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There are jobs actively making the world a worst place, rather than just being as crappy as the rest of them though.
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Pendragon posted:on the other end I was part of a company whose software was basically fintech but the people were awesome and the problems were interesting. I'm on my third financial job and it's weird because the people overall are the nicest most decent folks compared to the first part of my career spent in tech and startups. I've also had a couple bad jobs at financial companies but in my experience it's easier to find a product team that isn't made up of assholes and wannabe machiavellis plus the product cycles are completely different because at any time a change in regulations can eat up half a year. some of our customers are the worst people in the whole world but no ethical consumption under capitalism and all that I've mostly worked on internal tools and commercial banking/accounting, I think consumer facing stuff is worse
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Aug 12, 2020 18:44
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Finance might be OK if you stay the gently caress away from traders. I didn't and boy howdy was that miserable.
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Aug 12, 2020 18:49
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ultrafilter posted:Finance might be OK if you stay the gently caress away from traders. I didn't and boy howdy was that miserable. yeah my first job at the big bank was doing a fx application, traders are insane. there was a product team between me and them but I saw some poo poo, my favorite was probably the $500 per person ncaa bracket
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Aug 12, 2020 18:51
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ultrafilter posted:Finance might be OK if you stay the gently caress away from traders. I didn't and boy howdy was that miserable. can not quote this enough
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Aug 12, 2020 20:17
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you want your customer to have or be a bureaucracy real bad bureaucracies shrug at spending 6, 7 figs on sofware and will pay 8, 9, 10 if they have to, and their turbofuck insanity is usually directed inwards, unlike individuals
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Aug 12, 2020 20:19
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bob dobbs is dead posted:you want your customer to have or be a bureaucracy real bad aint this the truth my boss is sitting on top of a pile of approximately 2 billion local currency but can only ever buy consultants with it noise dividers can't be requisitioned as they're too expensive
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Aug 12, 2020 20:55
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got a video interview coming up for an "technical architect" position at the company that makes the software i use daily at current job. first recruiter i talked to made it seem p awesome, but the first contact with the company made it seem a lot more devops-y and server janitoring than anything else, and also the pay was lower than i would expect for the position. gonna get some interview practice in if nothing else
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Aug 13, 2020 21:16
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local customer company tech interview went so well that they basically told me at the end of it that the biggest hurdle to hiring me was going to be HR. at this point I do have a concern that they won't be able to make me an offer good enough to switch but on the other hand the hiring director is very aware of what we're paid and what the market for our skills looks like. the first time we spoke he mentioned that fighting hr was going to be difficult but he was going to handle it. neat. let's see what they come back with
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Aug 13, 2020 23:07
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why would they need to "fight" HR, do you have a felony or something that sounds like an excuse to come back with a super sad salary offer
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Aug 13, 2020 23:40
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yeah agreed. he's trying to lower your expectations and make you think the offer is better than it is. there is no good reason for an interviewer to tell that to a candidate
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Aug 13, 2020 23:53
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yup it's about salary. the reason the talk came up in the first place was because they had one of those bullshit forms that wouldn't let me submit my resume unless i put in a salary expectation. since i know the market, the company, and the team that's hiring i knew the exact number i could enter in without being outright rejected. the hiring manager had to go to HR and request my resume because they initially tried to bin it. during our first conversation he brought that up and said that he thought it was bullshit that they forced us to do that. i said yes, it is bullshit, but that's the number they'd have to offer right now for me to go in blind and blah blah blah which he said he understood and followed by saying he knew i'd be expensive and that if they used their typical salary bands it wouldn't work out at all. he assured me he'd be working the system to give me something like a custom title or whatever to ensure their offer is reasonable. keep in mind i've had drinks with these guys during sales engagements and have talked shop with them numerous times. so yeah they're going to have to "bring down" my initial number but that was also meant to be the opening to the negotiation. i would have been shocked if they'd bitten without any pushback this is one of those cases where it was in my advantage to name a number first. they absolutely would have anchored low if i'd let them open the negotiation
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Aug 14, 2020 00:52
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if they 'talk me down' 10% off my opening offer i'll still be making more than i am now. 20% and i'm at my current salary to work a job that's so much less stressful i'd still probably take it
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Aug 14, 2020 00:57
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PIZZA.BAT posted:if they 'talk me down' 10% off my opening offer i'll still be making more than i am now. 20% and i'm at my current salary to work a job that's so much less stressful i'd still probably take it I hope they don’t know your username lol
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Aug 14, 2020 01:07
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lol if the hiring manager is one the 75 people browsing yospos then whatever i knew the risks also quite the assumption that those percentages are accurate
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Aug 14, 2020 01:17
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if i am remembering your salary right, the salary you are asking is entry level in the goog for university hires w/ 1 deec internship, and the salary is like 60-80% of the total comp lol figgielands
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Aug 14, 2020 03:21
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yeah once you hit FANG comp skyrockets. also you'd have to be in silicon valley
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Aug 14, 2020 03:26
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Qualifications 1+ years of professional experience building software Must be able to work in the U.S. without sponsorship We're not interested in a checklist of experiences, but here is a list of things we use: .NET, C#, Flutter, Dart, SQL Server, Redis, Hangfire, Azure, IdentityServer, Sass, and probably a few more things. Bottom line: you need to be stellar. If you are grouchy, too political, or don’t admit mistakes, you will hate it here.
