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qhat posted:What's the general strategy with RSUs, liquidate immediately once they vest? I don't really have any intention of holding on to EA stock for any longer than I have to. if you genuinely believe you have a leg up on wall st. and can see significant future growth that they can't then maybe you want to hold you probably don't though
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qhat posted:I think RSUs are withheld from me upon vesting to cover income taxes, so I don't think there's a huge tax problem for me unless I sell at a date that is later than "immediately". they get withheld yes but keep in mind that it can also mean that your actual paychecks are under withheld for your years earnings. my rsu income is what put me in the gently caress you bracket this year. just look up the formulas and double check that you'll have enough held aside. it might be different if you're based in Canada for this job too though.
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Feb 21, 2019 03:09
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jit bull transpile posted:yeah my last gig was 70k also and I got no bonus or stock of any kind. apple was a real upgrade but seeing the millionaire crew bragging up in here hosed with my head. i'm 4 hours' drive from madison and i started at 75, got a rank up promotion after 2 years to 95. no bonus (except a couple hundred/yr "growth-driven profit sharing" during years of contracting revenue) no stock probably wouldn't even get in the door at a FAANG e: at a legacy tech major, one of their smaller development sites, in a town of about 100,000 carry on then fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Feb 21, 2019 |
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Feb 21, 2019 03:12
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salary chat - i didnt really get into the software industry until uhh 5 years ago or so. worked a variety of lovely low-paying jobs in my 20s in computer-toucher-y fields topping out around, idk, 45k-50k/yr? my first software job was sdet at 60k, got a 20k raise after my first year, got another 20k raise the next year. company went out of business and i'm now fully remote out of a sf startup at 130k + options.
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Feb 21, 2019 03:16
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i got hosed in a way only oracle could gently caress someone with my first job out of school and it cemented my salary much lower than it should have been and it took me.... 5ish years to claw my way out of that hole. i'm still underpaid but at least i'm at the bottom of my salary band rather than being totally screwed
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Feb 21, 2019 03:23
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I went from 40 to 60 to 75 to 90 to 150 in a span of 12 years. The 150 I am currently at has a up to 10% bonus at the end of the year as well (got 8.5 this year.)
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Feb 21, 2019 03:29
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carry on then posted:i'm 4 hours' drive from madison and i started at 75, got a rank up promotion after 2 years to 95. no bonus (except a couple hundred/yr "growth-driven profit sharing" during years of contracting revenue) no stock I technically started at 42k at epic because I was a technical writer. I worked my rear end off for the switch to dev (Eschaton and others basically life coached me through it, lol). I guess since everyone else shared: as of my last review cycle I got a raise to 137k salary and I received a 20k bonus and 80k rsu refresh. I still have 3/4 of the 105k in rsus I got at sign on unvested also. so like bsd says I'm doing fine for where I'm at in my career, just only the rich ppl were posting numbers and my situation is extra stressful since I spend so much servicing debt from my poverty life and on medical care.
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Feb 21, 2019 03:30
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for some international perspective: i'm in stockholm, sweden, making about $63k (USD) before taxes (slightly over 30%). six-ish years of experience, no degree. peanuts by us standards, above 90th percentile here. think roughly $120-130k to equate it to a similar income bracket in the us. no stock or anything, but a deece pension contribution, 6 weeks of paid vacation, unlimited paid sick time, and of course free healthcare and education as well as heavily subsidized prescription drugs (and literal years of parental leave if i ever start a family). i am slightly underpaid though, i had another offer that would have paid 10% better but it was adtech and seemed way more stressful than my current job. very happy where i am.
