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i just scheduled a technical interview next week. they responded with a confirmation and a request for my salary expectations. e: its been a while since ive negotiated, but it seems like this would come after the technical as it would determine the value of the skills you bring in? Bored Online fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Jun 25, 2019 |
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Scott Baio Nudes posted:i just scheduled a technical interview next week. they responded with a confirmation and a request for my salary expectations. Ideally they would offer a salary range for the position and then hard numbers would be discussed after interviews were conducted and they decided to give you an offer, but lol at that ever happening.
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Jun 25, 2019 19:17
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My favorite is being contacted by a recruiter, filling out whatever BS questionnaire, stonewalling them on salary, getting them to cough up their range (which tops out at a figure $25k under my current mark), saying "nah son," then getting asked "would you like to make a counteroffer for their consideration" Dude you came to ME and haven't told me dick about the position, so of course I'm not
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Jun 25, 2019 19:23
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Not a Children posted:My favorite is being contacted by a recruiter, filling out whatever BS questionnaire, stonewalling them on salary, getting them to cough up their range (which tops out at a figure $25k under my current mark), saying "nah son," then getting asked "would you like to make a counteroffer for their consideration" did you at least say you weren't going to take a massive pay cut for that position so they could confirm that yes their offered salary is trash?
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Jun 25, 2019 19:26
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Steve Jorbs posted:They want you to say the number first. Make them offer a range first. Depending on your/their locality this may be required by law now. i live in ca but they responded with just a base. this would be a career change so honestly the base is ~okay~ but if my current employer counter offers than id be throwing away too much. is there a good way to answer without closing the figgies ceiling
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Jun 25, 2019 19:57
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hobbesmaster posted:did you at least say you weren't going to take a massive pay cut for that position so they could confirm that yes their offered salary is trash? I told them that their quoted max was below market, and I would not be interested in that salary. Polite, but firm. Scott Baio Nudes posted:i live in ca but they responded with just a base. this would be a career change so honestly the base is ~okay~ but if my current employer counter offers than id be throwing away too much. is there a good way to answer without closing the figgies ceiling Drop it til after the interview. Wow them, then engage
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Jun 25, 2019 20:05
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I have received an offer
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Jun 25, 2019 21:49
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Jun 25, 2019 21:50
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Boiled Water posted:this is a terrible commercial for the dot net family the go version "replaced" the .NET version and the go team decided to randomize the parameters.
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Jun 25, 2019 21:56
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unsurprisingly, a team that chose to rewrite a .net app in go made other bad choices as well
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Jun 25, 2019 22:17
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Fiedler posted:unsurprisingly, a team that chose to rewrite a .net app in go made other bad choices as well its microsoft, we're lucky they didn't come up with go/cli
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Jun 25, 2019 22:22
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that would be an improvement, though
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Jun 25, 2019 22:35
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I have received an (internship) offer
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Jun 26, 2019 00:28
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coz took the job with mindgeek in the end. gets him out of turkey and in to like the best city in canada so i'm happy for him.
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Jun 26, 2019 00:35
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I have to stop doing phone interviews for hit and run recruiters and poo poo I don’t care about because I’m getting burnt out and my not give a gently caress is showing.
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Jun 26, 2019 00:37
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Symbolic Butt posted:some time ago on an interview they asked me to list all design patterns in the gof book and I blanked and could only name and describe "singleton".
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Jun 26, 2019 00:51
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we did it fam
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Jun 26, 2019 02:37
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Captain Foo posted:we did it fam congrats! praise be to figgies
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Jun 26, 2019 11:16
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in other news i got rejected from my on-site on thursday i had another on-site yesterday that i think i did extremely well on. the interview sessions themselves were really cool. teaching 2 experienced web devs something about mobile development conversation with engineering director lunch with two devs that would be on the team coding problem session with ide the only thing that gives me pause is the coding problem. they were like it’s totally fine if you don’t finish in time just talk through it so i was expecting something ball busting hard but then i finished in 10 mins and we optimized it and then it was a bit awkward because we had 30 minutes left out of a 45 minute session and I think they realized they hyped up their problem too much but we just chatted for the rest of the time. really hoping to get an offer from there just to get some confidence. have a call today and tomorrow and am getting a project today so the work continues.
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Jun 26, 2019 11:25
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Captain Foo posted:we did it fam grats! are you still in boston or moved elsewhere?
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Jun 26, 2019 12:57
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Blinkz0rz posted:grats! are you still in boston or moved elsewhere? i live in lowell now but the job is in boston, train lyfe here we come walking 10 minutes to the train and then a little bit in the city is way better than an hour+ on Rt 3 and 95 every day lmao (Lowell <-> Wellesley)
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Jun 26, 2019 13:01
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an hour a day jfc going on my own 10 minutes in a car each way at oldjob and my "commute" now, that is by far a better life improvement than any figgie increase imo
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Jun 26, 2019 13:32
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Ciaphas posted:an hour a day jfc ~50 minutes in the AM, ~75 minutes in the PM cars succ
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Jun 26, 2019 13:53
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just got an email that feedback was all great and asking for time to schedule a call figgie status: soon?
