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took a vacation day to do interviews. lots of interesting possibilities but I can’t stop thinking about the weird basement one where two nice and polite devs would ask me questions and the CIO would butt in whenever possible to try and show that I’m not the right canditate, and also eagerly try to prove that I didn’t want the job. the devs would fall silent and look away like battered housewives every time it happened. this allowed him time to tell us about what it’s really like in IT and the real world. anyway can’t wait to see what kind of offer they throw at me!!!!
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bitchtard posted:took a vacation day to do interviews. lots of interesting possibilities but I can’t stop thinking about the weird basement one where two nice and polite devs would ask me questions and the CIO would butt in whenever possible to try and show that I’m not the right canditate, and also eagerly try to prove that I didn’t want the job. the devs would fall silent and look away like battered housewives every time it happened. this allowed him time to tell us about what it’s really like in IT and the real world. well it was a good interview in the sense that it gave you an idea of what working there would be like lol
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Captain Foo posted:they already got back to me and want to do a follow-up call to re-go over salary expectations and start date availability in case they make me an offer the short version is: always ask for more money, even if the first offer seems ok to you. never hurts to ask for 5% more, right? if they say "no," there's no wiggle room on salary, ask for more vacation time. if they say no to that, too, well, at least you asked. if you want more detail, buy the loving book. it's short. https://www.amazon.com/How-Make-Thousand-Dollars-Minute/dp/0898151910
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today i had an application that asked for expected pay and had a necessary asterix. i just put "negotiable"
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I was able to get through the first part of negotiation without saying a concrete number and pushing them to the top of their range, so let's see what number they actually come back with
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waiting on an offer letter from a company I've been contracting with on the side from my full time job. when they asked for salary requirements I was soooooo tempted to just request my current salary because I really wanted the job but I thought back to this thread and added $10k to my current salary because gently caress it why not. person doing the hiring says that I will be happy with what comes back so I'm betting I'll get it. do always upsell, do always negotiate
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Jun 19, 2019 15:22
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You didn't actually listen to us if you gave a number first
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Pendragon posted:waiting on an offer letter from a company I've been contracting with on the side from my full time job. when they asked for salary requirements I was soooooo tempted to just request my current salary because I really wanted the job but I thought back to this thread and added $10k to my current salary because gently caress it why not. person doing the hiring says that I will be happy with what comes back so I'm betting I'll get it. lol you’re getting the bottom of their band and it sounds like you would have gotten it even if you’d given your salary baby steps though. took me a while to not gently caress that up too
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Jun 19, 2019 15:48
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even if you Really Want The Job you gotta give a better number than your current salary
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Jun 19, 2019 16:13
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I made a linkedin account at the beginning of the month. It is basically my resume. Looking at the job board, it seems the posts are just as terrible as any other. Also I've only had five garbage recruiter messages, which I've left sitting with no reply as it costs them  per unanswered message from what I've read. I do tweak my profile every few days because I've also read this keeps it in the active pile. Am I using this web site wrong? Maybe I just don't "get" it.
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mekkanare posted:I made a linkedin account at the beginning of the month. It is basically my resume. Looking at the job board, it seems the posts are just as terrible as any other. Also I've only had five garbage recruiter messages, which I've left sitting with no reply as it costs them linkedin is for vaguely keeping in touch with professional contacts its not for getting a job (except through networking with people you know)
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Mao Zedong Thot posted:linkedin is for vaguely keeping in touch with professional contacts My 3 most recent jobs have all been through linkedin, either by my applying directly, or in one case being recruited directly.
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yeah the headhunter i’m talking to now found me through linkedin. there’s gold in them mines
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Submitted a resume on a nice looking company's official email, didn't get a response, got a recruiter contacting me on LinkedIn and it happened to be that company, unrelated to my resume submittal. And now I'm working there. I wish I knew about this thread during my job search though
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i've gotten one good lead ever off linkedin, but an unbelievable torrent of contacts the signal/noise ratio isn't real good
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I got my current job off linkedin and it's pretty good. There is an awful lot of garbage coming in, but it's not even 10% as bad as straight up posting your resume on indeed.
