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DELETE CASCADE posted:tbh i would say take the job, but then also don't start off immediately disgruntled and spend all your time on prep for other interviews so you can chase a higher salary. you need to dedicate most of your resources to onboarding at your new job, otherwise they will notice how disengaged you are, and you'll be out of there in 3 weeks as a "mistake hire who just wasn't a good fit and didn't work out". now you're right back where you started but with a perfectly good offer burned. give the job a chance, who knows, you might like it because of aforementioned repetition i should make this clear: i am NOT saying there is anything wrong with accepting another offer should one come your way. the company you leave is not gonna gently caress your life over for doing this. they might consider it a bit rude but them's the breaks. i AM saying that if you spend most of your energy at your new job on looking for another one because you already pre-decided that you hate the job you just started... that is very very obvious, so don't think you're fooling anyone
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Who knows? Maybe they’ll like the job
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Dongslayer. posted:what are the yosposter approved resources for studying data structures? i watched the Stanford lectures and did the homework and labs. Jonathan shewchuck or something similar is the lecturers name. recorded lectures on YouTube and freely accessable homework from a real school
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DELETE CASCADE posted:because of aforementioned repetition i should make this clear: i am NOT saying there is anything wrong with accepting another offer should one come your way. the company you leave is not gonna gently caress your life over for doing this. they might consider it a bit rude but them's the breaks. yeah you would have to burn bridges in a spectacular way for anyone to remember or care, and even then it might not matter because you're in a big enough market. also, congrats 
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^ tyDELETE CASCADE posted:tbh i would say take the job, but then also don't start off immediately disgruntled and spend all your time on prep for other interviews so you can chase a higher salary. you need to dedicate most of your resources to onboarding at your new job, otherwise they will notice how disengaged you are, and you'll be out of there in 3 weeks as a "mistake hire who just wasn't a good fit and didn't work out". now you're right back where you started but with a perfectly good offer burned. give the job a chance, who knows, you might like it its not a bad job, im actually looking forward to it, its just not ideal for two reasons: 1a. startups arent very stable and therefore i am worried about having to look for work again soon 2a. startups are known for having crappy work-life balance and this one seems dodgy in that sense therefore i am still looking out for other options. however its also mitigated by points in its favor: 1b. cool product 2b. interesting problems to solve that let me gain experience in cool poo poo like hadoop and redis (tl;dr is that theres work to be done on data intake) 3. good commute 4. casual culture and then the aforementioned pay thing which boils down to "youre not good enough yet", which 2b is meant to mitigate and is not bad pay per se, just typical theres also miscellaneous poo poo like mom and dad being ｅｘｔｒｅｍｅｌｙ ｄｉｓａｐｐｏｉｎｔｅｄ that im not working at a big stable company but thats their problem not mine also im basically not scheduling more interviews/places to check out and theres a hard limit at a couple days before my start date where i wont accept offers cause its too late bitch not saying there isnt other stuff out there but the idea is that this is a backup in that case also im loving sick of thinking about this so much so im ready to move the gently caress on
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ok that all sounds reasonably sensible to me. my only further comment would be: hadoop is a distributed filesystem with a restrictive programming model, and redis is a cache. getting experience with those is definitely good for you and your resume. but most of the interesting work to be done on data intake is done with half-assed ad hoc shell scripts, because problem #1 is always that the data is unclean or even unstructured
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Feb 28, 2018 00:24
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DELETE CASCADE posted:ok that all sounds reasonably sensible to me. my only further comment would be: hadoop is a distributed filesystem with a restrictive programming model, and redis is a cache. getting experience with those is definitely good for you and your resume. but most of the interesting work to be done on data intake is done with half-assed ad hoc shell scripts, because problem #1 is always that the data is unclean or even unstructured half assed ad hoc shell scripts for cleaning and structuring data sounds like a great way to ask the question "why is everything so hosed up" and getting shrugs in response and nobody knows what code handles it or where it is then all of a sudden you gotta change it and if theyre scripts on servers then you need to hunt down all those scripts so that each server works the same way and you will inevitably miss one and wow that is some loving bullshit
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Feb 28, 2018 00:26
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maybe use a lambda for that stuff?
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Feb 28, 2018 00:27
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a task so fundamentally ill-defined does not admit an elegant solution. you can add all sorts of structure and process but you'll never get something that feels well engineered
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DELETE CASCADE posted:a task so fundamentally ill-defined does not admit an elegant solution. you can add all sorts of structure and process but you'll never get something that feels well engineered coo
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some structure + process > no structure + process tho at least
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Feb 28, 2018 00:29
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ya sure i'm just saying. a lot of people see a nice clean database schema and go oOoOoOo preeeeetty, but if you're interested in data intake, just know that it doesn't start that way
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Feb 28, 2018 00:30
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i getcha welp i hope they are comfortable in knowing that i know nothing
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Feb 28, 2018 00:32
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cis autodrag posted:Eyes, school think i mentioned this before but my data structures prof got fired for teaching the wrong curriculum basically. we were given an easy final but that class taught me very little past linear structures. plan to the course in another lang as soon as possible but needed the grade at the time. Thanks for all the recommendations Bored Online fucked around with this message at 03:38 on Feb 28, 2018 |
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Feb 28, 2018 03:36
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Pollyanna posted:maybe use a lambda for that stuff? maybe use a diary for all that stuff christ, pollyanna. whatever you think you are doing in yospos, don't do it at work, ok?
