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mila kunis posted:i've never interviewed at a faang before and everything i've read about the whiteboarding stuff seems dreadful I'm in the offer stage with Microsoft and am wrapping up the interview process with other FAANGs. A month and a half ago I had never interviewed or even applied to a FAANG. I felt like I bombed a few different whiteboard sessions with Microsoft because I ran out of time and didn't have a complete solution. Every round though they got back to me within an hour to move forward to the next step, and I ended up getting an offer a few days ago. Some problems are going to be harder than others and you may not finish but it's really not that bad. Worst case is you stumble through a problem and don't really get anywhere but it's over after an hour. Even if you bomb the interview no one will remember or care unless you do something particularly memorable or extreme. Sucking at whiteboard problems doesn't qualify. I've been on the interviewer side of the table plenty of times at my current job and I can't remember any candidate being particularly terrible, even though I know it's happened.
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i remember the guy who didn’t believe that recursion was real. not didn’t think of it, not bad at it, not couldn’t analyze it. refused to believe that a function calling itself could ever possibly work. 20 years of experience.
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Aug 27, 2020 14:19
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In my experience most interviewers just want you to be able to demonstrate how your problem solving abilities and hopefully solve a problem. Granted I have had a few interviewers with very smug attitudes about how I didn't use whatever clever solution they would have used. You should take some time to practice, and go over some algorithms again. There is pretty much no downside in trying, having a FAANG on your resume basically sets you up for the rest of your career (at least imo).
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Aug 27, 2020 14:21
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when was that??
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Aug 27, 2020 14:21
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The whiteboarding experience in my virtual Amazon interview wasnt as bad as a lot of the stories I've seen posted here. Since it was virtual I got to at least use a shared text editor but no compiler. I absolutely whiffed an optimization to O(1) on one problem but still got an offer. It definitely felt like they cared more about thought process and whatnot. They have a really rigid interview structure and AFAIK the recruiter should lay it all out before the interview. I ended up grinding leetcode mediums on the evenings for a week, prepped a bunch of "tell me about a time when X" stories, and didnt feel caught off guard by anything by the time it rolled around. Much less painful than having a take home hackathon type project. This was for SDE so if you are going for something else ymmv I guess.
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Aug 27, 2020 14:36
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raminasi posted:i remember the guy who didn’t believe that recursion was real. not didn’t think of it, not bad at it, not couldn’t analyze it. refused to believe that a function calling itself could ever possibly work. 20 years of experience. A colleague of mine interviewed a guy who, when asked about the complexity of a piece of code, stated that it was complicated because it had a lot of loops.
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Aug 27, 2020 14:49
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ultrafilter posted:A colleague of mine interviewed a guy who, when asked about the complexity of a piece of code, stated that it was complicated because it had a lot of loops. no need to remember gentoo compiler flags if the loops are already unrolled
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Aug 27, 2020 14:50
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so far all of my experiences with faang interviews have been extremely negative. back when i had my internship in silicon valley the whole scene was still extremely pretentious regarding whether or not you came from a pedigree school and i could sense people's demeanor towards me immediately shifting when they found out i was from a lowly state school. ever since any time i've interviewed i've always eventually talked to someone who i could tell wasn't even pretending to pay attention and the next day would get my rejection. gently caress them
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Aug 27, 2020 14:54
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AnimeIsTrash posted:In my experience most interviewers just want you to be able to demonstrate how your problem solving abilities and hopefully solve a problem. Granted I have had a few interviewers with very smug attitudes about how I didn't use whatever clever solution they would have used. Most *good* interviewers. I worked at a place where another division had a cargo-cult interview process. Write the assignment operator of a linked list in C++. If you didn't get each of the Minitue correct you were not given an offer. (take a const reference, return a reference, check that the rhs didn't already have a value before allocating memory, allocate memory, memcpy, return the reference.) That was the entirity of the 'whiteboard' section.
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Aug 27, 2020 15:50
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shithead interviewers are doing you a favor by letting you know that you don’t want to work with them
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Aug 27, 2020 16:00
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The Management posted:shithead interviewers are doing you a favor by letting you know that you don’t want to work with them this is less heartening at big companies where the people interviewing you aren’t the people you’ll be working with. looking at you, sitting-silently-with-crossed-arms-for-45-minutes google guy.
