
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Jan 4, 2019 02:33
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my kids wake up at like 6 every morning so i might as well get going to work
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Jan 4, 2019 02:33
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my core work hours are approximately 10 to 4
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Jan 4, 2019 02:37
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it's that fortune five hunnerd lyfe
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Jan 4, 2019 02:37
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:it's that fortune five hunnerd lyfe that's funny, the fortune 100 place i worked at forced us all into a 9~5 box and made us tally our hours
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Jan 4, 2019 02:51
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jit bull transpile posted:look at those goal posts fly he's not wrong but it doesn't really support his assertion either
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Jan 4, 2019 03:14
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ShadowHawk posted:serious though what kind of toxic culture has employees in the office at 8am the average adult isn't even awake at that point dude i wake up at 5am daily and i don't sign on to work until 9:30 i don't even have kids. i just live like this. it's good.
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Jan 4, 2019 03:24
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wait so there exist both morning people AND night owls?
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Jan 4, 2019 03:55
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i worked 7 am to 5pm today incl. lunch but i billed every one of those loving hours so it's a wash
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Jan 4, 2019 04:28
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i'm normally a morning person except when i'm in a shitload of pain like right now  probably because i worked too long today lol
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:the only thing that justifies your bloated american wages and standard of living is the high-bandwidth communication between you and the business stakeholders Notorious b.s.d. posted:there's just not that big a difference between a farm league programmer in kansas and a farm league programmer in ukraine. foreigners are not magically stupid because they weren't born in the u.s.a Part of it is amenable to culture within the teams and corporation. I've made long posts before in here about some advantages and scales for remote workers (i.e. devops giving you 24/7 coverage without anyone needing to work outside of business hours, good paper traces for most decisions and communications, and so on). The company I work for is actively trying to split some efforts across offices and even campuses because some of the core teams are so tightly knit with a culture of "local-only" information sharing that they found it became a blocker to scaling the organisation and the product further. You just can't keep going with 800+ developers and answering every technical question with "go grab person X from the third floor of building 2 who has worked on this for 12 years, they have the information", because person X from building 2 is spending 45 hours out of their 40 hours work week just acting as a bottleneck trying to answer a bunch of people's questions. If the building are close enough, this is not enough of a hindrance for people. They don't use chat, e-mail, or phone, because they're used to just grabbing people whenever. So what they're doing is moving them to offices further away in the city so that people create better divisions and clearer communication channels (through Conway's law) and actively make things less based on specific people and more on specific teams. At some point, some inklings of a remote culture can just start making sense. Maybe this does not apply to your workplace. Maybe it does. That's why it might be culture-specific. Notorious b.s.d. posted:it just makes so little economic sense to keep a remote office in a high cost of labor area A remote office is not a mandatory thing. Teams I've worked remotely with in the past included a majority of folks who worked either from home or from coworking spaces. A small satellite office would be open mostly when you'd end up with 3 or more devs who work remote and also want to work in an office. If you open an office for remote people first this is usually just part of a growth strategy once you have trouble hiring within one region because you've emptied part of the market. At some point you may just have hired all of the experts in X in the area and you either need to train new ones, or to find another place to hire them from. carry on then posted:sitting in total silence and isolation for 8 hours a day five days a week isn't fun, even if you have other things to do outside of that. you miss out on impromptu shoot the poo poo sessions, having lunch with someone, even just being able to walk over to someone and talk to them if you need to instead of reaching out over slack/webex/phone call. plus, being physically present allows you to possibly overhear things you otherwise wouldn't and not being there makes you feel more out of the loop I've done it for the last 8 years and I'm really fine with it. I do get to semi-frequently go to the office in-person (anywhere between one day every 2 weeks to one week every quarter based on the job and office). Other local friends I know who also work remotely will often meet at a common desk island at a coworking space. You end up basically making friends locally who work for different companies in that case, and so you can keep working together no matter who you work for. It's kind of neat. I didn't do it much though because I would get a lot of unexpected meetings and calls that were not amenable to that coworking space, but I go there a few days a month. Also I just enjoy working with no commute at all, while controlling the music, and having my own fridge and whatnot. Captain Foo posted:if you're going to listen to nbsd, 1) don't The core of it if you're too lazy to go look is that remote works well when a majority of the team goes remote, and/or when the on-site folks at least tend to do a lot of async comms. If the majority of the team is remote, you're likely to have a decent time. The higher the percentage, the better. You only go and work remote for a team that is >90% local if you're very used to it and know how to handle it. Ultimately, it's part of a personal choice. "Culture fit" can be used to turn away people who aren't an exact copy of you, but it can also point towards communication patterns and personal preferences. It's entirely fair to turn down a remote job because you hate the lonelier "office" life or can't stay motivated to work from home. It's also entirely fair to feel much better to work remotely. And some people love open plan offices where other hate them absolutely. They're all just preferences of the work environment.
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Jan 4, 2019 04:35
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At some point you realize that if you got part of your team local to high cost areas like the bay area but a majority of remote employees, it may be cheaper to fly locals out to some neutral city along with the rest of the remote folks, even if you need to rent an office space or meeting rooms for a whole week. It was nice, because we could just pick a different city every time according to what team members felt like visiting at that time of the year or weather. If you wanted, you could stretch the week-end a bit and just do touristy stuff without having to spend anything on plane tickets or most of your hotel stay or food.
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Jan 4, 2019 04:43
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jit bull transpile posted:have you ever lived outside the bay area? most of the country is at work by 730 and doesn't leave until after 530. and then they may have another job after. my office building in nz doesnt even open until 8am
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Jan 4, 2019 05:25
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Sniep posted:wait so there exist both morning people AND night owls? i'm a night owl but in the winter when you wake up and it's still dark out it's the most amazing thing you can get a lot of poo poo done, summer is loving hell for me though
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Jan 4, 2019 12:27
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I would work 9 to 5 if I could. 9 PM to 5 AM. Instead I take a state van, so my hours are set at 7 am to 4 pm. It is nice not having to drive downtown and find/pay for parking.
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Jan 4, 2019 14:20
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JawnV6 posted:you skip lunch? lol if you care about lunch hours. management doesn't count their lunch
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Jan 4, 2019 14:31
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akadajet posted:lol if you care about lunch hours. management doesn't count their lunch [img of a CEOs work week] Just make sure you have lunch with a coworker and talk briefly about something Or idk, maybe think about work at some point during lunch.
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Jan 4, 2019 16:11
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Achmed Jones posted:lol what yeaaah
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Jan 4, 2019 17:48
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jit bull transpile posted:have you ever lived outside the bay area? most of the country is at work by 730 and doesn't leave until after 530. and then they may have another job after. hosed up if true
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Jan 4, 2019 17:49
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I like turning up on the later side but not late enough that it annoys the boss. It's a fine balance.
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Jan 4, 2019 17:56
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jit bull transpile posted:have you ever lived outside the bay area? most of the country is at work by 730 and doesn't leave until after 530. and then they may have another job after. I get in around 9:30 and leave around 5:30
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Jan 4, 2019 17:58
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shaggar can't be in the bay area, nobody codes for windows there
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Jan 4, 2019 18:00
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i found out Boston works significantly earlier than NYC the hard way. New York you show up at 930 and work to 7. it’s generally based on the markets. now I’m in by 730 and out by 4 with the entire afternoon a coast.
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DELETE CASCADE posted:According to some study I googled, only 17% of working Americans sleep in until 8 'Wake up by 8' and 'at work by 8' are v different statements though.
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