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got a fone interview. my first computer job one so i gave myself the weekend to study / prepare. its for systems engineering which is probably my weakest skillset. either way they responded to a shittier old resume so who knows should be a good learning xp either way. if (when) i get rejected is there a proven method for extracting honest feedback?
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Scott Baio Nudes posted:should be a good learning xp either way. if (when) i get rejected is there a proven method for extracting honest feedback? theres nothing in it for the company to give you honest feedback. the more they say, the more they leave themselves open to a lawsuit for improper hiring practices (the same logic applies to explain why its so hard to get candid references from people). so much safer just to say "we decided to go with another candidate, best of luck on your continued job search". also: good luck!
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talked to the recruiter round two: he gave me a few practice questions and went deeper into my resume just to make sure we’d be a match. it went extremely well and i’m starting to think i may consider this job not just due to the money but because the role is much more aligned with what i think i’m good at and enjoy doing. we decided to move forwards and the recruiter said he’d get me past the bullshit hr and tech screen interviews and i’d be talking directly with the vp i’d be working under so  to that tooman i wasn’t even on the market so it’s good that the recruiter was extremely up front in his opening message on linkedin because i would have ignored it otherwise. the best part is if this all falls through i’m still working at a place i enjoy
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Yeah LinkedIn has the highest signal to noise of the internet boards I've used
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qhat posted:I got my current job off linkedin and it's pretty good. There is an awful lot of garbage coming in, but it's not even 10% as bad as straight up posting your resume on indeed. i have had precisely the inverse experience
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i have had precisely the inverse experience
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Thanks for the information, everyone. I'll just keep using it for the job board section.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i have had precisely the inverse experience over the three years i’ve been working here i’ve probably responded to two out of the hundred+ garbage messages i’ve gotten. i still consider that a pretty decent ratio. first response was to one of our competitors who’s product kinda sucked and i just wanted to test the waters. second response is the peeps i’m talking to now
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my job pays well but not very well, i dont have to work that hard, and i live 10 minutes from my office. but i want to live somewhere that isnt a shoebox apartment and i really want to leave the bay area. how do i get over being extremely picky about jobs im willing to consider. :itisamystery:
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Being picky is a good thing when it comes to jobs?
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i feel like i might be too picky though. is it wrong, when a recruiter contacts you, to open with "whats the pay"? i've been with my current company for 5 years and before that i was working a cavalcade of menial prole jobs so i still have the mindset of not knowing how to dictate the terms of what i want or having the upper hand in looking for a job.
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my bitter bi rival posted:i feel like i might be too picky though. is it wrong, when a recruiter contacts you, to open with "whats the pay"? i've been with my current company for 5 years and before that i was working a cavalcade of menial prole jobs so i still have the mindset of not knowing how to dictate the terms of what i want or having the upper hand in looking for a job. no
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had a couple phone interviews today, one of them gave me the ratbert problem
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my bitter bi rival posted:i feel like i might be too picky though. is it wrong, when a recruiter contacts you, to open with "whats the pay"? i've been with my current company for 5 years and before that i was working a cavalcade of menial prole jobs so i still have the mindset of not knowing how to dictate the terms of what i want or having the upper hand in looking for a job. Never talk numbers until you are getting an offer, this goes both ways. 95% of the time they'll brush it off with "we're flexible, we're interested in finding the right person and then discussing a fair compensation", which is basically what you should be doing in reverse if they ask you about money that early. Demanding compensation talk at the start can shut the conversation down right there, and you can probably find out the bottom end of the range from glassdoor anyway.