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Feb 28, 2018 04:23
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:maybe use a diary for all that stuff im spitballing also i will never ever ever ever ever ever stop tormenting you youre in for life bitchhhhhhhhhh
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Dongslayer. posted:think i mentioned this before but my data structures prof got fired for teaching the wrong curriculum basically. we were given an easy final but that class taught me very little past linear structures. the sedgewick book is solid if you’re cool with java and he does a free class on coursera (i think?)
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iirc I enjoyed the data structures chapter in Skienna’s algorithm design manual for the decent overview. most of my data structures learning though was going on a Wikipedia page for like AVL trees, making an implementation of it, then going to related pages and going at it again. if you’re looking for functional stuff, nothing beats Okasaki’s book.
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Feb 28, 2018 04:58
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Pollyanna posted:im spitballing whatever you call your voluble shitposting, don't do it at work
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Feb 28, 2018 05:06
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if you have time to post a lot while at work, you don't have enough work to do
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:whatever you call your voluble shitposting, don't do it at work c'mon man i know pollyanna is a bit much to handle but certain threads here are basically chat rooms so  but yeah keep that poo poo to yourself at work. take don corleone's advice... never tell anyone outside the family what you're really thinking
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or inside it for that matter lest you tee somebody up for a brutal own
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:whatever you call your voluble shitposting, don't do it at work yo what do you call yours?
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qhat posted:if you have time to post a lot while at work, you don't have enough work to do Sounds like somebody works slow
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Feb 28, 2018 05:49
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qhat posted:if you have time to post a lot while at work, you don't have enough work to do work as hard as your paid to work imo
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Sapozhnik posted:work as hard as your paid to work imo but with each increase in title/pay, the amount of actual hard work i must do has decreased ??? 
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DELETE CASCADE posted:but with each increase in title/pay, the amount of actual hard work i must do has decreased ??? beware of the management transition it looks like less work but it is actually more, so, you know, get paid for that poo poo
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i guess it helps that i don't really consider telling people my opinions to be work but ya i hear you. my pay is not bad for my current title but could always be better. not sure i want to change jobs right now though. i'm not really trying to minmax my salary, i'm going more for money-to-effort ratio
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Feb 28, 2018 07:20
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management is also a much riskier position if your company is at all decent. i'm pretty sure most if not all fuckups in business can be placed squarely at the feet of management.
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we’ve also gone over this several times, not all startups have lovely work life balance. I took 4 weeks off and wfh whenever I wanted at my last one. One of my coworkers spent 5-6 weeks working remote in Europe. Another did yearly visits to Singapore for a month to visit family. and as far as day to day I’d cut out at 3 on fridays. It really depends on the place. Now did I do some stupid midnight work on Saturdays, yeah, but I sure as hell took comp time the week after.
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qhat posted:management is also a much riskier position if your company is at all decent. i'm pretty sure most if not all fuckups in business can be placed squarely at the feet of management. is it? if the corporate thread is to be believed management never falls but watch each other’s back
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Well, they could be placed (it is literally their job description), but them being placed there is much rarer. 
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Boiled Water posted:is it? if the corporate thread is to be believed management never falls but watch each other’s back Obviously cronyism exists, especially at small firms, but there are plenty of other companies who are very critical of the people who are running teams, as they should be.
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I just found one of the weirdest job adsquote:Skills: this is not a bad translation, I was super faithful to the original. it's just odd this way. bonus: quote:Requirements: Symbolic Butt fucked around with this message at 08:34 on Feb 28, 2018 |
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Feb 28, 2018 08:32
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Preferred: - Knowledge of computer
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Symbolic Butt posted:I just found one of the weirdest job ads This sounds like the recruiter overheard a planning meeting and typed his notes into the the req
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Recruiting is really hard, I always feel really bad after an interview if I don't think we did it quite right.
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Boiled Water posted:is it? if the corporate thread is to be believed management never falls but watch each other’s back most of the people posting in those threads (or really any thread about tech jobs on these lovely forums) aren't management and, as such, see management as the enemy or at the very least a group of idiots who have no idea what they're doing they'd quickly change their tune if they ever had to actually manage anything or anyone besides themselves
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Blinkz0rz posted:most of the people posting in those threads (or really any thread about tech jobs on these lovely forums) aren't management and, as such, see management as the enemy or at the very least a group of idiots who have no idea what they're doing Yo
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