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I had interviews and totally used the line of "I don't really have expectations, I am interviewing with many companies and will see what they all offer" and it worked really well.
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barkbell posted:does that work if the “many companies” include a FAANG
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barkbell posted:does that work very well. "I really don't know, haven't tested this market in a few years, I have no expectations. I'll just see what I can get from everyone involved and see then". The recruiters / HR folks really didn't like it too much, but from someone who thought I'd initially want $X (they threw a number before the on-site interviews and I just said "I don't know what to expect, I'll wait and see" again), I ended up being offered over 55% more than their initial guess. MononcQc fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Jun 9, 2019 |
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Scionix posted:just got laid off today You uh might want to give an indication of where. I know a company in Adis Ababa thsts hiring!
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Which of the job posting sites tend to have the best results?
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Indeed has always for me been a suiter of the needs variety
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qhat posted:Indeed has always for me been a suiter of the needs variety likewise I got my current job through an indeed application, and it seemed to have the highest rate of at least conversations coming from my applications during the whole process anecdotal etc
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I also got my current job from being reached out to on LinkedIn. I guess what I'm trying to say is the best job board is a union of all the popular job boards.
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recruiters have told me in a non-recruiting context that LinkedIn has the most reliable postings because they charge out the rear end for them so they're most likely to be, well, real which you might think would be critical but welp
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Munkeymon posted:recruiters have told me in a non-recruiting context that LinkedIn has the most reliable postings because they charge out the rear end for them so they're most likely to be, well, real which you might think would be critical but welp It costs a recruiter on LinkedIn 10 bucks to send a single message which is refunded if the candidates send a response of some kind (even a not interested response). Hence why you probably see all those recruiter messages that say "send me a response even if this isn't the role, so we can look into other opportunities". It's not to look into other opportunities, it's because they are about to lose  if you don't respond.
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So yeah if you get enjoyment out of hard owning recruiters, set your LinkedIn status to looking and then ignore any messages that come in.
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qhat posted:So yeah if you get enjoyment out of hard owning recruiters, set your LinkedIn status to looking and then ignore any messages that come in. I'm not set to looking and they are so thirsty anyway and I get a lot of pleasure from ignoring them.
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jit bull transpile posted:never. whenever I maneuver him into a direct discussion about performance he tells me I'm doing great, he loves my work, etc, but then he constantly says stuff like that to my peers or, for example, demands extra testing of work I've produced during a stand up when coworkers with worse track records don't get the same scrutiny. This was my experience in a very similar situation, anyway. Transfer might buy time, but I seriously doubt its a panacea. So, hang in there! I know how much it sucks. In fact, the stuff you wrote gave me PTSD; had a similar back-stabbing boss -- nice to my face - talking poo poo to everyone else -- this got worse after a month-long medical leave -- and guess what? To top it off he gave me a poo poo-rear end review! Piss. I then refused to sign the loving thing and sourced lots of data -- disproving every single point he made in the stupid-rear end review. Eventually he had to give me a good review and a laughable raise. (3% lol) With the good review in hand I tried to transfer internally, but he apparently used the time of my leave to poison the well everywhere I possibly could transfer. Then this rear end in a top hat together with HR changed my job description to something I had no qualification or experience for. HR basically just shrugged at my complaints. They gave exactly 0 shits. This clearly was driving towards my firing for "poor performance". So ultimately I had to cut my losses and leave the company. I hope this rear end in a top hat rots in hell! gently caress your boss, too! Current job isn't great either, but hey at least my boss is a human being. VomitOnLino fucked around with this message at 08:05 on Jun 11, 2019 |
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qhat posted:It costs a recruiter on LinkedIn 10 bucks to send a single message The HR guy near my desk was using his free account to fish for people. Linkeding quickly blocked him unless he upgraded to pro or whatever. Dude was complaining about how it's "so stupid !! It's my personal account"
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VomitOnLino posted:Then this rear end in a top hat together with HR changed my job description to something I had no qualification or experience for. I don't think I've seen this particular twist come up in previous horror stories 
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unpacked robinhood posted:The HR guy near my desk was using his free account to fish for people. Linkeding quickly blocked him unless he upgraded to pro or whatever. Dude was complaining about how it's "so stupid !! It's my personal account" Yeah HR is never short of morons who cannot comprehend why these policies exist or even how to attract new candidates. Jfc at my old company I had to sit down and explain to our in-house recruiter once (who was also HR general manager) how to actually write an effective inmail since their strategy was just spam the LinkedIn equivalent of "Hi" to anyone who looked promising, and then complain that LinkedIn costs so much money because nobody responded.
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Munkeymon posted:I don't think I've seen this particular twist come up in previous horror stories I've heard about a Microsoft boss doing that to a woman who worked in developer community outreach: he changed her position so that she did way less of what she was there to do: prepare and give talks at conferences, basically to make her life miserable which ultimately lead to the bad review to fire her. Its insanely lovely, I wonder if its more common outside of development tracks, where our job titles just increment a number until we retire.