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Aug 27, 2020 16:07
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raminasi posted:this is less heartening at big companies where the people interviewing you aren’t the people you’ll be working with. looking at you, sitting-silently-with-crossed-arms-for-45-minutes google guy. google’s interview and hiring process is entirely hosed up. having people that you will never see again interview you is a recipe for the shittiest of interviews, and it doesn’t let you meet your future colleagues. part of interviewing is for you to decide if you want to join them.
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Aug 27, 2020 16:17
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The Management posted:shithead interviewers are doing you a favor by letting you know that you don’t want to work with them Yep I've talked on various threads how embarrassed I am now to have been part of those loops and didn't stand up saying, "What are we actually looking for here?!"
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Aug 27, 2020 16:21
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The Management posted:part of interviewing is for you to decide if you want to join them. "Feature not bug" (as the kids say these days). They're telegraphing their belief that there is no question which you may legitimately raise regarding this. I mean: they're right, but not for the reason they think they are?
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Aug 27, 2020 16:21
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The Management posted:shithead interviewers are doing you a favor by letting you know that you don’t want to work with them They really are. I applied for an internal position in my company in a different department since our department was going to get downsized. They asked me to come in for a chat, which I figured would be an informal interview. Turns out it was a full on FAANG style interview with the kicker that instead of whiteboarding problems, I code live in vim.
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Aug 27, 2020 16:22
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the best was the coding interview where on the first question i started talking things through / showing my thought process and asked the interview if i understood the question correctly. silence. i go okaaaaay and start working on the assumption that i was understanding it correctly. about ten minutes later- the whole time i'm talking through what i'm doing and why- i say that i'm about finished. silence. i say i'm done again but a bit louder. i hear the guy stop typing and immediately starts berating me for misunderstanding the question and that i should have prepared better. gently caress 100% off
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Aug 27, 2020 16:30
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PIZZA.BAT posted:the best was the coding interview where on the first question i started talking things through / showing my thought process and asked the interview if i understood the question correctly. silence. i go okaaaaay and start working on the assumption that i was understanding it correctly. about ten minutes later- the whole time i'm talking through what i'm doing and why- i say that i'm about finished. silence. i say i'm done again but a bit louder. i hear the guy stop typing and immediately starts berating me for misunderstanding the question and that i should have prepared better. gently caress 100% off wow what the fucc
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Aug 27, 2020 17:04
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what design patterns are you familiar with? ok tell me about singleton
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Aug 27, 2020 18:41
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i interviewed at Google and also encountered an interviewer who didn't give a gently caress. the rest of the loop seemed to go fine but one guy didn't even pretend to pay attention. barely any answers to my questions and hosed around on his phone a bunch. then they rejected me. they asked me to come in for another interview later but I had already found a better job and wasnt gonna spend another entire day at their campus for that experience
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Aug 27, 2020 18:55
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PokeJoe posted:i interviewed at Google and also encountered an interviewer who didn't give a gently caress. the rest of the loop seemed to go fine but one guy didn't even pretend to pay attention. barely any answers to my questions and hosed around on his phone a bunch. then they rejected me. they asked me to come in for another interview later but I had already found a better job and wasnt gonna spend another entire day at their campus for that experience did you tell them why you didnt go back or is that bridge burning
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Aug 27, 2020 19:20
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it seems to be a thing at bay area staffing agencies to lead from design patterns into a discussion of how to implement a singleton in java. if you talk about a direct implementation with lazy init and static locking and so forth, you're an idiot because that can be hacked through reflection and breaks under serialization. annotating a class as a singleton with a common framework is also unacceptable. the right answer (there is one right answer) is to declare a singleton enum, which apparently prevents people from smashing their thumbs with it i'm open to the possibility that reflection hacking and serialization are practical concerns but since i've never seen anyone bring them up outside a staffing agency, i lean toward the view that it's a ceremonial question and maybe something more sinister
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Aug 27, 2020 19:26
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ultrafilter posted:A colleague of mine interviewed a guy who, when asked about the complexity of a piece of code, stated that it was complicated because it had a lot of loops. Seems to be misunderstanding cyclomatic complexity
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Aug 27, 2020 19:27
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no, it wasn't like a follow up interview but more of a "we're hiring again and you got pretty far in the interview last time, want to try again." i just told them i had accepted a job recently and wasn't interested in looking elsewhere at this point. i don't think it would be bridge burning to tell them why but also i don't really care if they improve their interview process
