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my company: this, but also documentationqhat posted:"we have no QA, developers are the QA team also"
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Progressive JPEG posted:still not clear on why you think you're obligated to sign this thing in the first place but you do you i guess i don't think i am obligated to sign it at all, and the last meeting made that clear. i decided just to try and see if they are actually willing to pay a severance so today i sent their document back with my own bespoke changes. after all this is what they actually told me to do - write the document so it's acceptable. i am not signing without a severance because if the company wishes to cover their rear end, then my rear end needs to be covered as well. right now the document is basically just me signing away my rights, there's not even a space for a signature from the company side so who do they think they are kidding really
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Jan 8, 2019 10:00
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Schadenboner posted:Well, walk in there swinging a big dick. Say “look, I like you guys but place X is offering me (whatever they’re offering plus, I dunno, 10-20%), let’s make this happen.” Yup. I’ve done this and it works Emphasize that you want to work for them. You’re saying that as long as they raise the price you’re as good as theirs. You can even phrase it so that you only expect them to match the other offer rather than beat it to drive the point home. PIZZA.BAT fucked around with this message at 12:51 on Jan 8, 2019 |
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Jan 8, 2019 12:47
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i work for a company with ~200 employees that is NOT a software/tech company, and even we have QA
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Jan 8, 2019 12:49
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Rex-Goliath posted:Yup. I’ve done this and it works Oh, yeah, that’s why you add 10-20% to what X is offering, you beat X’s price so they don’t have to.
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Jan 8, 2019 13:05
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qhat posted:"we have no QA, developers are the QA team also" We can avoid quality problems by writing good code *writes poo poo code*
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Jan 8, 2019 13:43
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Schadenboner posted:Oh, yeah, that’s why you add 10-20% to what X is offering, you beat X’s price so they don’t have to. I’ve had that backfire by asking for the competing offer. I told them to get hosed
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Jan 8, 2019 13:57
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Double Bill posted:We can avoid quality problems by writing good code also us: fail fast, break things *never fixes thing*
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Jan 8, 2019 14:02
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Janitor Prime posted:I’ve had that backfire by asking for the competing offer. I told them to get hosed This is not a backfire, it’s a dodged bullet. That being said, pigs get fed and hogs get slaughtered: keep the ask at a level that’s at least, you know, conversant with reality.
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Jan 8, 2019 15:14
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Yeah IMO if you've got a better competing offer, don't go crazy with adding stuff on top, and if you do just frame it as a negotiating platform which can be haggled down. You've already got a lot of leverage by having an offer, you don't want to squander that because you got greedy. Your goal at the end of the day is to get the better employer to match it or maybe add anything at all extra on top.
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Jan 8, 2019 15:32
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Update: turns out I lowballed both of em. But I need the friggn job & will console myself that someone out there asked more and did t get it
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Jan 8, 2019 15:42
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Gazpacho posted:it's not code, its bad my biggest problem in my interviews and what leaves my career feeling stuck at $helljob is that $helljob meets almost every negative criteria in the OP, so when screening questions come up about what kind of organization/teams/environment I've worked in I... well, have to answer so e.g. i have no idea what agile is, why it's better than Ye Olde Waterfall, we're a team of 4 software devs with no organization, QA or plan (our 'lead' discovered VIsio a year ago), our ticketing/tracking is Rational Clearquest therefore useless and unused (so no Jira etc) and of course $helljob is indirectly for us air force so that's, great,
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Jan 8, 2019 16:03
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Ciaphas posted:my biggest problem in my interviews and what leaves my career feeling stuck at $helljob is that $helljob meets almost every negative criteria in the OP, so when screening questions come up about what kind of organization/teams/environment I've worked in I... well, have to answer quote:so e.g. i have no idea what agile is, why it's better than Ye Olde Waterfall,
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Jan 8, 2019 16:07
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Ciaphas posted:my biggest problem in my interviews and what leaves my career feeling stuck at $helljob is that $helljob meets almost every negative criteria in the OP, so when screening questions come up about what kind of organization/teams/environment I've worked in I... well, have to answer I haven’t talked about these things in these exact terms during interviews but I do have to talk about them and sugarcoating goes only so far. I see the flash of disgust and judgement from the interviewer when I name another tech that isnt the One True Tech used by their organization tldr: Gazpacho fucked around with this message at 17:09 on Jan 8, 2019 |
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Jan 8, 2019 16:38
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Schadenboner posted:This is not a backfire, it’s a dodged bullet. by this logic vps should be the first on the chopping block when firing I still agree with keeping it real, really what’s important is to know what you’re worth
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Jan 8, 2019 16:51
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boiled could you please take my interview suggestions out of the OP, they weren't intended for general consumption
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Jan 8, 2019 16:58
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well that place finally got back to me and : nope ngl its disappointing and i should apologize to my references i guess but oh well thats capitalism for ya baby
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Jan 8, 2019 20:58
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Gazpacho posted:boiled could you please take my interview suggestions out of the OP, they weren't intended for general consumption uh sure
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Jan 8, 2019 22:09
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Schadenboner posted:That being said, pigs get fed and hogs get slaughtered: keep the ask at a level that’s at least, you know, conversant with reality. N + 10% is always "conversant" with reality you live in a world where common inflation values range from 2 to 10 percent per annum, how do you imagine 10% is ever an unreasonable ask?
