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Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


fritz posted:

'superceded by amazon'?

I think they’re currently winning the trademark fight against the fuckin South American mega forests, so yes?

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TimWinter
Mar 30, 2015

https://timsthebomb.com
Going out tonight for drinks with the yospos weirdo we hired.

DataRobot is still looking for more good people- frontend, backend, design. AutoML company still hiring like mad, if anyone is interested shoot me a pm.

Acer Pilot
Feb 17, 2007
put the 'the' in therapist

:dukedog:

I finally got closure from the faang, my friend is friends with another manager there and he basically just checked and found that they filled it. Super unprofessional that they never told me lol

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

TimWinter posted:

Going out tonight for drinks with the yospos weirdo we hired.

DataRobot is still looking for more good people- frontend, backend, design. AutoML company still hiring like mad, if anyone is interested shoot me a pm.

:rip:

raminasi
Jan 25, 2005

a last drink with no ice

Acer Pilot posted:

I finally got closure from the faang, my friend is friends with another manager there and he basically just checked and found that they filled it. Super unprofessional that they never told me lol

which one, name and shame

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine

raminasi posted:

which one, name and shame

Why would you embarrass his friend like that: who would want to admit to knowing someone who posts here?

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


Without knowing which faang you're referring to, I had a similar experience with Microsoft in Vancouver a couple of years ago. Went in for an onsite and only found out I'd been rejected after the ad was taken down 2 weeks later, no notice or feedback from the recruiter whatsoever. I reached out and they apologized and offered to talk about it, I offered some times, and they never responded.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012


professor lumpy balls, they call me

raminasi posted:

which one, name and shame

i know this is a meme but maybe no don't doxx this guy

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost

Sagebrush posted:

i know this is a meme but maybe no don't doxx this guy

If you get doxxed by revealing you interviewed there or work there it isnt a tech major

Tech major means megalomaniac at the head, faceless legions at his beck and call

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem
yeah i assume the question was "which faang" not "which manager actually told you"

TimWinter
Mar 30, 2015

https://timsthebomb.com
fang is facebook amazon netflix google- I imagine the other a is apple.

I think it's safe to say which faang ghosted you without getting in trouble.

Blinkz0rz
May 27, 2001

MY CONTEMPT FOR MY OWN EMPLOYEES IS ONLY MATCHED BY MY LOVE FOR TOM BRADY'S SWEATY MAGA BALLS
just found out i passed the interview for a lateral transfer so i'll be going back to building product after 3 years in cloud operations and security

minor raise mostly oriented around a shift from bonus to base comp but the quality of life increase is super significant and hell, i'm actually interested in the work i'm going to be doing starting next month

Chopstick Dystopia
Jun 16, 2010


lowest high and highest low loser of: WEED WEE
k
Nice, sounds like a good step up :yotj:

Flat Daddy
Dec 3, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
interview update: throwing my head back and cackling @ this post from a while back

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

well no, you're not gonna earn $200k in loving texas

that should be kind of obvious

it turns out not everyone adjusts for cost of living like you'd think

Flat Daddy fucked around with this message at 19:27 on May 23, 2019

dragon enthusiast
Jan 1, 2010
(manager) sent me another email about scheduling an interview. he conveniently deleted the paragraph about doing crimes in the reply chain

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine

dragon enthusiast posted:

(manager) sent me another email about scheduling an interview. he conveniently deleted the paragraph about doing crimes in the reply chain

Name and shame, gently caress these assholes.

GenJoe
Sep 14, 2010


Rehabilitated?


That's just a bullshit word.

Flat Daddy posted:

it turns out not everyone adjusts for cost of living like you'd think

you can grab an easy 6.3 figgies anywhere a faang has a local outpost

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Flat Daddy posted:

interview update: throwing my head back and cackling @ this post from a while back


it turns out not everyone adjusts for cost of living like you'd think

are you earning $200k in texas?

if so, gently caress yeah

totally pleased to have that rule broken. this is one of those cases where being wrong is a genuine pleasure

Hughlander
May 11, 2005

Yay finally got an offer!

Booo it's a poo poo TC package that having no RSUs or PSUs is like 100k less than what I was making at my last place. Don't think I'm going to negotiate my way out of this one. But I'm using it to light a fire under the rear end of the Unicorn that I've been talking to since loving 3/20.

PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016


:cheers:


Flat Daddy posted:

interview update: throwing my head back and cackling @ this post from a while back


it turns out not everyone adjusts for cost of living like you'd think

holy moly dude congrats. welcome to the land of milk & honey

play this right and you're set for one hell of an early retirement

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

are you earning $200k in texas?

if so, gently caress yeah

totally pleased to have that rule broken. this is one of those cases where being wrong is a genuine pleasure

if it’s in Austin proper that doesn’t go quite as far as you think, but certainly better than say 200k in the Bay Area

fritz
Jul 26, 2003

i broke down and did the triplebyte thing, have had two phone screens so far and declined a third (not a good sign when ones adblock blocks their company site)

just got off phone with second one, i think i must have mis-read their description or something, guy was nice and the company's growing fast but idk if i want to do the work (that's even without getting into their stack (node.js + getting into golang) or that he was all 'oh remote's fine, our other remote people just come in for a week or so once a month')


god i hate trying to find a job remotely i just want to cry

hayden.
Sep 11, 2007

here's a goat on a pig or something
The place I accepted an offer from sent me a non-compete that basically says I can't quit to go work for a client, or take any clients from them after leaving for a couple years. This is fine.

There's one part that stands out that seems a little too heavy handed, though: It says I'm required to pay 1.5 years worth of revenue of any "affected" client. The ambiguity of what "affected" means and the previous use of "voluntarily of involuntarily" and "solicit business" all seems a little vague to me. I obviously have no intention of taking their clients, but if I quit and go work for Microsoft and Microsoft winds up with the same client, is that "affecting" my current employer?

I don't know if I'm being overly fussy about this. There was no mention of a non-compete during the entire process and to have it just thrown at me with language I don't understand the full implications of is daunting.

hayden.
Sep 11, 2007

here's a goat on a pig or something
It also says I can't do *any* web related work without permission, including consulting, unless it's for free AND for a family member. So the exact wording says I'm not allowed to work on my own projects without permission, whether they're commercial or not. So at the very least I would ask them to clarify that.

PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016


:cheers:


hayden. posted:

The place I accepted an offer from sent me a non-compete that basically says I can't quit to go work for a client, or take any clients from them after leaving for a couple years. This is fine.

There's one part that stands out that seems a little too heavy handed, though: It says I'm required to pay 1.5 years worth of revenue of any "affected" client. The ambiguity of what "affected" means and the previous use of "voluntarily of involuntarily" and "solicit business" all seems a little vague to me. I obviously have no intention of taking their clients, but if I quit and go work for Microsoft and Microsoft winds up with the same client, is that "affecting" my current employer?

I don't know if I'm being overly fussy about this. There was no mention of a non-compete during the entire process and to have it just thrown at me with language I don't understand the full implications of is daunting.

Depending on your state those clauses are completely unenforceable or mostly unenforceable. They're only there to intimidate you. Fire away

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


hayden. posted:

It also says I can't do *any* web related work without permission, including consulting, unless it's for free AND for a family member.

Sounds like they are worried about you running a business on the side that directly competes with them, which isn't an unreasonable concern for a company.

hayden.
Sep 11, 2007

here's a goat on a pig or something
Given that from what I can tell in Colorado, it's not enforceable anyway, should i just sign and move on with my life? I rather want to push back and say that it's rather daunting for me to sign up for a liability that could possibly be hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars, and that "affecting" is a pretty easy criteria to reach, and their wording is really ambiguous. But I also don't want to be "that guy" and create drama before I even loving start working there.

Mao Zedong Thot
Oct 16, 2008


hayden. posted:

Given that from what I can tell in Colorado, it's not enforceable anyway, should i just sign and move on with my life? I rather want to push back and say that it's rather daunting for me to sign up for a liability that could possibly be hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars, and that "affecting" is a pretty easy criteria to reach, and their wording is really ambiguous. But I also don't want to be "that guy" and create drama before I even loving start working there.

my terrible advice is to just ignore that poo poo and sign it, and just be reasonable (like dont actually try to moonlight a competing business). half of that poo poo would fall apart in court, and the real risk you're running (if you're not literally actively running a business concurrently) is miniscule

or at most just strike the extra onerous stuff and sign it and return it

Hughlander
May 11, 2005

What's some good ways to approach a negotiation on salary?

I got one of the two offers I was looking for and it's got good base, but only 'ok' bonus (15%) and no options/RSUs. My last place that I was laid off from was a bit lower base but 40% bonus and some RSUs each year. In the 5 years I never got less than 100% bonus payout so we're talking a TC difference of like 25% I don't think I ever had to negotiate that much. The plus side is they want me really badly, and they're only my fallback if the other offer doesn't come through next week.

Not a Children
Oct 9, 2012

Don't need a holster if you never stop shooting.

Hughlander posted:

What's some good ways to approach a negotiation on salary?

I got one of the two offers I was looking for and it's got good base, but only 'ok' bonus (15%) and no options/RSUs. My last place that I was laid off from was a bit lower base but 40% bonus and some RSUs each year. In the 5 years I never got less than 100% bonus payout so we're talking a TC difference of like 25% I don't think I ever had to negotiate that much. The plus side is they want me really badly, and they're only my fallback if the other offer doesn't come through next week.