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qhat posted:Yeah HR is never short of morons who cannot comprehend why these policies exist or even how to attract new candidates. Jfc at my old company I had to sit down and explain to our in-house recruiter once (who was also HR general manager) how to actually write an effective inmail since their strategy was just spam the LinkedIn equivalent of "Hi" to anyone who looked promising, and then complain that LinkedIn costs so much money because nobody responded. I'll straight up ignore any linkedin message that looks like it could have been sent to anyone. If its got even a hint of personalization that looks like it would be difficult to automate I'll usually respond though
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having an official job description and responsibilities sounds weird to me. every job i've ever had has had official duties of "do the needful" with no details
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Plorkyeran posted:having an official job description and responsibilities sounds weird to me. every job i've ever had has had official duties of "do the needful" with no details Sounds like a great way for your employer to argue that basically Everything is your responsibility and deny you a pay raise when your job diverges from what you were initially hired to do.
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Munkeymon posted:I don't think I've seen this particular twist come up in previous horror stories Extra vileness points were awarded to said rear end in a top hat for then asking me if I want to "try" the new job or ask around for an internal transfer. The very thing he previously worked hard to make impossible for me. Just incredible.
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feedmegin posted:You uh might want to give an indication of where. I know a company in Adis Ababa thsts hiring! Sorry, Austin, TX area I'm open to relocation but would prefer somewhere I can drive. My car is where my disposable income goes. edit: also would be interested in resume feedback if anyone wants. I'm ~3 years out of school with all of that at one place, so its a short read Scionix fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Jun 12, 2019 |
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qhat posted:Sounds like a great way for your employer to argue that basically Everything is your responsibility and deny you a pay raise when your job diverges from what you were initially hired to do. Even specific job descriptions I've had come with "other duties as required" or "and other tasks within your capabilities as a skilled engineer" tacked on.
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Kilometres Davis posted:"within your capabilities as a skilled engineer" I'd love to say "jokes on them" here but really I've pushed back on doing everything all of once in a decade so the joke is on me
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qhat posted:Sounds like a great way for your employer to argue that basically Everything is your responsibility and deny you a pay raise when your job diverges from what you were initially hired to do. my current job has massively diverged from what i was hired to do and the end result has been that ive gotten around a 10% bump per year if your employer wants to gently caress you then a perfect job description isn’t going to do poo poo to stop them, and if they don’t then it doesn’t matter
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qhat posted:Sounds like a great way for your employer to argue that basically Everything is your responsibility and deny you a pay raise when your job diverges from what you were initially hired to do. in the u.s., unless you work a union shop or have professional licensing, your responsibilities are always 100% determined by your employer, on the fly remember the "and other duties as necessary" part?
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:in the u.s., unless you work a union shop or have professional licensing, your responsibilities are always 100% determined by your employer, on the fly Ya that story that guy said makes perfect sense in the USA where there are basically no worker protections. In somewhere more civilized, the United Kingdom (lol) for example, unilaterally changing someone's job description is actually a pretty big deal since it can get you in trouble with the employment tribunal if that role is beyond what that person is capable of doing.
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because i have everything set to be as private and restrictive as possible i don't get hit up by recruiters often but when they do it's usually pretty specific to my skillset. just had a recruiter hit me up today for a company that doesn't directly compete with us but is definitely close enough that my skillset is very relevant to what they need. i'm a senior consultant now and they're looking for a 'solution architect' which sounds like it'd be a step up as far as title goes. looking at their glassdoor though they're still very very small but their comp looks.... real good. like i'd probably be looking at a 50% raise. also it's totally remote so no more travel. also from the job description he gave me it sounds like the role was custom built for me. i really like my current job but.... yeah this is gonna be hard to say no to. let's see where this goes
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recruiter contacts on linkedin are 100% based on your current job title if you change your job title to something silly, they stop bugging you
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*changes job title to rockstar programmer* *receives job offer without introduction*
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yeah but it’ll be for some prerevenue startup that is paying you only in “stock”
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qhat posted:*changes job title to rockstar programmer* my boss once presented my work at a conference and got an unsolicited job offer with figgies attached he turned it down because he was so deeply committed to whatever shithole suburb he lived in
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If a recruiter is emailing me directly, where might they have gotten my email address? Does Linked In provide a tool for that?
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ShadowHawk posted:If a recruiter is emailing me directly, where might they have gotten my email address? Does Linked In provide a tool for that? My assumption is they have their own networks for passing around dumps of references similar to debt collectors passing around bundles to collect on. I took great care to scrub all presence of anything that could be used to contact me directly some five years ago and I still get the occasional rogue email. Just accept that it’s basically herpes and will never really go away
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ShadowHawk posted:If a recruiter is emailing me directly, where might they have gotten my email address? Does Linked In provide a tool for that? no, linkedin's business model is sort of predicated on not doing that. facebook recruiters have started mailing me directly. this is what i get for stupidly creating a facebook account so, so many years ago.
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I've only gotten direct emails from internal recruiters which I don't really mind.
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qhat posted:Ya that story that guy said makes perfect sense in the USA where there are basically no worker protections. In somewhere more civilized, the United Kingdom (lol) for example, unilaterally changing someone's job description is actually a pretty big deal since it can get you in trouble with the employment tribunal if that role is beyond what that person is capable of doing. Except you can't actually go to an employment tribunal in your first two years in a given job. Thanks, literally all our national parties a decade ago!
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my buddy changed his job title to Strong And Stable Genius and said he got even more spam afterwards but he might have been full poo poo who knows
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