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Janitor Prime posted:I’ve had that backfire by asking for the competing offer. I told them to get hosed they might be asking for the offer just for proof that it's real or, they might be planning to visit your prospective employer and spray feces everywhere not worth taking that risk, however small
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Jan 9, 2019 07:03
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Gazpacho posted:Getting personally blamed and punished for the dysfunction at previous places I’ve worked has kicked my butt all through this job search. It’s my fault that the last company used an old java version; that amazon’s legacy systems from the 1990s weren’t using a current framework; that they lied to me about having unit tests for any of it; that the guy whose front end code I took over misapplied every technology he was given (I did approve him for hire but still...); that all the dbs were relational; using a vcs that wasn’t git, my fault if you were interviewing with me i would take all of those things as examples of you making the best of a bad situation, and being professional and constructive with the tools you have been given. if you have gotten negative reactions for not using the One True Tech or whatever then this is a sign that the interviewer is an immature idiot who does not know that sometimes legacy systems need to be maintained, deadlines and business reasons and clueless bosses with technology fetishes exist etc. i have always been up front in interviews and everyday work life when i do not know $thing, followed by an estimate of how fast i can get up to speed on learning it and a comparison of similar technologies/approaches i have used in the past or have knowledge of being used somewhere else (i.e. "uhh i dont know tensorflow but lets take 1-2 days to adapt a tutorial off the website for our data and see how it goes"). i think this is a good professional attitude to have and people who expect you to have answers to all the questions are best to be avoided in life, i.e. conside this a bullet dodged
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Jan 9, 2019 09:24
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:N + 10% is always "conversant" with reality my job search this time was triggered by being informed that i might get a 5% raise next year. sure this is japan where inflation does not exist but still
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Jan 9, 2019 09:28
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Penisface posted:my job search this time was triggered by being informed that i might get a 5% raise next year. sure this is japan where inflation does not exist but still a 5% raise is a very, very good raise looking for a new job is a very different conversation with much bigger hikes
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Jan 9, 2019 16:16
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Penisface posted:my job search this time was triggered by being informed that i might get a 5% raise next year. sure this is japan where inflation does not exist but still “might”, also commonly known as wont
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Jan 9, 2019 16:40
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:a 5% raise is a very, very good raise not necessarily... sure if they do 5% every single year that quickly adds up, but my definition of "very, very good raise" would be "so much that even when i don't get another raise next year because 'uhh we just gave you one' i don't even care"... and 5% ain't that
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Jan 9, 2019 16:54
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DELETE CASCADE posted:not necessarily... sure if they do 5% every single year that quickly adds up, but my definition of "very, very good raise" would be "so much that even when i don't get another raise next year because 'uhh we just gave you one' i don't even care"... and 5% ain't that raises are traditionally given out annually annual raises will almost never advance your pay packet well ahead of inflation expect to change jobs
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Jan 9, 2019 16:55
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from another perspective, the entire reason that "looking for a new job is a very different conversation with much bigger hikes" is because so many companies consider 5% to be a "very, very good raise", yet won't balk at a 20% increase to hire your replacement when you leave
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Jan 9, 2019 16:56
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DELETE CASCADE posted:from another perspective, the entire reason that "looking for a new job is a very different conversation with much bigger hikes" is because so many companies consider 5% to be a "very, very good raise", yet won't balk at a 20% increase to hire your replacement when you leave it's human nature it has ever been thus, since the dawn of large organisations (in the olden days, before the modern model for the capitalist firm, they just didn't bother paying you at all, or paid you a starvation wage, and dared you to quit -- not like there was a shortage of barely-trained journeymen in your trade!)