They put their number forth first. That's good! Now tell them what you want. They'll say yes, no, or something different. It's really that easy. If they reject you for trying to negotitate, you didn't want to work for them anyway; if that's how they treat someone they want to entice, just wait til you see how they treat someone they already have in the fold.

It does help to have another offer on the table that you'd be willing to take. Even if it's not better, it's easier to stick to your guns psychologically.

Arcsech
Aug 5, 2008

Hughlander posted:

What's some good ways to approach a negotiation on salary?

I got one of the two offers I was looking for and it's got good base, but only 'ok' bonus (15%) and no options/RSUs. My last place that I was laid off from was a bit lower base but 40% bonus and some RSUs each year. In the 5 years I never got less than 100% bonus payout so we're talking a TC difference of like 25% I don't think I ever had to negotiate that much. The plus side is they want me really badly, and they're only my fallback if the other offer doesn't come through next week.

i found this advice from somewhere, https://fearlesssalarynegotiation.com/ i think but i can't be assed to dig it up

if the offer is below the minimum you would accept, offer the minimum you'd accept. if they can't do that then you wouldn't take the job anyway

if it's already above your minimum, a good general strategy is:
1) rate how much you need the job on a scale of 1-10. this is x
2) estimate how much they need to fill the position on a scale of 1-10. this is y
3) ask for (y - x + 10)% more than they offered

this worked out well for me

hayden.
Sep 11, 2007

here's a goat on a pig or something
I doubt anyone cares but I decided to just sign the dumb non-compete. The odds that I take an action that they have an issue with, that they actually decide to sue me over it, and it gets enforced despite it not typically being enforceable, are all so tremendously unlikely that it's not worth making a stink over.

I will still be working on my own projects and not telling them, because it's not competing with them anyway and gently caress being treated like a child. If they want to fire me because I made a website about some video game and didn't ask permission first, they can go ahead.

PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016


:cheers:


hayden. posted:

I will still be working on my own projects and not telling them, because it's not competing with them anyway and gently caress being treated like a child. If they want to fire me because I made a website about some video game and didn't ask permission first, they can go ahead.

You probably already know this but just in case and also for all the lurkers out there- make absolute sure that nothing involving your own projects comes anywhere close to company equipment. don't even so much as google a question on your work laptop

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


Rex-Goliath posted:

You probably already know this but just in case and also for all the lurkers out there- make absolute sure that nothing involving your own projects comes anywhere close to company equipment. don't even so much as google a question on your work laptop

P. Much. These policies often draw the line with using company resources in any capacity whatsoever. Even then it's hairy.

distortion park
Apr 25, 2011


Is putting dollar amounts in your cv on projects you've worked on a good idea? I've got one which has a fairly clear value attached and (for the number of people involved) quite large cost savings. idk if it seems a bit tasteless though.

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


pointsofdata posted:

Is putting dollar amounts in your cv on projects you've worked on a good idea? I've got one which has a fairly clear value attached and (for the number of people involved) quite large cost savings. idk if it seems a bit tasteless though.

tasteless? more like :capitalism:

do it, because even if you're not thinking in terms of the Almighty Dollar, someone is in the chain that ultimately signs your paycheck

Ciaphas fucked around with this message at 14:14 on May 27, 2019

raminasi
Jan 25, 2005

a last drink with no ice

qhat posted:

P. Much. These policies often draw the line with using company resources in any capacity whatsoever. Even then it's hairy.

company time, company equipment, company knowledge are the three i avoid. I don’t even do side project work on unofficial time off (e.g. the day after thanksgiving which isn’t a company holiday but nobody works on)

prisoner of waffles
May 8, 2007

Ah! well a-day! what evil looks
Had I from old and young!
Instead of the cross, the fishmech
About my neck was hung.

pointsofdata posted:

Is putting dollar amounts in your cv on projects you've worked on a good idea? I've got one which has a fairly clear value attached and (for the number of people involved) quite large cost savings. idk if it seems a bit tasteless though.

counterpoint: I've seen academic CVs with grants and grant amounts on them.

also it's tyool 2019, tastelessness and self promotion are concepts of a bygone era.

PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016


:cheers:


pointsofdata posted:

Is putting dollar amounts in your cv on projects you've worked on a good idea? I've got one which has a fairly clear value attached and (for the number of people involved) quite large cost savings. idk if it seems a bit tasteless though.

demonstrating that you consider the financial costs/savings of your work is a massively positive signal for anyone in management. if you have the numbers absolutely include them

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Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

Rex-Goliath posted:

demonstrating that you consider the financial costs/savings of your work is a massively positive signal for anyone in management. if you have the numbers absolutely include them

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