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Aug 14, 2020 04:37
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Too political means "if you aren't a chud" right
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Aug 14, 2020 06:09
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85% of that, 10% of are a libertarian, 5% of "inexorable progress of history" liberal.
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Aug 14, 2020 06:42
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MononcQc posted:There are jobs actively making the world a worst place, rather than just being as crappy as the rest of them though. yeah. for EEs and computer engineers a lot of the jobs out there are government contractors specifically designing a missile for exploding poor countries. i am sure I have worked on computers that made it into a missile guidance system or something equally terrible, but at least I am not designing the actual weapons for BAE or Lockheed or whatever.
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Aug 14, 2020 06:48
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EIDE Van Hagar posted:yeah. for EEs and computer engineers a lot of the jobs out there are government contractors specifically designing a missile for exploding poor countries. i had an engineering professor who used to fondly say that EEs and MEs design missiles, and civil eng design targets all his examples were about the force on a missile steering fin, or a feedback loop for positioning of same (i had him for both statics and an early electrical course) some people are really enthusiastic about it i guess
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Aug 14, 2020 07:30
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EIDE Van Hagar posted:yeah. for EEs and computer engineers a lot of the jobs out there are government contractors specifically designing a missile for exploding poor countries. yeah i decided back in college that i wouldn't work on a weapons system or similar unless it was literally the only option available to me to live. one of the reasons i transitioned from ee to programmer i'm sure some of my work has been used to help do terrible poo poo by someone but at least network monitoring systems don't usually kill or injure anyone directly
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Aug 14, 2020 15:09
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i should bump the ethics thread, but for me it was bad enough that i took on a bit of work for an adtech company earlier this year. i lost all enthusiasm (from being in a pretty happy place prior to that) for my work from that brief encounter.
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Raluek posted:i had an engineering professor who used to fondly say that EEs and MEs design missiles, and civil eng design targets I think that's just part of the 'culture' one of my best friends has a degree in ME and would say that quite often. I loved pointing out that as he was designing turbines for hydroelectric dams that they're pretty much as big of a target as you could get...
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barkbell posted:Qualifications
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Aug 15, 2020 00:24
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every day before 4pm i open palm slam a smoke bomb and ninja vanish out of the office
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Aug 15, 2020 01:28
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Gazpacho posted:the only thing i find objectionable in this is the stellar rockstar ninja requirement. i doubt that the employer means any of it though the last line was the thing I found silly
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Aug 15, 2020 03:48
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I just found out that my codility skills are incredibly rusty. 
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Aug 15, 2020 11:51
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who tf uses dart
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Aug 15, 2020 15:08
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Blinkz0rz posted:who tf uses dart
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Aug 15, 2020 15:14
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Blinkz0rz posted:who tf uses dart Uhh certainly not me.
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Blinkz0rz posted:who tf uses dart barkbell posted:Flutter Flutter is only major tech that uses dart (probably, too lazy to look up others)
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so who tf uses flutter
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Aug 16, 2020 00:07
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barkbell posted:the last line was the thing I found silly I find it weird that anyone puts stuff like that on a job ad, it comes out as not very specific but also perhaps stinking of paranoia of the guy the job is replacing. Either way it makes you look like a bunch of amateurs who cannot separate insecurities from work.
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Xarn posted:I just found out that my codility skills are incredibly rusty. nevermind, the provided tasks were piss easy
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Aug 17, 2020 12:35
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trip report that architect interviews are a lot different than dev interviews. and yeah i aint ready to move towards the devops side of things yet, i just want to write some dang code.
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Aug 17, 2020 20:45
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Shaman Linavi posted:trip report that architect interviews are a lot different than dev interviews. and yeah i aint ready to move towards the devops side of things yet, i just want to write some dang code. what was the arch interview like?
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The worst part about the "devops" title, is that the people hiring for "devops" don't actually understand what it is. It's slowly coming around that it's understood that it's a mentality and not some super strict technology adherence, but you'll still see people think "Oh you never worked with X, so you aren't the right fit" when "X" is literally something like "using dart inside of this specific tool". Then you also get the roles that really want a developer that understands what's needed from the operational side. I'm still mad at how long I sat in an interview where I was asked to write an API with tests, the TF/Ansible for deploying the entire CICD pipeline and deploy the code into the pipeline. I got fed up after I mentioned "I really would do this, but since this is an interview I'm doing this" and the person said "do it how you normally would" and literally didn't comprehend that something of the nature would require like multiple sprints worth of work in my head.
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Bored Online posted:what was the arch interview like? at least for this place it was more management/business interview then anything i've done for sdev positions. not even like, system design stuff. just how to spin up vms and whatnot on azure (which i dont know much about lol). from what i gathered, a lot of communicating with customers and troubleshooting their environments. idk i guess maybe i dont know what a "architect" position even is?
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