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Jan 9, 2019 16:57
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the us annual inflation rate has been under 3% for a decade, right now it's barely over 2%. i do expect at least that much of a bump per year as a cost of living increase. if the company doesn't value me enough to do the minimum, or can't afford it, then you bet i'll start looking for a new job. i don't want to change jobs, but it's a seller's market out here in the valley... i don't feel like i'm asking for anything unreasonable given the circumstances
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Jan 9, 2019 17:02
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On the point of raises, 5% is good only if you haven't changed responsibilities significantly. If you're basically doing or going to be doing something very different within the same company, like moving into management or directorship, this requires a completely new salary rather than a raise.
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Jan 9, 2019 18:51
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i'm so bad at lying recruiter asked for my current salary, and I was like "oh around X-Y" where X was suitably inflated them: "no whats the number?" me: "uhhhh. um. the number? *pause*. X?"
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Jan 9, 2019 20:06
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gonadic io posted:i'm so bad at lying gently caress its not even a lie, just answer the question you want to talk about "salary is unrepresentative of my total compensation and rather than get bogged down comparing health plans and RSU's, we should just discuss tcomp"
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Jan 9, 2019 20:12
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You made the mistake of not refusing to talk about salary
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Jan 9, 2019 20:19
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qhat posted:You made the mistake of not refusing to talk about salary yeah. there's no reason to lie. just don't discuss things that don't move things towards your desired end-state
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Jan 9, 2019 22:17
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Penisface posted:if you were interviewing with me i would take all of those things as examples of you making the best of a bad situation, and being professional and constructive with the tools you have been given. if you have gotten negative reactions for not using the One True Tech or whatever then this is a sign that the interviewer is an immature idiot who does not know that sometimes legacy systems need to be maintained, deadlines and business reasons and clueless bosses with technology fetishes exist etc. 
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Jan 10, 2019 03:14
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Gazpacho posted:otoh you'd probably pass over me for the other candidate who went to some technical school that taught him the frameworks du jour I have a poetry degree and got a fancy job with nothing but vb6 and mumps as prior experience. I really think you overestimate how much quality companies give a gently caress about anything but problem solving skills and social skills. like, it seems like you've been pretty unlucky but I don't think that has anything to do with your skills, just that you've interviewed with places that had bad priorities.
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Jan 10, 2019 07:46
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Gazpacho posted:otoh you'd probably pass over me for the other candidate who went to some technical school that taught him the frameworks du jour i would like to think the interview features a part where we talk about solving a weird problem together and i would see that you show me how you start troubleshooting your way out of a totally unknown situation and the technical school dude hangs because for him there's always been a TA present for any questions because the one thing i recently can't stand is when someone comes to me with "hey this don't work" i ask "why?" they say "i don't know" and we go and backtrack and i see how the dude has not even managed to copy-paste the correct commands from the guide i wrote (4 steps maybe too much), not to mention of any pro-active googling of errors or loving anything feels good to leave this place next week
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Jan 10, 2019 10:54
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on site interview at 9 today. been up since 3:30. 
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Jan 10, 2019 11:41
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KidDynamite posted:on site interview at 9 today. been up since 3:30. Remember that if the first two rails of adderol don’t help you calm down the third one probably will! 
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on-site tech interview today. there's some stuff they know i don't know (that they said they would ask some questions around) that i've spent the past week studying, so i'm going to drop some basic concepts and hopefully frame it as "yeah i know i don't know this thing you require, but i'm really keen to learn and can learn really fast"
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