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if it’s a giant company you can just ask for the “level” of the job and google that
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Also relevant post from the last page which seems like a decent exception to the rule. You're probably not this exception.qirex posted:I brought it up early constantly in my last job search but that's mostly because "senior designer" is a job title with a like 200k wide salary band
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my bitter bi rival posted:i feel like i might be too picky though. is it wrong, when a recruiter contacts you, to open with "whats the pay"? i've been with my current company for 5 years and before that i was working a cavalcade of menial prole jobs so i still have the mindset of not knowing how to dictate the terms of what i want or having the upper hand in looking for a job. recruiters don't usually know very much and they guess at least that lets you eliminate the obviously-stupid positions
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mekkanare posted:I made a linkedin account at the beginning of the month. It is basically my resume. Looking at the job board, it seems the posts are just as terrible as any other. Also I've only had five garbage recruiter messages, which I've left sitting with no reply as it costs them linkedin contacts are super unevenly distributed in time. i’ve gotten 80% of mine in the first three days of the month, and some months are better than others, although i don’t remember that particular pattern.
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Not that I've ever figured that out, but I imagine headcounts come in at the start of a quarter when budgets get set. Or it could be completely random idk, buses in the city etc.
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my bitter bi rival posted:i feel like i might be too picky though. is it wrong, when a recruiter contacts you, to open with "whats the pay"? i've been with my current company for 5 years and before that i was working a cavalcade of menial prole jobs so i still have the mindset of not knowing how to dictate the terms of what i want or having the upper hand in looking for a job. don't talk numbers until you're either sure you want to walk and want to give them one last chance to regain your attention or are pretty sure you have them hooked. the longer you talk the more invested they are and more they'll want you on board which means they'll wiggle those numbers up behind the scenes. the earlier you talk numbers the higher the chance they'll err on the side of caution and give you the lower end of things because why wouldn't they? any recruiter that asks for your number or salary out of the gate and doesn't back down when you don't answer it can be written off. if they fold and tell you the range instead they're maybe ok to listen to. always try to delay talking hard numbers until as late as possible. always always always. always remember that the longer the conversation goes the more invested and interested they are which means they're willing to pay more
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qhat posted:Never talk numbers until you are getting an offer, this goes both ways. 95% of the time they'll brush it off with "we're flexible, we're interested in finding the right person and then discussing a fair compensation", which is basically what you should be doing in reverse if they ask you about money that early. Demanding compensation talk at the start can shut the conversation down right there, and you can probably find out the bottom end of the range from glassdoor anyway. Rex-Goliath posted:don't talk numbers until you're either sure you want to walk and want to give them one last chance to regain your attention or are pretty sure you have them hooked. the longer you talk the more invested they are and more they'll want you on board which means they'll wiggle those numbers up behind the scenes. the earlier you talk numbers the higher the chance they'll err on the side of caution and give you the lower end of things because why wouldn't they? i guess i get that but, why would i go through the interview process if it doesnt pay more than my current job. like "glass door estimates" make it seem like these offers are for about where i'm at now. is it expected that i should be able to pump those numbers higher? post hole digger fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Jun 20, 2019 |
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salary question for crazy hiring process at a faang/big4 tech co: I have evaded the salary questions thus far through the initial phone screen, phone interview, an on-site interview, and now they're asking for my compensation expectations in writing before submitting my application to the final "hiring committee". is this the point where I should give in and just throw the high end of what paysa shows? Or should I try to stall again? Or demand the range under California law since the job opening is in the bay area?
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my bitter bi rival posted:i guess i get that but, why would i go through the interview process if it doesnt pay more than my current job. like "glass door estimates" make it seem like these offers are for about where i'm at now. is it expected that i should be able to pump those numbers higher? Yeah it's annoying, there's always the risk they'll try and go cheap on you, but you just gotta suck it up, there's no other way around it. Most of the really cheap ones will be the kind to kick you out of the process early for refusing to talk money anyway, so there's also that indication. Just don't apply to a bad company, check them out on glassdoor before applying and look specifically at the highest reported salaries to get an idea of whether this company can afford you. You still might be stung but honestly what's a day off when compared to even the possibility of significantly upgrading your income.
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