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Feb 21, 2019 03:38
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coming up on 7 years in the industry, my progression went from something like 60k -> 70k at my first job (really hosed myself in negotiating) 100k -> 130k at my second job 185k + bonus + 125k RSUs (actually 500k over 4 years) at my current job honestly i'm not even that smart or good with anything special but i did know how to prepare for interviews the last time around also that 60k was at least comfortable enough to live in brooklyn, so i agree with nbsd at least about MOST places (yes 55k won't let you live in the west village but you can enjoy NYC just fine). software devs should remind themselves of the median income of where they live every now and then
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Feb 21, 2019 04:24
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TheFluff posted:for some international perspective: i'm in stockholm, sweden, making about $63k (USD) before taxes (slightly over 30%). six-ish years of experience, no degree. peanuts by us standards, above 90th percentile here. think roughly $120-130k to equate it to a similar income bracket in the us. no stock or anything, but a deece pension contribution, 6 weeks of paid vacation, unlimited paid sick time, and of course free healthcare and education as well as heavily subsidized prescription drugs (and literal years of parental leave if i ever start a family). i am slightly underpaid though, i had another offer that would have paid 10% better but it was adtech and seemed way more stressful than my current job. very happy where i am. this sounds v good
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Feb 21, 2019 04:54
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I thought Scandinavian salaries were outrageous by EU standards. Maybe that's just Norway I'm thinking of?
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Feb 21, 2019 04:59
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I’ve been touching computers professionally for 5 years. 80k -> 115k first job; got a bonus that was iirc 16k after taxes when the product sold 135k -> 156k and I’d be up for a raise if I weren’t leaving second job. ended up with mid-5-figgies combined cash (from selling options) and bought options, but it’s pre-IPO so who knows what’ll happen there newjob is 153k base + bonus + 260k in RSUs over 4 years
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Feb 21, 2019 05:00
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Achmed Jones posted:153k base + bonus + 260k in RSUs over 4 years
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Feb 21, 2019 05:18
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:this is about in line with what I saw from most of my cohort members who graduated with me and all started their jobs this month. a couple ended up maybe 15% higher than that (salesforce seemed to splash the most cash), but that was rare. oh good I'm making less than a bunch of freshly graduated kids cool
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Feb 21, 2019 05:21
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The most outrageous thing i ever heard was 400k total comp as a fresh grad for a billionaire vc's kid at another vc firm But you know, billionaire's kid
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Feb 21, 2019 05:23
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jit bull transpile posted:oh good I'm making less than a bunch of freshly graduated kids cool
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Feb 21, 2019 05:34
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:for context it's a graduate degree from a #1 CS school. the kids are basically all heavily recruited and juggling multiple offers from top firms guess my parents should have been richer whoops
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Feb 21, 2019 05:38
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I went to plutocrat school and my parents are just upper middle class If swsp is talking about the other number 1 cs school, then lots of poor kids go there. If they do eecs they don't come out poor tho
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Feb 21, 2019 05:39
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I don't even have a bs cs, let alone Top 50
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Feb 21, 2019 05:55
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cs is bs
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Feb 21, 2019 05:57
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real talk if I’m making the same as #1 cs department postgrads as a humanities phd haver with just a freakin’ minor in CS and five years of experience (only 2 of that as a security professional), that makes me feel pretty dang good about myself shame about the 7 years of figgies I missed out on getting the phd but on balance I think the phd was better for me
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Feb 21, 2019 05:57
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i learned how to program on youtube mostly
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Feb 21, 2019 06:03
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PokeJoe posted:i learned how to program on youtube mostly I took classes at a top 10 cs school while I was working at epic but no degree or cert or anything
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Feb 21, 2019 06:08
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A solid half of the best programmers I've worked with had music or physics or English degrees or no degree. CS school is good on balance, but it ain't everything, or even much.
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Feb 21, 2019 06:55
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CS at UT, which was like top 15 when I was there, was a lot of very hard things about advanced statistics, dynamic programming, operating systems, memory management, esoteric data structures, and specialized programming techniques that not a single person I've interviewed with has given one iota of a poo poo about School was so much harder than having a job lol
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Feb 21, 2019 08:32
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Being able to even complete a good CS degree is proof that you should be theoretically enough of a complete lunatic to work with computers on a daily basis.
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Feb 21, 2019 08:45
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But anyway, I don't use even 90% of the random poo poo I learned in school on a daily basis, but I do use 90% of that random poo poo at some point in my career in ways that I never expected to. Usually when you've got some bug that is stumping everyone else in the office and you remember a random piece of information from Computer Butts 302 back in 2009 and you look like a genius because of it.