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Jun 26, 2019 14:09
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applied to a place advertising as remote, they said 'no' b/c they only do remote in some states and maine isnt one of them (not a time zone either)
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Jun 26, 2019 15:17
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and backed out from another place at the take-home stage b/c i realized that no i really dont want to work for a marketing company
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Jun 26, 2019 15:18
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fritz posted:applied to a place advertising as remote, they said 'no' b/c they only do remote in some states and maine isnt one of them (not a time zone either) the rare corporate "no shaggars" policy
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Jun 26, 2019 15:22
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I got the project major sports league wants me to do today and it’s like a whole sprints worth of work and they want it in a week. No wonder they asked me if I was a fan they want to exploit people. I kind of want to shame them but it won’t accomplish anything.
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Jun 26, 2019 23:09
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fritz posted:applied to a place advertising as remote, they said 'no' b/c they only do remote in some states and maine isnt one of them (not a time zone either) lol i will never understand companies like this just setup a business nexus you fuckheads, its not that hard
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Jun 26, 2019 23:57
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didn’t pass a screening for a role at MS because I’m apparently too much of a schmuck that just churns through jira tickets instead of having a customer focused mindset. apparently the product teams there are just so much better that they can’t make use of my ‘line of business dev’ experience. This is just the sort of thing to make me freak out about wasting my career, where it doesn’t matter how much I got paid or what projects I was able to get out the door. raminasi posted:a third-party recruiter is trying to place me at the company that already employs me, this feels like some kind of milestone first party recruiter contacted me about a company that I was fired from, about a week after it happened. 
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Jun 27, 2019 06:59
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customer focused mindset... microsoft...  they probably just didn't understand what you meant by "jira tickets"
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Jun 27, 2019 07:16
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It’s kinda reminded me of a boss I had (who’d also spent a lot of time at MS) during one of our 1:1’s “Hey, we get the sense that you’re not getting as much work done as your coworkers.” me: “Can you be more specific? I’m here ten hours a day. I’m working on the jira tickets on the board, same as everybody else.” “That’s not what I’m talking about.” me: “We go through the agile methodology, do sprint estimations, set our priorities, write user stories from the PM’s requirements, what else is there?” “We’ve got higher expectations of you. You figure it out, I’m not here to spoon feed you.” after another eight months of ups and downs, and me desperately shaking him down for actionable feedback, I resign out of frustration, and I get this at my exit interview, “If you were passionate about your work, you’d know what to do without being told.” Assuming the guy wasn’t gaslighting me, it felt like there’s an entirely separate ‘higher’ level of work experience and mindset expected of me that would make me a Director at lesser companies. Coffee Jones fucked around with this message at 08:15 on Jun 27, 2019 |
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bitchtard posted:I have to stop doing phone interviews for hit and run recruiters and poo poo I don’t care about because I’m getting burnt out and my not give a gently caress is showing. nothing like talking to a recruiter who just wants to fill out a skills matrix, and “How many years experience in webpack?” “How many years experience in Babel?” “How many years experience in JavaScript?” “How many years experience in ES6?” “How many years experience in cloud?”
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Jun 27, 2019 08:24
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Coffee Jones posted:"yikes"
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Jun 27, 2019 08:40
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i’m hoping and feeling like i might get the figgie call today. i’m having trouble thinking of words I can string together that amount to no you give figgie first. please provide safe wisdom. I have the following in mind. i feel like without the full benefits package in front of me i cant make an accurate estimate on what a base salary number would be. could you send me the benefits package and what you were thinking over an email so I can take my time to review? not sure what i would follow up with if pressed though.
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Jun 27, 2019 11:06
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KidDynamite posted:i’m hoping and feeling like i might get the figgie call today. i’m having trouble thinking of words I can string together that amount to no you give figgie first. please provide safe wisdom. I have the following in mind. you may be overthinking a bit, what can they really say to press you given that opener?
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Jun 27, 2019 11:12
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KidDynamite posted:i’m hoping and feeling like i might get the figgie call today. i’m having trouble thinking of words I can string together that amount to no you give figgie first. please provide safe wisdom. I have the following in mind. If you're far into the process and you know an offer is imminent, you can more or less force their hand if you want to. "I'd like to evaluate the offer as a whole, including salary, benefits, and leave time. Please send me all available information and we can discuss after I've had a chance to review all aspects of compensation." or "I don't have a number in mind, but will consider any reasonable offer. I'm sure we can come to a mutually satisfying agreement." If you're feeling bold you can always say "Just let me know what your budget is and I'll let you know if we can come to an agreement." Or if you just want to go scorched earth you can always go "I dunno, what does the supervisor for this position make?" and ask for that
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Jun 27, 2019 11:25
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Not a Children posted:
do not do this if you want the job lmao
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Jun 27, 2019 12:08
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KidDynamite posted:i’m hoping and feeling like i might get the figgie call today. i’m having trouble thinking of words I can string together that amount to no you give figgie first. please provide safe wisdom. I have the following in mind. that's what I kept hammering on, "i need to evaluate the entire package with base compensation and benefits and PTO, so send that over and I'll take a look" -well what's the starting point "Well, your company understands the market you're hiring for, so it needs to be competitive" -so tell us a number "I'll need to evaluate the entire package" etc etc etc
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fake edit - we had, at the start, discussed a ballpark range, so after the interview when we got to Real Figgie Chat I was able to come back with "yeah after having gone through the process and getting a better understanding of the position, we're going to need to be above where previously discussed"
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