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Aug 27, 2020 19:32
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PIZZA.BAT posted:so far all of my experiences with faang interviews have been extremely negative. back when i had my internship in silicon valley the whole scene was still extremely pretentious regarding whether or not you came from a pedigree school and i could sense people's demeanor towards me immediately shifting when they found out i was from a lowly state school. ever since any time i've interviewed i've always eventually talked to someone who i could tell wasn't even pretending to pay attention and the next day would get my rejection. gently caress them my first two interviews with google [main goog and youtube] were like this, love getting belittled for not going to grad school by someone who's been doing my job for one sixth the time still don't understand why you'd ever ask someone with a full decade of relevant experience about college courses
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Aug 27, 2020 19:34
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i once gave an interview to a guy who called me a chink in that interview this is my greatest "interviewees are dipshits" story and it probably wont ever be topped
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Aug 27, 2020 19:41
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Achmed Jones posted:my interview at Amazon was a really good experience counterpoint: my interview at Amazon was a bad experience
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Aug 27, 2020 19:55
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bob dobbs is dead posted:i once gave an interview to a guy who called me a chink in that interview goddamn
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Aug 27, 2020 20:46
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it was pretty out of the blue too pretty easy to reason out why that guy was unemployed
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Aug 27, 2020 20:48
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qirex posted:my first two interviews with google [main goog and youtube] were like this, love getting belittled for not going to grad school by someone who's been doing my job for one sixth the time it's because they needed something in order to feel superior to you, op
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Aug 27, 2020 21:09
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"I see you've designed multiple products I use on a regular basis, let's talk about this cognitive processes class you took in 1997"
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Aug 27, 2020 21:46
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Gazpacho posted:it seems to be a thing at bay area staffing agencies to lead from design patterns into a discussion of how to implement a singleton in java. if you talk about a direct implementation with lazy init and static locking and so forth, you're an idiot because that can be hacked through reflection and breaks under serialization. annotating a class as a singleton with a common framework is also unacceptable. the right answer (there is one right answer) is to declare a singleton enum, which apparently prevents people from smashing their thumbs with it
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Aug 27, 2020 22:07
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yep i know. singletons within the JDK too. makes you wonder how anyone ever knows the "right" answer, doesn't it?
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Aug 27, 2020 22:10
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the correct answer is "please try not to use singletons, and if you must just go with the one everyone does"
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Aug 27, 2020 22:15
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A coworker a few jobs ago read that one article everybody did that said volatile+synchronized in Java wasn't enough to prevent double-initialization of your precious singletons and started adding extra checks and double-locks and stuff all over. I was then excited to remove all of that poo poo, because the problem with volatile hadn't been a thing since Java 1.6, but none of the articles whining about it had been updated since before 1.6 came out. Thankfully, we didn't have to have an argument about it that ended with me saying, "I don't care if it gets initialized ten times as long as I don't have to see this dumb pattern everywhere!" because it was, of course, working properly already.
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Aug 27, 2020 22:40
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more like simpleton pattern
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Aug 27, 2020 23:45
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there was that one interviewer for a major bank who believed that essential java development knowledge included (1) the rename hotkey in idea (2) that java uses type boxing to distinguish mathematical + from string concatenation + (nb: it does not)
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Aug 27, 2020 23:49
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Huge Bank Clan - Mystery of Type Boxing
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Aug 27, 2020 23:53
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Share Bear posted:Huge Bank Clan - Mystery of Type Boxing
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Aug 27, 2020 23:56
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PokeJoe posted:no, it wasn't like a follow up interview but more of a "we're hiring again and you got pretty far in the interview last time, want to try again." i just told them i had accepted a job recently and wasn't interested in looking elsewhere at this point. i don't think it would be bridge burning to tell them why but also i don't really care if they improve their interview process in case anyone is unaware, google knows that their process is awful so basically lets you reapply indefinitely
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Countered again, had a conversation with the hiring manager and got them to move more on the RSUs and signing bonus. I'm going to accept tomorrow! 
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