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god i realized that i was so focused on getting through the technical side of my last interview that i barely gave consideration to soft skills stuff. i used to practice soft skills questions a few jobs ago, but so much has changed since then. i completely flubbed total soft balls and i didn't even realize it until just now. i just figured soft skills were the least of my worries, i guess. e: god i am a loving moron sometimes i swear DONT THREAD ON ME fucked around with this message at 10:13 on Feb 21, 2019 |
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Feb 21, 2019 09:54
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qhat posted:I thought Scandinavian salaries were outrageous by EU standards. Maybe that's just Norway I'm thinking of? I make about 75k in Oslo but i work for the state so obv its not great. Im real comfy tho, deece bennies and of course socialist paradise
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Neslepaks posted:I make about 75k in Oslo but i work for the state so obv its not great. Im real comfy tho, deece bennies and of course socialist paradise same but 60k for the danish state with a paltry one years of experience the best thing is lack of office politics, as the politics are handled by parliament and you can just shrug and go “ok”
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TheFluff posted:for some international perspective: i'm in stockholm, sweden, making about $63k (USD) before taxes (slightly over 30%). six-ish years of experience, no degree. peanuts by us standards, above 90th percentile here. think roughly $120-130k to equate it to a similar income bracket in the us. no stock or anything, but a deece pension contribution, 6 weeks of paid vacation, unlimited paid sick time, and of course free healthcare and education as well as heavily subsidized prescription drugs (and literal years of parental leave if i ever start a family). i am slightly underpaid though, i had another offer that would have paid 10% better but it was adtech and seemed way more stressful than my current job. very happy where i am. Eastern Europe, so 48k USD and basically the same bennies.  --------------- I can confirm that this is extremely true qhat posted:But anyway, I don't use even 90% of the random poo poo I learned in school on a daily basis, but I do use 90% of that random poo poo at some point in my career in ways that I never expected to. Usually when you've got some bug that is stumping everyone else in the office and you remember a random piece of information from Computer Butts 302 back in 2009 and you look like a genius because of it. This is also why people going "but I never used the things I didn't bother properly learning in school" make me mad. How do you even know that you couldn't have used it, if you don't understand it? 
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loving calis! I found a guy recruiting for a NOC jock role in Milwaukee for 40k, and advertising the same role for 60k in San Diego. It's literally the same position, just remote in MKE. 
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Feb 21, 2019 14:08
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qhat posted:I thought Scandinavian salaries were outrageous by EU standards. Maybe that's just Norway I'm thinking of? the swedish currency lost a lot of value in the last ~5 years compared to EUR and USD which makes our salaries look smaller and other european salaries look better in comparison. i'm making like ~90k USD if you count my bonus and temporary per diem, free rent and some other expenses that i get because i'm on a project in another country atm plus my bonus.
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i dropped out of state school and only finished up a BS online (WGU) for the HR screen. still working out ok. new gig does 100% tuition reimbursement for grad school though (taxable income after $5250/year lol) so that's an option if i want to dick wave on my resume.
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I don't have a degree, but at my first gig, my boss handed me “C++ Primer Plus” and told me if I read it and completed all of the exercises in the book he would mentor me. I did complete the book and he held up his end of the bargain. Then I read through ”The Linux Programming Interface” which also helped me a great deal. I know it's not formal education, but I don't think my career has been held back either.
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Scionix posted:CS at UT, which was like top 15 when I was there, was a lot of very hard things about advanced statistics, dynamic programming, operating systems, memory management, esoteric data structures, and specialized programming techniques that not a single person I've interviewed with has given one iota of a poo poo about almost like the value of an expensive program is access to connections and getting recruited by top firms every job fair at my college had GM trying to fill an "onshoring" IT center and two defense contractors who were more interested in electrical engineers. that's it.
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Feb 21, 2019 15:28
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bob dobbs is dead posted:I went to plutocrat school and my parents are just upper middle class
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My most memorable classes from college were the non-CS ones, with maybe Theory of Computation being the exception. Most of the professors I had for every class were great people, I just don't readily remember the time spent in those classes.
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Feb 21, 2019 19:09
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I had a Prof who once said that the c++ standards committee should be put up against a wall and shot. That guy was cool.
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